The Jazz suffers from the same thing as the i20. Older engine designs that aren't as fuel efficient and expensive to tax!

Oli,

The one thing I keep hammering home to No 1 Son is;

How good an engine the VW 1.2TSI is in respect of torque and fuel consumption.

Perfect for his driving needs.

imho.

Or a 2nd runner ud be the 1.33 Vvt-i (or whatever ) Toyota petrol.

Cheers

M

I disagree with the OP.  I had one as a hire car (and no doubt have another one this Saturday).  When I first saw an Advert for them on TV I wasn't so sure, however after driving one it certainly changed my mind about them.  I didn't even know it was a derv until I did a reg check on it, although not a VRS was still pleased to see it still had Sport mode and to be fair it went.   As for interior & leg room etc, I'm only 5"10 so didn't have much of a problem in that respect personally liked the 'brushed stainless steel' dash on the passenger side, missus wasn't too impressed but I thought it set it off perfectly. 

The Jazz suffers from the same thing as the i20. Older engine designs that aren't as fuel efficient and expensive to tax!

in the i20 the 1.4 petrol are older tech with expensive tax (£130 / year), the 1.2 84PS is only £20 / year tax similar to 1.2TSi

 

the engines are not as efficient as VAG but the price difference / equipment level does in my mind com compensate for the engine tech

 

mine is still running in averaging 45mpg after 400 miles, week after next it will get a 400 mile trip which will give me a good idea of true economy

 

my only niggle so far is the exhaust catching the underside near the back (I assume from when the towbar was fitted at the dealers), got to arrange to take it back for that and try the service dept

Does the Skoda have a "my other car is a Porsche" sticker?

 

Ha ha, no but I would like to get one for my Panda 

So currently;

In Senior Managment's and mine own opinion a Yaris in Icon spec with the 1.33 petrol, £12,850.00 brand spanking new, or £11,995.00 Dec 2014 pre-reg.

 

No 1 Son still favours the i20 for the precieved VFM, though I did strongly suggest he look at comparitive retained values after 3 years.

 

The Fabia III had the USP of an Estate varient, but No1 did not feel he could justify the £1,000.00 extra over.

 

Regards

 

Marcus

I was initially looking at fabia 3 diesel estate but then looked at the £2k for estate and £2k for diesel and thought hmmm!!!

 

I saw an interesting comparison in diesel car magazine fabia 3 / i20, overall I think they came out with the same rating, the interior quality of the i20 was better than the fabia, but the fabia engine with stop start across the board scored better than the i20 but was noted as noisy when pushed up the rev range

 

the other thing is the 5 year unlimited warranty (skoda 3 year / 60,000 miles), and 5 year breakdown cover against 3 year skoda assist

 

but Hyundai is a smaller manufacturer compared to VAG

 

unlike my previous skoda's where I have not really noticed much in the way of performance / economy improvements the i20 is noticeably faster and more economical now at nearly 1000 miles (42mpg first tank, 54mpg at 800 miles)

 

Hyundai is pretty much choose the model, and colour as the option list is pretty bare but cars pretty loaded delivery is a month or less , skoda give you more options but then you have to pay more and have a factory build delay of 3-4 months

 

so depends what you want and which suits your needs

re Hyundai as a Smaller Manufacturer is a bit oo and ahh.

 

10 Million VWG sales Globally against 8 Million for Hyundai / Kia hardly makes them small fry.

 

No i20 Estate is there, ?

As for Bargains from VWG, currently Rapids / Spacebacks with 122ps Petrols are a bit of a steal.

I actually like the form following function of the Fabia Estate.

I simply cannot warm to the Rapid/Spaceback interior at all, at all, at all.

122PS Petrol will be virtually uninsurable, or at least a whole lot of groups higher, for No 1 Son, who is as parsiminious(or prudent) as his ould Da.

Hyundai also build ships, unlike VW.(Wartime Schimmingwagen excepted)

Just back from Mulhollands.

 

Still Much prefer to sit in the 2015 i20 to the 2015 Fabia, subtle precieved differences and a subjectively opinion of course.

 

After a back to back repeated comparisions in a glass wall split & equally lit joint Skoda/Hyundai shoomroom.

 

Hmmm

and near 2 k (£1,900.00 if one wishs to be pedantic) cheaper for the better specced 1.2 84 BHP SE i20.

I was initially looking at fabia 3 diesel estate but then looked at the £2k for estate and £2k for diesel and thought hmmm!!!

 

I saw an interesting comparison in diesel car magazine fabia 3 / i20, overall I think they came out with the same rating, the interior quality of the i20 was better than the fabia, but the fabia engine with stop start across the board scored better than the i20 but was noted as noisy when pushed up the rev range

 

the other thing is the 5 year unlimited warranty (skoda 3 year / 60,000 miles), and 5 year breakdown cover against 3 year skoda assist

 

but Hyundai is a smaller manufacturer compared to VAG

 

unlike my previous skoda's where I have not really noticed much in the way of performance / economy improvements the i20 is noticeably faster and more economical now at nearly 1000 miles (42mpg first tank, 54mpg at 800 miles)

 

Hyundai is pretty much choose the model, and colour as the option list is pretty bare but cars pretty loaded delivery is a month or less , skoda give you more options but then you have to pay more and have a factory build delay of 3-4 months

 

so depends what you want and which suits your needs

 

i20 more economical? not sure about that.. I've started getting 72mpg in my Mk3 on trips to work.. so I don't agree.. and the i20 doesn't really have any poke in its engine.. it's very weedy in the least.

 

nor do I agree on the factory build of 3-4 months.. 8 weeks from ordering is the norm.. and people are adding 1 week for delivery from port to dealer.. mine was 8+1.. as was most others who already have them on here had about the same..

 

if people don't like Skoda's then I'm sure there's another forum for you guys.. although I do wonder how many people on briskoda are merely sales reps for other non-Skoda dealers doing a bit of bashing.. clear off.. no car is perfect, if it was there'd only be one make on the road.

nor do I agree on the factory build of 3-4 months.. 8 weeks from ordering is the norm.. and people are adding 1 week for delivery from port to dealer.. mine was 8+1.. as was most others who already have them on here had about the same..

Mine was eight weeks from order to delivery. Much quicker than the four months I waited for my Citigo.

Gentlemen, lets not get all VWFanboy like, bow down and worship at the Skoda shrine like.

I bought a Skoda, therefore all Skoda's are perfect like.

Because I bought one and I cannot make a mistake, like.

I defended Skoda 30 and 40 years ago, when they were the butt of many jokes, simply because I knew and appreciated Skoda's engineering pedigree and heritage.

We may yet buy another Skoda, but with our eyes open.

In the meantime I kinda like Toyota's proposed new 1.2 petrol, to eventually replace  the 1.33 unit, be really really nice in the new to be introduced Auri, or better yet introduced in the run-out models of the current Auris, but I digress  .  .  .

regards

marcus

Edited 16 April, 201511 yr by dieseldogg

i20 more economical? not sure about that.. I've started getting 72mpg in my Mk3 on trips to work.. so I don't agree.. and the i20 doesn't really have any poke in its engine.. it's very weedy in the least.

 

nor do I agree on the factory build of 3-4 months.. 8 weeks from ordering is the norm.. and people are adding 1 week for delivery from port to dealer.. mine was 8+1.. as was most others who already have them on here had about the same..

 

if people don't like Skoda's then I'm sure there's another forum for you guys.. although I do wonder how many people on briskoda are merely sales reps for other non-Skoda dealers doing a bit of bashing.. clear off.. no car is perfect, if it was there'd only be one make on the road.

dieseldog

 

I was not inferring my i20 was more economical than a new fabia, if you look I have always said the engine was a compromise I accepted, what I was saying was that unlike my previous skoda which did not show much improvement in economy as they were pretty much full power and pretty good economy from day 1 my i20 was pretty poor at day one but has substantially improved

 

the engine is not great below 2000 rpm, 2000-3000 rpm gets better over 3000 rpm much better where as the VAG TSi pulls from much lower down the rev range, currently my i20 about 52-55 mpg which is acceptable to me for a 1.2 petrol

 

my previous skodas when factory ordered were up to 5 month (wifes citigo, ordered april 2013, delivered 1st September 2013)

 

I am posting some comments about my i20 as I believe to a certain extent I am in a unique position of having driven skoda's for the last 15 years (mk1 Octavia 2000-2007, roomster 2007-2012, fabia 2 GLII 2012 - 2015) and covered over 400,000 miles between them

 

I have seen at least 3 car mags compare the new fabia to the i20 and 2 give it slightly to the fabia and the last I saw in diesel car was no real winner from my glance through smiths, so I am trying to give a fair comparison , the closest I have seen to my own thoughts is the diesel car test between them

 

in a nutshell, the i20 has a better interior and std equipment, the fabia has the better engine, i20 appears to have slightly more room in the front, but slightly less in the rear seats, three adults is more cosy than the fabia but leg room is better, I will not comment on the handling / road holding as I have not driven the new fabia, but I have driven the 1.2TSi in the son in laws rapid and the power is much better delivered across most of the rev range than the i20 kappa2 engine

 

the i20 SE (mid range model) has cruise+ speed limiter, spare wheel, all 4 electric windows, multifunction steering wheels with radio and phone controls and line departure warning over the std equipment of the fabia, also 5 year unlimited milage warranty and 5 year breakdown cover (compared to skoda 3 year / 60,000 mile warranty and 3 year skoda assist)

 

the fabia mid range has option of mirrorlnk, and smartgate, stop start on all engines and a more flexible options range

 

having had mine for 1200 miles now, including 600 miles in 2 days to me the seating position and seat are more comfortable for me than my old GLII, more lumber support, seat seems to be firm, but a top layer of slightly softer foam

 

little niggles I have with the i20 the inside areas of the boot lid and under the bonnet are not lacquered ( to save cost I assume) where as skoda laquer all areas painted

 

me personally if I had stayed with skoda this time I would not have chosen the new fabia, I would likely have settle on a base spec 1.2TSi Octavia but that is my 2p worth

 

the title of the thread makes it clear I was not impressed with the new fabia when I finally sat in it, but everyone has their own opinion. me personally I think skoda have done the same to fabia they did with the rapid which is to sacrifice room in the cabin to give a larger boot, combined with what seems to be a lower angle of the windscreen to me makes the car not feel as roomy and airy than the previous model which was one of the main reasons I have driven them for so long

 

I have no interest in promoting the i20, just trying to give those interested  fair comparison, and if you look at most of my posts since I got it I do not mention it

Edited 16 April, 201511 yr by bluecar1

Posts such as above are the very core of any open-eyed useful forum, and should be complusory reading for Skoda big-wigs.

 

Though I presume that is what "focus groups" are supposed to be about.

 

Because regardless of what people actually say in public, after they have bough a particular make and model of car, they will possibly/probably think something different, when, over time, they compare their purchase to a friends or family members alternative car choice.

 

The first the manufacturer will know is that they are loosing sales to a rival.

 

Marcus

12.5%-15.0% discount could? perhaps/maybe/might make the Fabia III attractive

Fingers crossed

Not to be a Fabia as "we" are still set on an i20, I may still persuade him to wait for the new engines, due in June apparently.

Fingers crossed.

regards

marcus

couple of things I have found with the i20

 

hill hold only works on 6% hills or greater, so not realy much use

 

lane deviation warning is very quiet and at motorway speed with radio on easily missed

 

other than that can't fault it

i20 now ordered.

Perhaps

bluecar1 and der young-un should now form an independant i20 forum?

regards

M

I have 15 years of experience of skoda cars (both driving and maintaining them) so still have a lot to contribute,

 

I can PM you 2 Hyundai forums for your young-un if he wants, and if you notice not all of my posts about the i20 are positive

 

one of the things about this forum that makes it shine over others is the diversity of the cars people drive and the tolerance of the odd talk and comparisons of skoda to other makes