Hello Everybody. Been having a good look at the new Fabia and am a little confused about how some of the options justify the cost. They seam to be just a bit of programming in the ECU, for example:

 

The SEL comes with KESSY GO (start only) as standard, make this into KESSY (entry & start) and they want £160. Only thing I can think is an additional sensor in the rear so it knows your stood by the boot.

 

Driver fatigue sensor - this monitors how you drive you drive to decide if your finished. £50 option on all models but seams like just a program in the ECU.

 

Light Assistant is standard on SEL but Light & Rain Assistant is and additional £125 but from my limited understanding uses the same sensor in the windscreen. My only thought was a different wiper stalk possibly.

 

Cornering front fog lights £130 option on SEL as all ready has fog lights as standard. Is this a different unit with an additional bulb in which would justify the cost or again is it just a program in the ECU that needs turning on.

 

Smartgate - Really not sure on this one could need a wifi access point installing but talking to a AA man recently and he was saying this is the way things are going, they will come out to see you and before they have even got out of the van will have scanned the ECU for errors wirelessly. Clever stuff but also scary in the world in which people want to hack everything!

 

Just wondered if there were any Skoda guru's out there that could answer the question? or any one got a different opinion on it all.

I would think a few of these could be ECU controlled yes, however, if someone hooked up a laptop, you would think Skoda would be wary of this that people could just hack the car and get the features for nothing.  Maybe there are different versions of the firmware when different options are loaded at final build.

 

Cornering fogs - I would expect there's a motor added to do this?  How often is it foggy..? can't justify the costs when the headlights themselves don't corner..

 

Rain Assistant.. rather annoying wouldn't want it.. I'm hoping there's a kill switch for the Light Assistant aswell..

 

KESSY - not a fan of push button starting.. apparantly if you're within 1.5metres of the car you can gain entry.  I'm seeing if I can get an SEL without it on..

 

Driver fatigue.. I think it will annoy me too much.. I know when I'm tired.. I don't need telling.. besides.. I've got a wife who'll do the same thing.. £50 saved!

 

Surprised they can scan an ECU wirelessly.. with the car switched off.. that means its constantly transmitting which will be draining the battery and that doesn't make any sense whatsoever..

On my Octavia Vrs High beam assist was a £300 option, mine turned on for a bottle of Red.

 

 

I would think the Fabia would be the same, somethings just need turning on

I would think a few of these could be ECU controlled yes, however, if someone hooked up a laptop, you would think Skoda would be wary of this that people could just hack the car and get the features for nothing.  Maybe there are different versions of the firmware when different options are loaded at final build.

 

Cornering fogs - I would expect there's a motor added to do this?  How often is it foggy..? can't justify the costs when the headlights themselves don't corner..

 

Rain Assistant.. rather annoying wouldn't want it.. I'm hoping there's a kill switch for the Light Assistant aswell..

 

KESSY - not a fan of push button starting.. apparantly if you're within 1.5metres of the car you can gain entry.  I'm seeing if I can get an SEL without it on..

 

Driver fatigue.. I think it will annoy me too much.. I know when I'm tired.. I don't need telling.. besides.. I've got a wife who'll do the same thing.. £50 saved!

 

Surprised they can scan an ECU wirelessly.. with the car switched off.. that means its constantly transmitting which will be draining the battery and that doesn't make any sense whatsoever..

Anyone with VAGCOM can tap into the ECU and change different parameters, there's quite a few on here that can do and some dealers will do it if you ask them nicely, I had a couple of things changed by my dealer when I bought it.

Cornering fog lights don't need motors, the fog light comes on automatically when you turn so the left will come on when turning left and vice versa, so can be activated by a laptop as no parts needed.

I doubt they'll build an SE L without KESSY as it's standard spec not an optional extra like it would be on an SE, you may need to buy an SE and pay over the odds to spec it like an SE L.

I think having read things again on the tech sheets.. the key is still used on the SEL, but it's used in conjunction with the Start Button, but the Kessy GO means you don't have to insert the Key, just keep it within 1.5m and press the button.. don't like it personally.. but there we go.

 

And if that's how those cornering fogs work, that's a bit of a cop out..

 

I understand what you say about the VAGCOM.. prefer to get my own copy of it though.. It doesn't stop dealers turning off features when you take your car in for service though!

kessy to me reduces security

 

non kessy,

 

you have a remote or key to enter vehicle (first security factor), then to start the car you need a key  to turn (second security factor) and the immobiliser chip in the key (third security factor)

 

with kessy

 

key within 1.5 mtrs to enter the vehicle ( first security factor) , then to start the car you need a the same key within the car and push a button (still only 1 security factor)

 

some keyless start systems need the remote placed in a slot in dash I assume this is for the immobiliser so maximum 2 factor security as opposed to 3 factor with keys, but with the information about how VAG and range rovers are taken does not look like you need to have an immobiliser chip

Hello Everybody. Been having a good look at the new Fabia and am a little confused about how some of the options justify the cost. They seam to be just a bit of programming in the ECU, for example:

 

The SEL comes with KESSY GO (start only) as standard, make this into KESSY (entry & start) and they want £160. Only thing I can think is an additional sensor in the rear so it knows your stood by the boot.

 

Driver fatigue sensor - this monitors how you drive you drive to decide if your finished. £50 option on all models but seams like just a program in the ECU.

 

Light Assistant is standard on SEL but Light & Rain Assistant is and additional £125 but from my limited understanding uses the same sensor in the windscreen. My only thought was a different wiper stalk possibly.

 

Cornering front fog lights £130 option on SEL as all ready has fog lights as standard. Is this a different unit with an additional bulb in which would justify the cost or again is it just a program in the ECU that needs turning on.

 

Smartgate - Really not sure on this one could need a wifi access point installing but talking to a AA man recently and he was saying this is the way things are going, they will come out to see you and before they have even got out of the van will have scanned the ECU for errors wirelessly. Clever stuff but also scary in the world in which people want to hack everything!

 

Just wondered if there were any Skoda guru's out there that could answer the question? or any one got a different opinion on it all.

 

I hooked my VCDS clone (12.12.0) to Fabia III and was able to see very few modules so I decided to go for the original cable from Ross-Tech. When I received it I was able to see much more modules - see below scan (I changed VIn, WSC and serial numbers to avoid identification of the car and delaer who provided me the car for testing):

 

Saturday,10,January,2015,08:48:26:12646

VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator

VCDS Version: 14.10.0.0

Data version: 20141022

 

 

VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX   License Plate: XXXXXXXX

Mileage: XXXXXXXXXXXXX   Repair Order: XXXXXXXXXXXX

 

 

 

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Chassis Type: NJ (6C0)

Scan: 01 03 05 08 09 10 13 15 17 19 2B 44 5F

 

VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX   

 

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000

03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000

05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000

08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000

09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000

10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000

13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000

15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000

17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000

19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000

2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000

44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000

5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010

 

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Address 01: Engine (J623-CJZC)       Labels: 04E-907-309-V1.clb

   Part No SW: 04E 906 027 BB    HW: 04E 907 309 AF

   Component: 1.2l R4 TSI   H21 8228  

   Revision: R4H21---    

   Coding: 01110032232415080000

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906027BB 001006

   ROD: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906027BB.rod

   VCID: 65C180BE6450A009FCD-8030

 

No fault code found.

Readiness: 0000 0000

 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: None

   Part No SW: 6C0 907 379 G    HW: 6R0 907 379 BA

   Component: ESP9.0i       H03 0003  

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 41F5247D492433C0091B106E0054822492CC9008000DCAF98F00

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26 100018

   ROD: N/A

   VCID: 33652EE69A040EB9A29-8066

 

No ASAM data for: "EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26" () 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels: 5Q0-959-435.clb

   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A    HW: 5Q0 959 435 

   Component: VWKESSYMQB    021 0604  

   Revision: 00021000    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 030C0C

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB 002011

   ROD: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB_VW37.rod

   VCID: 3A7B03C2BD6EFFF161F-806F

 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: None

   Part No SW: 6V0 907 044     HW: 6V0 907 044 

   Component: Climatronic   H01 0105  

   Serial number:  XXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 100000001011100001

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaValeoPQ26 003001

   ROD: EV_ACClimaValeoPQ26.rod

   VCID: 74E7EDFADF8A49817B3-8021

 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: None

   Part No SW: 6C0 937 090 B    HW: 6C0 937 090 

   Component: BCM PQ26 HiKR H07 0065  

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 0C01085042050AFB43804000402703080800D900D2013500000000000000

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMA0 004008

   ROD: EV_BCMA0.rod

   VCID: 275DCAB65EDC72190E1-8072

 

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 A    HW: 5Q0 955 547 A

   Component: RLHS  037 0059 

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 00185E

 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels: 5Q0-919-283.clb

   Part No SW: 5Q0 919 283 D    HW: 5Q0 919 283 

   Component: PARKHILFE 3K  H10 0048  

   Revision: --------    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 0001050001

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA14AU3700000 002022

   ROD: EV_EPHVA14AU3700000_VW26.rod

   VCID: 3A7B03C2BD6EFFF161F-806F

 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels: 5Q0-907-572.clb

   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 572 D    HW: 5Q0 907 572 D

   Component: ACC Bosch MQB H05 0304  

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 00000000FE0739

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCMRRBoschVW372 001015

   ROD: EV_ACCMRRBoschVW372_AU37.rod

   VCID: 387F19CA8362EDE197B-806D

 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 6C0-959-655.clb

   Part No SW: 6C0 959 655 F    HW: 6C0 959 655 F

   Component: VW20Airbag023 001 0340  

   Revision: --------    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 88CCC000000000005C5400CF000800000000

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X 001001

   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X.rod

   VCID: 366317F289761B91857-8063

 

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 820 211 14

   Component: SideSensor_Df  151 0800 

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 2D2D2D

 

   Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 820 211 14

   Component: SideSensor_Pf  151 0800 

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 2D2D2D

 

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 150 111 14

   Component: SideSensor_Dr  1CA 0148 

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 2D2D2D

 

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 150 111 14

   Component: SideSensor_Pr  1CA 0148 

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 2D2D2D

 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: None

   Part No SW: 6V0 920 740     HW: 6V0 920 740 

   Component: KOMBI         214 0290  

   Coding: 072401102180000801882A011000000000000000

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009040

   ROD: N/A

   VCID: 72EBEBE2A59E47B169F-8027

 

No ASAM data for: "EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB" () 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: None

   Part No SW: 6C0 909 901     HW: 6C0 937 090 

   Component: GW MQB A0     H07 0065  

   Revision: --------    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 030100042F0A640000000000000000010001050000000000000000000000

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewA0Lear 001001

   ROD: EV_GatewA0Lear.rod

   VCID: 65C180BE6450A009FCD-8030

 

   Multifunction unit control module: 

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E0 919 719 A    HW: 5E0 919 719 A

   Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H05 0130 

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6C0 915 181 A    HW: 6C0 915 181 A

   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0223 

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels: 5Q0-905-861.clb

   Part No SW: 5Q0 905 861 A    HW: 5Q0 905 861 A

   Component: ELV-MQBA      H01 0120  

   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 5500000000000000

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMQB 004111

   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMQB_AU37.rod

   VCID: 34672DFA9F0A0981BB3-8061

 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels: Redir Fail!

   Part No SW: 6C1 909 144 M    HW: 6C1 909 144 D

   Component: EPS_TRW_ALow  312 3211  

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 0007

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 011021

   ROD: N/A

   VCID: 326B2BE2651E07B1A9F-8067

 

No ASAM data for: "EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW" () 

No fault code found.

 

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None

   Part No SW: 5Q0 035 819     HW: 5Q0 035 819 

   Component: MU-S--ER      H11 0133  

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

   Coding: 03620000BE00000011110004000808002F0100C40120010000

   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001018

   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_SE26.rod

   VCID: 70EFE1EAAB9275A19FB-8025

 

   Media Player Position 1: 

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6V0 919 604     HW: 6V0 919 604 

   Component: ABTm_Std2  H40 1022 

   Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 

1 Fault Found:

1637 - Interface for External Media 

          U11B8 00 [008] - No Communications

          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 00000001

                    Fault Priority: 4

                    Fault Frequency: 1

                    Reset counter: 44

                    Mileage: 123 km

                    Date: 2014.12.31

                    Time: 13:32:31

 

 

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:53)--------------------------

 

As Fabia III is based on MQB platform you can play with adaptations to enable new features - IMHO a lot of them, including majority of those listed by carl0076, should work.

More irritating electronic crap to go wrong and drive up the price - another trip down VW lane.

 

KISS.

 

 

Nick

thing is the electronics are a necessary evil for all the gadgets people want for comfort, convenience and safety

 

if you don't want so much you need to look at the cheaper Korean / indian brands or a car over 10 years old