Took the Touran out for supplies today and noticed everytime I pulled away from stationary, there was a definite judder. Traced it to when it changed from 1st to 2nd.

Tried sport mode, and whilst there was no judder I did notice that the dash display was flickering between 1 & 2 very quickly for a brief second before carrying on up the gears as normal.

Haven't heard anything from vw about the dsg oil recall yet. Does this mean a mechatronics fault?

Hi, what model year are we talking about here?

My13

You've experienced the 7 speed dsg "judder". Basically feels like clutch slippage after the clutches have heated up from normal driving. Usually exhibits itself in gear 2 in D mode.

I think it is due to the shift points of D mode when accelerating from slow corners or slow speeds in gear 2. You won't experience it in sport mode or manual mode because the car does not allow you to pull away in gear 2 in those modes but rather forces you to be in gear 1 till about 1800rpm at about 20 kph. D mode can go into gear 2 pretty much from 1200 rpm in gear 1 and about 5-10 kph.

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Well this isnt normal, and indicates the clutch is goosed.  Luckily ours is covered by warranty.  They've ordered a new DSG box.

Glad you got it changed easily. Was it juddering all the time in gear 2?

Thank christ that was a warranty job. 

It's the expense of putting it right outside of warranty

that puts me off of ever buying a DSG car.  

Just had mine replaced for exactly the same, dealer said clutch pack was reasonably priced just many hours labour shimming it all in !

In the end it was just a clutch pack. Cured juddering in 1>2 and reverse.

II'm just curious what would have caused it. Holding it in D waiting at lights?

Something I can now feel is a distinct click /position when stopped and the brake pressed. If you press a little more it feels like something disengages and the revs drop. Never felt this before.

It's also had a software update, which along with them pulling the battery has changed the gear changes to something more sensible. Holds much longer in 5th for overtakes.

Could the noise being heard with the Brake Pedal being pressed be 'Hill Hold Control' engaging/functioning?

From what I understand of the 7 speed DSG when you are stopped in D and your foot on the brake it disengages the clutch.

 

Then as you start to lift off it will start to engage the clutch.

 

So it is possible that only lightly holding the brake the car is engaging the clutch slightly.

 

This all differs from the 6 speed in that the clutch is never fully disengaged when in gear and is always slipping. It gets away with it because the clutches are lubricated unlike the dry clutches in the 7 speed.

 

Phil

In the end it was just a clutch pack. Cured juddering in 1>2 and reverse.

II'm just curious what would have caused it. Holding it in D waiting at lights?

Something I can now feel is a distinct click /position when stopped and the brake pressed. If you press a little more it feels like something disengages and the revs drop. Never felt this before.

It's also had a software update, which along with them pulling the battery has changed the gear changes to something more sensible. Holds much longer in 5th for overtakes.

I've been trying to find out what causes the juddering for a while now. It's intermittent in mine so hard to replicate for the dealer.

I have heard different explanations from improper wear on the clutches (improper but only affecting clutch K2) to bad driving habits to inherent design flaw to clutch lining bedding in. Haven't found a reason that holds up to scrutiny though. VW hasn't even released revised clutch packs in three years so they don't seem to have any real issues.

I've only just noticed this in our mk2 fabia vrs and it's only just run out of warranty,sounds like the perfrect excuse to try get rid of it sooner rather than later.

Rawcpoppa, I don't get how it could be bad driving when it's the car doing the changes?

Rawcpoppa, I don't get how it could be bad driving when it's the car doing the changes?

I don't believe this excuse put forward by others. They are basically saying it's down to driving aggressively. For example wot over short distances say for example in traffic or between road humps etc.

http://touran.me/media/2013/03/DQ200issue_en.pdf

Thanks George, but still none the wiser as to which 7 speed box I have.

But good to read the exact same problems are common. The car is again skipping 1st gear, and although not juddering, you can feel it doesn't know whether to stay in 1st or go to 2nd.

So I can see another clutch pack being needed in 18k

Thanks George, but still none the wiser as to which 7 speed box I have.

 

Hi!

 

As far as I understand from reading tons of material on the internet it looks like there is, from a problem point of view, one 7 speed DQ200. Of course you will find different factory revisions, as every minor change being made through the years will generate a new internal revision number, but that is not important since they all seem to be affected by the same issues. What makes them different in the different car models are really the different settings being programmed into the controlling unit which is optimized for each of the engine combinations. The unit measuring torque being used at each and every moment may be different as well but that doesn't really make the gearbox and clutch different, have not seen any different part numbers for clutch packs depending on the engine.

 

From late 2012 a revised clutch pack, with a new part number, is used which VW say has a harder lining material and that is also being said to leave less burnt in residue on the flywheel which VW claim is the main reason for the 1st-2nd juddering. When the new clutch pack is installed a new software version is also needed to compensate for the harder linings.

 

All DQ200 gearboxes seem to have been filled with synthetic oil until the end of July 2011 and in the range October 2012 - April 2013 and these gearboxes are now handled within the campaigns 35C1, 34F6 and 34F4 depending of VW brand to have the synthetic oil replaced by a mineral version.

 

Please don't consider all of this facts but that is how I have understood it ... ;-)

For the UK climate they appear to say that the Synthetic Oil in them is OK, and no need for a recall here.

 

Down to owners of DSG with problems to raise the matter with Skoda UK or Skoda, 

and get written answers from them,

obviously you might take your car anyplace in the world, so you could ask them to carry out the work on your car while still in the UK or EU, that they are doing in other World Regions.

They can hardly Refuse.

 

They (VW-SKODA-AUDI-SEAT) like Customers treated like Mushrooms.

'Kept in the dark and shovelled with sharn'.

 

VORSPRUNG DURCH TECHNIK

For the UK climate they appear to say that the Synthetic Oil in them is OK, and no need for a recall here.

 

Hmm, that seem strange to me but then again, a company policy is a company policy ... but our  weather is not that different, at least down here in the southern parts of Sweden. And here the campaigns have started ...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/vw-uk-no-dsg-recall-required

Just because VW say no Recall, that does not let them away with having to provide safe vehicles in the UK,

so the Owner needs to stand up for their legal rights.

VW-Skoda-Audi-Seat in the UK like to just, 'Update at service', rather than admit faults.

 

No recall on many of the 1.4 TSI Twinchargers, but VW/Skoda are now replacing faulty engines at their expense,

even on cars now out of the original 3 year manufacturers Warranty.

A UK Court ruling against VW might have them treating UK Customers a bit better.

Hi again! Well, that is true for Sweden as well, it is done during normal service or if a customer book their car for any other job in the shop ...

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Where I'm from the humidity is 90+ % and temps are on average 34 deg C daily. On an island.

No recall though. I wonder what VW considers hot and humid climate with stop start traffic conditions.

Another Mk2 Fabia vRS owner is today reporting problems with a DQ200 DSG.

There was 1 last week as well.

 

But there are quite a few that have required new Clutch Packs & some needed Complete new gearboxes in the past 4 years.

There are only 2,600 odd of these cars registered in the UK.

 

But then the 3 VAG sister cars also have a fair few that have had the issues,

Well jerky changing has returned, and the car gets confused when to change. Every other gear is a seamless change.

It's also gone back to skipping 1st altogether at times.