£649 seems a bit steep I know supply and demand for a new map is the key but really if it was £450 I would of had it.

 

Don't bother...... The members here (and I *dont* include Shark in this statement - he and I have had a very reasonable, mature conversation about this where both sides of the argument were listened to ) are fiercely defensive of sky-high remap costs in general using terms like "R&D" (despite the engine range and potential Customer base being one of the largest in the sector covering four marques and multiple models within each marque) and "VAT" as if no other company has these.

 

Coming from a Westfield / MG / Lotus remapping background where a company (ZnF tuning, run by a gentleman responsible for the original maps at Longbridge) is able to offer a mobile service remapping K-Series ECU's for 250 quid, the raise in pricing coming over to the VW-Range was an eye-opener for me.

 

To put it bluntly, it is market forces..... £649 is the price because Shark have a reputable name, and there are few alternatives out there at the moment so I dont blame them. Although I believe it to be too high in my uneducated opinion   (as it isnt even an ECU-out job), my opinion matters little.

 

I shall sit back, watch the flames come in from the angry commenters  , wait for the early adopters to bear the cost and get it later down the line (probably from Shark as they are 5 minutes down the road lol) once alternatives are available and market forces have kicked in to bring pricing pressure to bear.

 

 

P.S - Unless of course Shark wanted a full set of coloured seat belts for their car..... I would be more than happy to do a trade! 

Edited 28 August, 201411 yr by sniperpenguin

K series engine? As in 1990s technology?

I wonder how much a map for the current range of engines will be in 25 years time?

No defending Ben's pricing, but you have to compare Apples with Apples.

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I hear nothing but good things about Shark and its great the map can be done via OBD port but development costs or not £649 is expensive IMHO for a VAG remap.

Im intrigued how the encryption has been broken on these though as I gather its still not possible to map a MK2 CR TDi without busting open the ECU.

What makes this map different/better than competitors?

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if it follows the same pattern as the previous gen engines then it'll be the way it delivers out on the road, its sympathetic use of the drivetrain and their unrivalled after sales support, from experience.

Any performance figures on this too?

The best 0-60 we could manage at Bruntingthorpe was 7.1 seconds, official figures seem to range from 7.9-8.3 depending on where you read them.

The best 0-60 we could manage at Bruntingthorpe was 7.1 seconds, official figures seem to range from 7.9-8.3 depending on where you read them.

 

yeti man wrote:

if it follows the same pattern as the previous gen engines then it'll be the way it delivers out on the road, its sympathetic use of the drivetrain and their unrivalled after sales support, from experience. 

 

I have a real interest in buying this but would like to know how you reckon the mechanicals would hold up to all that extra Puff?

 

Reason I ask is that I can already hear the slight clunk of the Dual mass flywheel (DmF) taking up the slack when gently cruising around in my VRS, & I haven't broken 3500 miles yet!

 

I had a mk5 Golf GT 170Tdi remapped to 211bhp & the DmF noticeably clunked more & got worse the more I drove the car hard. It would have gotten worse without the re-map as well (but not at the same rate) as both my last two Superb's developed a clunk within 1000 miles. I dodged the expensive bullet of having to replace a failed DmF on my Golf (just) but other VAG owing mates have not been so fortunate.

 

I am a mechanical engineer & understand how a DmF works & just want to know if you noticed any increase in driveline shunt while you were developing your rather attractive engine map?

Honestly, no I haven't. Our car has approx 10k miles on it now and it is a test car.. it gets very well used we should say. On Wednesday it did probably 15-20 full throttle runs to over 130mph from standing start. I haven't noticed any driveline shunt at all or the DMF grumbling even at 500Nm torque.

K series engine? As in 1990s technology?

I wonder how much a map for the current range of engines will be in 25 years time?

No defending Ben's pricing, but you have to compare Apples with Apples.

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Absolutely fair point AndyVee - The K-Series ECU runs at about 3,000 lines of code.... the Jaguar ECU's (As the same man now adjusts the maps for JLR in the UK market) runs closer to 30,000 - They have actually had to pull back the stock maps before release since the initial ones were tearing tyres lol

 

He also offers the service on the modern Jag diesel saloons. (Two people in our MG group have had this done, as they are also Jag fans) - £450 takes you to around ~230bhp and a shedload more torque from campfire discussions, but you would need to contact him for exact figures.