Hi all.

Ive been searching for an Octavia vrs diesel estate and have found one on ebay.

Its very well specced and seems well priced for the spec and age etc against other cars.

It is a private sale though.

Ive done a couple of HPI checks on the car and it is showing as stolen in 2013.
Speaking to the owner he says it was stolen and recovered the next day with no damage apart from locks which were replaced. It wasnt recorded as stolen recovered as the insurance didnt pay out anything?

Should I be wary of buying it?

I had managed to negotiate on the price a little but this was before I had done the checks. seller is refusing to budge any more as he says its a bargain as it is?

What do you think ??

should it be worth less??

Can i post a link up to the car?

Cheers

Steve

Post link

As long as u are just stating the facts - thn its fine

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231420811921?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Not really "HPI cleared" as stated - if its shown as stolen

Too far for u to see it in the metal?

It would put me off buying it, you have to think about when you come to sell it , will you have trouble selling?

Being on HPI will affect its resale value by some considerable margin, if the price being asked is close to book then only buy if you can get a good discounted price.

 

It could be the seller was unaware of the HPI record, who paid for the locks as if it were the insurance it will be classed as a payout and recorded.

You could try ringing 101 and inform the police what you've said here. They'll be able to PNC the vehicle and confirm

I had a colleague who bought a used car from a private dealer.

Within a week, he was pulled over by Police and arrested for driving a stolen car - eeeek!

Transpires all this had been resolved, but updates to the system the Police checks wasn't done.

Still, it was an unpleasant experience.

Bargain s are to be had.

Just beware of the reasons...

The thing is, there is nothing special about it, it's just an average car, there's so many out there to choose from why bother to set yourself up for a potential headache, personally I would just wait out for another one to pop up.

The seller also claims that the car is "HPI clear", which is not true, so you have to ask yourself if you would trust them at all?

^^^ This

The fact he has stated it as HPi and it's not says he is concealing the truth.

Anything else he tells you is probably just as unreliable.

It could well have been probably trashed and repaired by him, who knows. He ain't going to tell you.

Steer clear & buy a nice one

^^^ This

The fact he has stated it as HPi and it's not says he is concealing the truth.

Anything else he tells you is probably just as unreliable.

It could well have been probably trashed and repaired by him, who knows. He ain't going to tell you.

Steer clear & buy a nice one

I couldn't agree more. Run away from this one.  Its been well worth the few quid it costs for a HPI check.

Any car dealer I know will not touch a car if it has anything to do with stolen in its history. I wouldn't pay anymore than 5k for that history.

Ive found out the chap who owns it is a member on here !

As I said on your other (identical) post,

 

renton, on 17 Dec 2014 - 14:31, said:

.......Ive done a couple of HPI checks on the car and it is showing as stolen in 2013.
Speaking to the owner he says it was stolen and recovered the next day with no damage apart from locks which were replaced. It wasnt recorded as stolen recovered as the insurance didnt pay out anything?

Should I be wary of buying it?

 

Bit of a contradicition there don't you think?  If the car wasn't recorded as stolen recovered then how come an HPI check has it showing as stolen in 2013???

I think some of the views on here are perhaps a little harsh. Ok the car was stolen, the locks busted and replaced but whose to say its history is any more chequered than that.

In fairness a car involved in a bad accident but not written off and properly insurance repaired wont carry any marker and doesnt need to be divulged (know this for a fact as Ive been there). The guy may not have realised its stolen status would show and perhaps just thought why mention it as its only likely to deter buyers.

I figure if you like the car, go and look at it and pay to have it properly assessed if youre at all concerned. Seems to me on first look to be a pretty genuine looked after car with reasonable mileage and full dealer history. Also cars with that kind of spec arent that straightforward to come by.

Also its status will also give you some room to drive a bit of a discount.

No more discount being offered.

 

Im looking elswhere.

Shame did also mean to say that its status would have an impact on its retail price; £10295 is strong money for a perfect 10 plate CR with that kind of mileage. He'll probably be doing well to get 9-9.5k for it; i'd be walking too if theres no opportunity to negotiate downwards.

We had agreed at 9.5 k before I found out about its status and then there was no more movement.

It does look a nice car but i would be worried about selling it on in the future.

I don't feel it's worth 9.5. I just hope someone doesn't fall foul of it.

I have said that he needs to ammend his eBay ad as its misleading

On the basis its stolen recovered I agree the seller needs to be a little more realistic about how the car is going to sellm

He's likely kidding himself now if he thinks he can get A1 money for what is effectively a stolen recovered car, regardless of the truth behind it.

Also agree that now the cat is out of the bag he should also put serious consideration into advising its status in the Ad.

Best of luck with your search there are plenty more out there.

But if it was stolen and reported to the police then it will be so on their database until cleared by them. That is one of the checks the HPI will do as well as the insurance database so even though there may not be an insurance claim recorded against it, there will be a stolen marker which means every time you pass a patrol car with ANPR you will get pulled over and questioned. I am with the majority in saying you are right to walk away, there are plenty of cars out there and the right one will turn up one day.

Ian

If he is a member on here cant you get him to comment on this post with more information about the stolen/recovered info etc. 

Ok, ok, everyone calm down here. It's my car and so I thought I'd make some comments to counter a lot of the nonsense that's been posted here.

 

The car was stolen after we were broken into one night and they took the keys to three of our cars and drove away with two.

 

The Skoda was reported as stolen to the police and the insurance company the following morning and in fairness to Aviva (with whom the Skoda was insured) they made an offer for the car that afternoon (they apparently make rapid offers because most people don't want their car back). However, before I could accept the offer the police called to say it had been found.

 

We were told that the thieves take the cars and then dump them in order to see if they have trackers fitted. If nothing happens within three days or so, they go back and do what they were intending to do (put in a container and send to Europe of break for spares, etc.).

 

Because the key was not recovered by the police, we needed to have the locks replaced. The car was taken from the compound to a repair centre arranged by the insurance company and after they checked it over they invited me to go and have a look. There was no damage to the car, there was nothing missing (unlike the Audi where they'd removed the handbook wallet, which we never got back) and the tank was at roughly the same level it was before they took it.

I had to wait approx 6 weeks to get the car back due to the delay in Skoda providing new locks.

 

The insurance company, as I found out today, hadn't updated the database to say that the car had been recovered. Hence why the check shows the car as being stolen. However, the check also shows that there was no pay out for it being stolen or for the car being written off. The insurance company are now updating the records and the status should change in the next 48 hours.

 

Now, the OP expressed the concern to me (via txt) that the car "could have been ragged" whilst stolen. Indeed it may, but it was for a journey of approx 10 miles at most! (I've owned the car since new and he didn't seem overly concerned about the way I'd treated it for the other 48,000 miles or thereabouts).

 

Other's on here have said that because it was stolen it's value should be heavily reduced, er why? The car has not been written off, it has a full dealer service history a valid MOT and has never had any paintwork or body repairs. What difference does the fact that it was stolen and recovered (with no damage done) make to it's innate value?

 

Other's have said that it would get picked up by ANPR and it would get stopped - well you're wrong. In the 18 or so months since it was stolen, I've never once been stopped. For those who haven't bothered to check, there are two databases, one which the police use and which is uploaded to ANPR systems and one used by the insurance industry. Seeing as the police recovered the vehicle, they updated their database. Aviva forgot.

 

The OP also said that if I dropped the price by £500 he'd still be interested. If his concerns are genuine, I fail to see how a monkey makes him sleep easier at night. I'd already dropped the price by £800.

 

Obviously it's entirely up to the OP, or any buyer for that matter, to ensure that whichever vehicle they buy meets their needs, but I do have to say the that turning to forum 'experts' for advice can lead to as much confusion and misinformation as it can be a valuable source of useful advice.

 

Sleep well and don't have nightmares!

Edited 17 December, 201411 yr by jlwah

Agree with him if a car has been Stolen recovered with no damage done to the vehicle and no insurance payout then it should not affect value of the car

If however the car was stolen and a few bits stripped and I surname declared it a cat C because it was un economical to repair then it would affect value on books by 20%

Personally I couldn't care less about a car with history as long as it's been repaired and driveable

What ever makes u sleep at night

I think any reduction in value is down to the HPI check showing the stolen marker or not. If it gets removed and no longer shows on any of the reports then it shouldn't affect the cars value.