Scottish Independance Referendum

[Huwcymru]

When I was living away from home temporarily I made sure I had a postal vote. When I left home I registered as a voter in the new areas I lived in and lost my original home vote. Surely this is the situation for people who have once lived in Scotland ( whether Scottish or any other nationality).

With regard to votes for ex pats - can they? They still get pensions and still retain citizenship so suspect they might also be able to vote. For example my friend who had a vote in the Bridgend constituency and now lives in Altea Spain, May still have a postal vote in Bridgend.

I'm sure Mr Google would give you an answer.

[Martin.S]

If the vote goes to the YES camp will Scots have to apply for a work visa to work in England, bearing in mind that they have said that ALL Scots regardless of where they live will automatically become Scottish citizens.  I wonder if the Civil Service will start paying my wife in Groats coz it don't look like you will get the pound.

[Ootohere]

Do the Irish from the Republic need a Visa to work in the UK, they are the biggest Migrant population in the UK i beleive.

(them being EU Citizens makes all difference,

'If Scotland does not get in the EU if it was Independent'. then just imagine, outcasts.)

[KenONeill]

Do the Irish from the Republic need a Visa to work in the UK, they are the biggest Migrant population in the UK i beleive.

(them being EU Citizens makes all difference,

'If Scotland does not get in the EU if it was Independent'. then just imagine, outcasts.)

No, and the EU has nothing to do with that.

[Ootohere]

Sorry but the reason that Irish can work freely in the UK & were from the start (1973) is because Ireland is in the EEC/EU and free movement.

 

Northern Irish are British, so no issue there.

[cheezemonkhai]

No, and the EU has nothing to do with that.

Right to free movement in the eu along with other agreements that are in place though?

[KenONeill]

Sorry but the reason that Irish can work freely in the UK & were from the start (1973) is because Ireland is in the EEC/EU and free movement.

 

Northern Irish are British, so no issue there.

 

 

Right to free movement in the eu along with other agreements that are in place though?

Guys, the Irish had the right to work in the UK without the need for visas, work permits or whatever before the UK joined the then EEC. 

[preston334]

Guys, the Irish had the right to work in the UK without the need for visas, work permits or whatever before the UK joined the then EEC.

comes under the common travel area which dates back to 1923. I thought George would have known that

http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2013/dec/people-rest-uk-back-currency-and-travel-area

[Ootohere]

George does know that.

 

But there are those that seem to think that Residents of an Independent Scotland which would be after 2016 would need Scotland to be in the EU to be allowed to work in England or Wales or Northern Ireland without a Visa, is the subject,

1973 coming after 1923 does seem rather relevat in how things are with Common Borders

It goes further than just the British Isles now.

 

Those working towards an Independent Scotland want to be in the EU, Scotland is now in the EU.

 

It is many in the UK that wants to leave the EU, and it will probably never happen.

 

But it could be strange that Scotland might be in the EU and England Wales & Nothern Ireland is out.

[brownfox]

I thought that if Scotland break away from the union they become a separate country the treaties clearly state any region or province seceding from a member state also seceded from the union to resume membership requires a complete new application as a joining state. salmon says not a problem, oh yes there is Spain has announced it will blackball any application,because of its ramifications with Catalonia, so Spain want to make an example with Scotland by fighting tooth and nail to prevent entry. So no £ no € no currency how does that work? I don't care if they stay or go but to trust a politician like salmon without all the facts is really taking a step into the unknown.

[moley]

So no £ no € no currency how does that work? I don't care if they stay or go but to trust a politician like salmon without all the facts is really taking a step into the unknown.

Salmond knows he's on a winner.

If the referendum votes no he will blame Westminster for there scare tactics and all the barriers they throw up.

If the referendum votes yes and a couple years down the line things aren't quite as rosy as he said they would, he will blame Westminster.

 

What I still don't understand is that as a Scotsman he doesn't like being governed from London (I can understand that), but he wants to remain in the EU and be governed from Brussels.

Is that really giving the Scottish people independence?

[gadgetman]

Salmond knows he's on a winner.

If the referendum votes no he will blame Westminster for there scare tactics and all the barriers they throw up.

If the referendum votes yes and a couple years down the line things aren't quite as rosy as he said they would, he will blame Westminster.

What I still don't understand is that as a Scotsman he doesn't like being governed from London (I can understand that), but he wants to remain in the EU and be governed from Brussels.

Is that really giving the Scottish people independence?

If it's a no he'll be toast

[domhnall]

If it's a no he'll be toast

he's mid way through a second term in government with approval ratings way ahead of the other parties, close to the total of the other parties combined. Scots are well used to voting different ways in different elections.

Solid SNP majority govt in a PR system, solid labour vote under FPTP. The SNP is the fastest growing political party in the UK, close to the number of members the UK wide lib dems have. They're not going to evaporate if there's a no vote.

PS the gap is down to 3 per cent in the poll out today.

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[gadgetman]

It was more he'll get the blame within the SNP and that could trigger a power struggle to replace him as leader.

All the popularity returning a no vote questions will surely be asked. I can see Nicola Sturgeon being keen to take charge

If it's yes, it'll be easy to fend off anyone looking to topple him.

[domhnall]

If it's a yes they will split left and right.

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[Ootohere]

You would think people know how Alex Salmonds mind works or what political ambitions he has beyond the next 3 years

The man needs to chill and have some time to him self before it takes a toll on him..

 

A life time aiming for what might be coming.

He is not a bad man, as a politician he is a brilliant man.   & a nice person.

 

Really who gives a monkeys in Scotland what those without a vote think from stuff they often read from others without a vote or even a clue what Scotland or Scottish or those with a Vote on the Future of Scotland think.

 

I only know anyone that says 'No' to Independence, but then those are often people that loath the SNP.

I do not know that many people though.

[BJM]

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Really who gives a monkeys outside Scotland what those with a vote think 

 

 

 

Corrected for you.

[Ootohere]

Seems to be plenty putting in opinions, often very poorly informed opinions.

 

Time the non Voters outwith Scotland lobbied your Politicians if you object to what they will be agreeing too just shortly,

If they do care.

 

They will 'Assume the Position',  like they always do.

just as soon as they need to for the best solution for their own pockets. The usual Greed will rule.

[domhnall]

whether or not you like any of the politicians engaging in this debate (or indeed whether you can't be bothered with Scotland), we should take heed of what eminent economists tell us

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7LnPL96D72M

[Ootohere]

We have oor loon, The Coc-k O' the North' in Portlethen.

Doing what he does well, speaking Oil Wells.

 

Hold the meeting in a nice humble & simple church near the coast.

Now that is a good move.

 

&

then just a bit further North the 'Cocks are in the North' gathered for the second time in 90 years.

Visiting the place that has kept them spend spend spending since 1976.

Maybe there to kiss the Golden Goose goodbye.

 

David Cameron might like to check the price of Hotel Rooms in Aberdeen that those oil Workers need to pay if they need a bed in Aberdeen before their Flight if they have an Early Check in, & have to travel many miles before that Mobilisation.

Not that that worries the likes of him much,

when does he pay for Travel or Accommodation from his own Pocket.?

 

He could always just go visit his Later Fathers Estate, just 40 miles away.

I bet they love the Camerons up there.

 

He mentions his Scottish name, his Scottish Heritage, & the West Coast of Scotland,

But that is where he holidays, chillaxing at his wifes Step Fathers Family the Astors, estate on Jura.

he never says much about the North East of Scotland though,

which seems strange really, when that is where his family were, after making their money, and continuing to.

 

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blairmore_School

[domhnall]

George you truly are an enigma. Spouting favourable messages about the FM, barely concealed contempt for the PM and yet an avowed defender of the PM's right to impose his policies on a country where his party is at best a fringe group.

 

Baffling. Truly baffling.

[Ootohere]

Baffling to me, and i bet to many others.

 

We have a man as honest as the day is long , but backed by some real dodgy people

& then another that must be

Tony Blairs Brother from another Mother.

You know he lies because his lips are moving.

 

Which way will it go,

the Torry Feeding his friends pockets or the Honest Socialists with friends ready to fill their own pockets.

'Fight', as Harry Hill might say.

[domhnall]

But regardless of the personalities, your standpoint is that you support the notion that the power to determine who giverns ought to lie outwith Scotland. That's the bit I find baffling. I can understand tory fans supporting that because they know that never in a month of sundays would they win an election without middle England, but your stance appears to me to be entirely self contradictory.

 

Maybe it's just that you know your place, you don't especially like it but you're content to know your place in the order of things and just accept it.

[Ootohere]

I am a Scotland still in the British Isles type of person,

which it will be, but Scotland not Governed by Westminster.

So Devo Max Really.

No need for the messing about and full seperation, but as it goes it looks like there is no other way.

The English are burning the bridges and boats and cutting off their nose to spite there face.

Own Income by percentage of poulation & own spending to go with its own laws.

After all many of those born in Scotland are unlikely to be giving up their British Nationality.

It is a muddle and fuddles and turning into a fiddle.

One thing is David Cameron MP has really messed up if he did want Better Together to win.

I can only see he is here confirnming the Torries are in Torry not for Rowies from Aitkens.

They are making sure of a Yes Vote.

[domhnall]

ah I see, well the Republic of Ireland is still in the British Isles but they stand on their own two feet and make their own mistakes.

 

The problem with Devo Max is that it's been on the cards since the early 1900s but never gets any further than that does it. If there's a no vote it's pretty clear what wil happen and its devo less not devo more and certainly not devo max.