Most KTM's have a snatchy throttle response. I think they design their bikes to ragged everywhere with very little between the throttle being on or off.

Nope, it's down to production schedules and the EU meddlers and their bulls**t emissions regs. No manufacturer chooses deliberately to have crap fuelling. Fuel injected bikes never have the silky smooth delivery of cv carbs, and all suffer with snatchy delivery to a greater or lesser extent, but KTM are well known to be one of the worst offenders, mainly because they build large capacity twins. It's now all but impossible to get decent fuelling on a bike with big pistons while staying within EU emissions regs (this is the reason many modern bikes are now saddled with stupid ride by wire throttles). Combine that with the fact that when developing a new bike, manufacturers have the production window decided well in advance, and it's cast in stone, so when that window comes round the manufacturer says "f**k it, that'll have to do", and the bike goes to production, leaving the buyers to either put up with the crap fuelling, or spend a few hundred quid and get it remapped by someone who isn't constrained by EU emissions regs, and can make the bike into what it should have been when it left the factory.

The mirrors are still narrower than your elbows, and if you're filtering through gaps that are millimetres wider than your bar ends then you're asking for trouble anyway. I've used bar end mirrors for years (originally that type, since replaced with better ones), and they don't affect filtering at all. That's another discussion though, the question you asked was what the mirrors were (or, more specifically where you could get some), and the answer is that they're the ones in my earlier post, or one of the other very similar (often identical) ones on the market.

Its just a cosmetic thing i think.

Standard mirrors dont hang over all that much further.

But his bike would look better without mirrors, or appearing like it has none.

Talking of trouble. I was sat on thd motorway in traffic earlier, standstill, n a bike came flying down between the lanes at (im guessing ofc) 40mph ish. And the motorway was on a slight bend so cars coupdnt see too far with wing mirrors. Madness really. I dno why they do it.

Madness really. I dno why they do it.

Because they're bellends.

Because they're bellends.

Funny that.

Exactly the same word as i used as i moved over as soon as i saw him in my mirrors (which was too late really, ofc)

To be fair, motorcycling certainly does have no shortage of them, lol.

To be fair, motorcycling certainly does have no shortage of them, lol.

Id have to agree. I dont like bikes following me, on the bike or in the car, and i dont like overtaking bikes either lol

Car drivers can be the same though. Just slower and wider.

The mirrors are still narrower than your elbows, and if you're filtering through gaps that are millimetres wider than your bar ends then you're asking for trouble anyway. I've used bar end mirrors for years (originally that type, since replaced with better ones), and they don't affect filtering at all. That's another discussion though, the question you asked was what the mirrors were (or, more specifically where you could get some), and the answer is that they're the ones in my earlier post, or one of the other very similar (often identical) ones on the market.

 

 

No thanks, Just to add to this post they aren't the ones you posted in the earlier post they are BAR END mirrors i want a mirror that clamps to the cars instead of inserting into the end of the bar. To further add yes you can remove the bar end attachment but i stumbled across the actual mirrors without modifying them . 

No thanks, Just to add to this post they aren't the ones you posted in the earlier post they are BAR END mirrors i want a mirror that clamps to the cars instead of inserting into the end of the bar. To further add yes you can remove the bar end attachment but i stumbled across the actual mirrors without modifying them .

The ones in the pic you posted are the ones in my post (or one of the various ones available that are just the same. All he's done is remove the end plug and clamp them round the bars. There's no need to remove or modify anything.

Id have to agree. I dont like bikes following me, on the bike or in the car, and i dont like overtaking bikes either lol

Car drivers can be the same though. Just slower and wider.

Most motorcyclists are as slow, or slower than car drivers, to be fair, lol. I remember one afternoon having two goes down the (short, but rather excellent) Leyburn to Richmond Road on my old faithful Bandit. The local lad in his Nova made a better effort keeping up the second time than the romper suited mobile chicane did on his GSXR 1000 on the first, lol. Even he wasn't as hopeless as the big crowd of Harleys that held me up between Grassington and Skipton another time - while I was in my Primera, lol. Continental drift moves faster than they did...

Thread dead.

Nope, it's down to production schedules and the EU meddlers and their bulls**t emissions regs. No manufacturer chooses deliberately to have crap fuelling. Fuel injected bikes never have the silky smooth delivery of cv carbs, and all suffer with snatchy delivery to a greater or lesser extent, but KTM are well known to be one of the worst offenders, mainly because they build large capacity twins. It's now all but impossible to get decent fuelling on a bike with big pistons while staying within EU emissions regs (this is the reason many modern bikes are now saddled with stupid ride by wire throttles). Combine that with the fact that when developing a new bike, manufacturers have the production window decided well in advance, and it's cast in stone, so when that window comes round the manufacturer says "f**k it, that'll have to do", and the bike goes to production, leaving the buyers to either put up with the crap fuelling, or spend a few hundred quid and get it remapped by someone who isn't constrained by EU emissions regs, and can make the bike into what it should have been when it left the factory.

 

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The one failing of my Street R is the horribly snatchy throttle when transitioning from a closed or trailing throttle to open. It's a nuisance on smooth roads, but a liability on bumpy b roads. If I keep it, the plan was to take it down to BSD for a custom remap, with the SAI crap and O2 sensor switched off, to sort it out (and add a healthy midrange boost).

If Britain leaves the EU, can we have CV carbs back?...

The one failing of my Street R is the horribly snatchy throttle when transitioning from a closed or trailing throttle to open. It's a nuisance on smooth roads, but a liability on bumpy b roads. If I keep it, the plan was to take it down to BSD for a custom remap, with the SAI crap and O2 sensor switched off, to sort it out (and add a healthy midrange boost).

My mates had his street triple remapped. Loves it. Getting 125bhp now he says. Reckons it wants to wheelie in 4th if he opens up.

He has been known to speak **** though.

 

 

The one failing of my Street R is the horribly snatchy throttle when transitioning from a closed or trailing throttle to open. It's a nuisance on smooth roads, but a liability on bumpy b roads. If I keep it, the plan was to take it down to BSD for a custom remap, with the SAI crap and O2 sensor switched off, to sort it out (and add a healthy midrange boost). 

 

Have you tried TuneECU on your Triumph? There are plenty of maps shared by others for you to try dependent on what mods you've made.. I'd already had full titanium Akro's pipes and can's fitted with the supplied Akro map and it ran terrible. I also changed the airbox to a Moto Hooligan with modified stacks, removed the SAS system and secondary buttlerflies. It was remapped by a local tuner who was well recommended but wan't happy with it. I took it back a few times but couldn't tune out the flat spot I was getting and blamed it on the combination of mods I'd made.

Through maps shared on the KTMSMT forum I was able to try different maps loaded through TuneECU designed for similar mods. From the first one there were noticeable improvements. I tried four maps in total with two of those being revision to another and the bike is a totally different beast to how it was.  

My mates had his street triple remapped. Loves it. Getting 125bhp now he says. Reckons it wants to wheelie in 4th if he opens up.

He has been known to speak **** though.

Lol. Why do people feel the need to talk complete ****** like that, it's beyond me. A remap adds very little peak bhp, but gives a healthy midrange boost. A Street Triple with the Arrow 3 into 1 race system like mine and a good remap will give maybe 105bhp, depending on the dyno. As for throttle wheelies in 4th, does he do a lot of drugs, lol? 125bhp is supersport tuned Daytona 675 territory - the Street Triple is detuned compared to the Daytona it borrows its engine from (not retuned, as people who swallow the marketing bulls**t would have you believe), it's a shame they didn't fit the full fat Daytona motor in the Street R.

Lol. Why do people feel the need to talk complete ****** like that, it's beyond me. A remap adds very little peak bhp, but gives a healthy midrange boost. A Street Triple with the Arrow 3 into 1 race system like mine and a good remap will give maybe 105bhp, depending on the dyno. As for throttle wheelies in 4th, does he do a lot of drugs, lol? 125bhp is supersport tuned Daytona 675 territory - the Street Triple is detuned compared to the Daytona it borrows its engine from (not retuned, as people who swallow the marketing bulls**t would have you believe), it's a shame they didn't fit the full fat Daytona motor in the Street R.

Ahaa. Sounds about right. I thought it was abit much, getting much more peak BHP from a naturally aspirated engine full stop is very unusual.

does the daytona need to be revved more than the street triple though? Power higher up in the range? Less mid range?

Have you tried TuneECU on your Triumph? Th

I have TuneECU, but I'm reluctant to use it again, after it cost me £250. Plus, the problem with installing maps you've got from some bloke off an Internet forum is that plenty of them won't really have a clue what they're doing. Anyone can mess about with a fuelling map, but not many have a dyno and the proper know how. Fine if you're uploading a map that you know for sure they've had done by a professional, but even then it's a map for their bike, not yours. I'd rather pay a bit of money and have a bespoke map done for my bike by someone I trust to do the job right.

Ahaa. Sounds about right. I thought it was abit much, getting much more peak BHP from a naturally aspirated engine full stop is very unusual.

does the daytona need to be revved more than the street triple though? Power higher up in the range? Less mid range?

The sort of people who swallow marketing department bulls**t will have you believe that the Street is "retuned", has more power low down than a Daytona, and that the Daytona is peaking and needs revving more, but that's all ******. Look at the dyno curves of a Street and a Daytona done on the same dyno on the same day, and you see it's a simple detune. The Daytona matches the Street low down, with no losses, then from the midrange upwards makes more power and torque everywhere right up to peak, and revs higher too (Daytona has forged pistons, Street has cast pistons). Yes, you can rev the Daytona higher if you want to, but if you're feeling lazy it matches or beats the Street right through the Rev range, so at any rpm you're getting at least as much, or more, mumbo from the Daytona than the Street. Any (misguided) impression that the Daytona is peakier is down to riders faulty bum dynos - the more pronounced step in power in the upper rev range fools people into thinking it has less low down. It's a shame that Triumph didn't have the balls to fit the Daytona engine to the Street R, since it would've cost no more to do, but I guess they knew it would kill sales of the ageing 1050 Speed Triple.

 

 

I have TuneECU, but I'm reluctant to use it again, after it cost me £250. Plus, the problem with installing maps you've got from some bloke off an Internet forum is that plenty of them won't really have a clue what they're doing. Anyone can mess about with a fuelling map, but not many have a dyno and the proper know how. Fine if you're uploading a map that you know for sure they've had done by a professional, but even then it's a map for their bike, not yours. I'd rather pay a bit of money and have a bespoke map done for my bike by someone I trust to do the job right.

 

I've never put a map on from an unknown, even then I've reviewed the fuelling map and if anything looks out I've just deleted it. I totally agree with your comment about people not knowing what they are doing as I've seen and wondered is this a joke with large differences between cylinders.On the other hand I had the unfortunate experience of paying someone for their expertise and getting sweet FA in return.

My butt dyno is telling me my bike is around 95% spot on any day of the year and much better than it has been with any other map including the manufacturers and the dyno'd map. To get that extra 5% isn't worth it now and I know in all honesty I can get more performance by shifting some lard off myself as well as tweaking the suspension.

I know in all honesty I can get more performance by shifting some lard off myself as well as tweaking the suspension.

I certainly don't need to shift any lard, I'm a racing whippet as it is, lol. Sorted suspension is worth way more than a few bhp extra, but it always amazes me that most people will happily spend a small fortune on fancy exhausts (yup, guilty of that one myself), super sticky trackday tyres (that they don't need and, most of the time, will give them less grip than a modern sports touring tyre), tasteless carbon tat, etc, etc, but never even entertain the idea of setting up their suspension, never mind spending any money upgrading it. I've added a rather lovely bespoke top of the range Wilbers shock to my Street (retail would have been a rather painful £825, but at the £400 I could get it for I couldn't stop myself buying it), and a trip to Gareth at Reactive Suspension for a setup session and chat re options for the forks is on the to do list (again, depending on whether I'm keeping it).

I'd give a map from another owner a go if I was 100% sure of its provenance, but I don't have the specialist knowledge to tinker with mapping settings myself, and I'm wary of using TuneECU to upload maps, after the trouble and expense it caused me previously.

Sorry mate.

Partially my fault.

Unusual, i know

Sorry mate.

Partially my fault.

Unusual, i know

 

 

I forgive you say something or post something SM related i will forgive you

I don't understand the strange notion some folk subscribe to of "thread hijacking". A forum thread is just a conversation in text form, conversations, by their very nature, sooner or later deviate from the original topic. Do the same folk complain of "conversation hijacking" when it occurs in verbal conversations, lol? Maybe they do, who knows.

So, to placate the anti hijacking folks - "How's the KTM? Been out on it yet?"