Chaps.

Has anybody an experience of both the 6 and 7 speed DSG they would like to share?

Apart from one being wet and one dry clutch and one being 6 and one being 7 speed, I just wondered if anyone had any observations for or against either?

Thanks all.

The 7 is much more economical thanks to the extra gear and the dry setup.

Both drive superbly but they are not available as an option, the 7 speed comes with lower power engines and the 6 speed with the higher power units so choose your engine and the GBox is selected for you.

 

7 speed is lighter and more economical but is fitted to the lower power and more economical engines anyway so your real choice is what engine do I want in my car, not which DSG box do I want.

 

The reliability issues with the 7 speed boxes have been largely fixed with a change to the new spec oil - were mainly an issue in hotter countries rather than the UK anyway.

I have the six speed box as i have a new 2014 Octavia with the 150bhp 2.0tdi ,and i've only put about 1500 miles on it. So far so good nice and smooth and can up shift really quickly depending on your chosen driving mode plus the ability just to switch over to the tiptronic box is fantastic really helpful if you need a bit of engine braking if going down hill.

Edited 24 September, 201411 yr by Maxii

Thanks chaps.

Octavia5, does that mean the 7 speed isn't suitable for higher power engines?

Thanks chaps.

Octavia5, does that mean the 7 speed isn't suitable for higher power engines?

 

The 7 speed is only rated to 250nM torque, which is what the 1.4 TSi puts out. The higher output engines (with more torque) therefore get the older wet clutch 6 speed which has a higher rating for torque throughput.

Thanks chaps.

Octavia5, does that mean the 7 speed isn't suitable for higher power engines?

Correct. Too much torque will burn out the dry clutches.

There is a 7 speed wet box also but it's reserved for higher cost/performance VAG group vehicles.

I think the Tiguan has it, RS4/RS5 Audi's definitely do.

Correct. Too much torque will burn out the dry clutches.

Really, the 250Nm limit is software and the DSG can be remapped.

They fit the 7 in the 180 Laurel and Hardy?

I had the 6 speed DSG in my 2009 Passat CC 140 TDI, my wife currently has a 2014 Octavia 1.6 TDI with the 7 speed DSG. I found the 6 speed nowhere near as smooth as the 7 speed in the Octavia which is silky smooth. Some of the earlier 6 speed DSG's had issues with the mechatronics unit, it was pretty good but the amazing smoothness of the Octavia unit shows it up - maybe the newer 6 speed units are as smooth as the 7 speed, or maybe the extra torque take up of the 2.0 TDI makes a difference to the smoothness. Before my wife had the Octavia she had a 2014 Golf, again a 1.6 TDI DSG which was just as smooth as the Octavia unit, so in my experience the 7 speed DSG is fantastic, the 6 speed is great, not quite fantastic.  

They fit the 7 in the 180 Laurel and Hardy?

As it is bang on the limit of 250Nm

The 7spd box with the 1.4 or 1.8 TSI is a lovely combination. Don't be put off by the 250nm torque limit. The 6spd has and 380nm limit but that hasnt stopped thousands of buyers mating it with the 380nm diesel VRS. Dry boxes are the way forward but wets are currently a good price/performance compromise for higher output engines. If I was buying a 1.4 to 1.8 TSI/TDI and could choose the 6 or 7spd, I would choose the 7spd dry every day.

Cheers chaps.

Might be forced to rethink project dream vRS so just exploring options.

Go for the Laurel & Hardy - you get most of the options included and Columbus upgrade is cheaper!

 

With Sports Suspension & XDS the 1.8 DSG is a killer combo. I'm sticking with the CR150 DSG as I do about 18k a year and have found that the CR150 performs about the same as my old Shark Stage 1 PD140 did, in fact I am pretty sure it is a better combo than the PD170 or CR170 in the MkII vRS.

 

All you need is a pipe and slippers .......

Go for the Laurel & Hardy - you get most of the options included and Columbus upgrade is cheaper!

 

With Sports Suspension & XDS the 1.8 DSG is a killer combo. I'm sticking with the CR150 DSG as I do about 18k a year and have found that the CR150 performs about the same as my old Shark Stage 1 PD140 did, in fact I am pretty sure it is a better combo than the PD170 or CR170 in the MkII vRS.

 

All you need is a pipe and slippers .......

I'm old enough buddy :(

Not sure I can stretch to the LK either.

Not sure I can stretch to the LK either.

Shame

It's not all over yet but it's close.

You never know what the October offers are going to be - The L&K might be on 0% instead of 2.9% (somehow I doubt it) but you do get 3 years servicing unlike the vRS at the moment.

 

Skoda's residuals on the L&K are disappointing, not much different to an Elegance. I found when I was trying to buy a used L&K 4-5 years ago they fetched a fair chunk (2 thousand+ at 3 years old) more than an Elegance and were like hens teeth ............

Maybe but I'm not holding my breath.

Need to talk finances with the dealer but will wait until October 1st (like you say, just in case there's a stunning deal for the next quarter) otherwise you may find me posting in the Citigo section!

As it is bang on the limit of 250Nm

Its downtuned to be within the limits.

 

The same engine, 1.8TSI, in the Audi A4 is 320Nm.

In the Octavia 4x4 1.8TSI with 6 wet DSG its 280. Its probably not 320Nm as transversal mounted DSG with 4x4 is too weak to handle more.

 

Im very happy with the 1.8TSI anyway though.

So am I, so far. After 8000 km.

The 6 speed also has higher maintenance costs due to the need for a gear oil change every 40k miles.

 

DQ200 is the 7 speed dry clutch with max torque of 250nm

DQ250 is the 6 speed wet clutch with max torque of 350nm

DQ500 is the 7 speed dry clutch with max torque of 500nm (not used in any Skoda unfortunately)

 

Phil