First post !

 

I have the same 'issue' on mine and can confirm it is engine temp related. I just don't get it until it's been running a good 15 mins and only on idling. It's been the same since new but if it gets worse i'll certainly be taking it back to the dealer with the knowledge it is not an isolated occurrence.

Edited 28 June, 20169 yr by SmurfWagon

1. The compressor should be replaced

2. A new dryer unit for the condenser should be fitted

3. The system should be flushed before the new parts are fitted to prevent further contamination.

 

Thanks again for this James. I've finally got my car back after 2 weeks at the dealer, and they have supposedly done exactly what you've stated. Let's hope it remains resolved.

 

On a side note, I hope you can clear something up for me. My driver side airbag light was on as well, with the words "error: airbag" and a beep sounding each time the key was turned in the ignition. I mentioned this to them as well when I took it in and their findings and fix was: "Carried out investigation to the airbag light on, confirmed fault stored, 1 event occurrence in the drivers side crash sensor, checked connections and wiring, all ok. Cleared event, fault not returned, unable to identify cause at present, customer to monitor."

 

Should I be worried? Have they performed due diligence? Should they have done more investigations? Is it possible the airbag doesn't even work?

Just to clear up an earlier question about these later cars having a conventional compressor with pulley clutch, they don't, still the same as used on these cars from day one.

 

Anyway, wife's August 2015 Polo 1.2TSI 110 has logged a "compressor control" problem, intermittent s/c to earth, just something to report at service time soon.

Thanks again for this James. I've finally got my car back after 2 weeks at the dealer, and they have supposedly done exactly what you've stated. Let's hope it remains resolved.

On a side note, I hope you can clear something up for me. My driver side airbag light was on as well, with the words "error: airbag" and a beep sounding each time the key was turned in the ignition. I mentioned this to them as well when I took it in and their findings and fix was: "Carried out investigation to the airbag light on, confirmed fault stored, 1 event occurrence in the drivers side crash sensor, checked connections and wiring, all ok. Cleared event, fault not returned, unable to identify cause at present, customer to monitor."

Should I be worried? Have they performed due diligence? Should they have done more investigations? Is it possible the airbag doesn't even work?

Good news! How come they had it for two weeks?

Thanks again for this James. I've finally got my car back after 2 weeks at the dealer, and they have supposedly done exactly what you've stated. Let's hope it remains resolved.

 

On a side note, I hope you can clear something up for me. My driver side airbag light was on as well, with the words "error: airbag" and a beep sounding each time the key was turned in the ignition. I mentioned this to them as well when I took it in and their findings and fix was: "Carried out investigation to the airbag light on, confirmed fault stored, 1 event occurrence in the drivers side crash sensor, checked connections and wiring, all ok. Cleared event, fault not returned, unable to identify cause at present, customer to monitor."

 

Should I be worried? Have they performed due diligence? Should they have done more investigations? Is it possible the airbag doesn't even work?

 

WRT the airbag issue, the trouble is, what else can they do at the moment, Skoda will not entertain any warranty work claim against parts that only issued one warning.  I might find the same with the "compressor control fault - intermittent s/c to earth" on my wife's 2015 Polo, but at least in both our cases, we will have logged that occurence which should make a claim, if necessary, a bit later on still being possible to get fixed FOC - well that is my take on it!

Who pays for warranty work? Does the main dealer have to pay for anything?

They have to pay for parts and labour initially which is recredited to them post claim but if the claim isn't justified and upheld by Skoda they loose out on all those costs.

A one time occurrence of a fault is common on such complex systems at present, the problem is people have no real ideas of how the warranty process works and believe that because they can scan their own cars with vcds and find some stored codes that the dealer should start throwing hours worth of time and money into something that may not be an issue at all.

Singular faults with no other symptoms should be erased then rechecked at a later date, chances are that a component has operated outside it's tolerances so the "fix" may well be to adjust those tolerances to prevent the code.

It used to happen frequently with voltage load drops where the bcm would record faults associated with low voltage. This was being cause by volt drop from the battery during cranking but exhibited no other symptoms. A software adjustment to widen the tolerance of said system and hey presto - no more faults!

All well and good, but not very convincing in the case of a SRS component failure being indicated to the owner, as he was advised monitor etc, at least that occurence has been recorded, that is all I want for the compressor control fault that has been logged only once and last month on wife's Polo. Routing and cable build length of wiring from the fuel tank unit will also get reported as these wires are not fitted in a way to minimise damage - as in 2003 9N Polo and 2009 6J Ibiza, also the annoying whistling noises when the EVAP tank is being purged is not necessary. Service time will tell how VW have handled things, hopefully all can be resolved quickly and without any nasty verbals.

Without the fault code no one can denote that the cause is/was component failure, it could have been a simple case of a loom being snagged when the cars been cleaned or the Seat moved and it's triggered a resistive fault, hence the "no fault found".

All well and good, but not very convincing in the case of a SRS component failure being indicated to the owner, as he was advised monitor etc, at least that occurence has been recorded, that is all I want for the compressor control fault that has been logged only once and last month on wife's Polo. Routing and cable build length of wiring from the fuel tank unit will also get reported as these wires are not fitted in a way to minimise damage - as in 2003 9N Polo and 2009 6J Ibiza, also the annoying whistling noises when the EVAP tank is being purged is not necessary. Service time will tell how VW have handled things, hopefully all can be resolved quickly and without any nasty verbals.

There are modified EVAP pipes to stop the whistling sound.

There are modified EVAP pipes to stop the whistling sound.

 

Thanks for confirming that, mind you I'll need to hope that VW UK accept that these noises can be got rid of, I have now booked that Polo in for its first service on August 8th and added comments about the "peeping" noises and boldly stated that Skoda, at least did recognise that there was a problem that had a fix!

There are modified EVAP pipes to stop the whistling sound.

 

Well it is first service day for wife's 1.2TSI 110PS Polo, so far, the reported issue with the EVAP pipe etc only got a "how do you spell that EMAP?"  followed by "no this is the first time I've heard about that" - yes, I was limited to talking to a service receptionist monkey, at best, maybe even someone that was in for job experience! The guy's writing was worse than mine - and that is saying a lot, so I can't see the service department being able to work out much from that other than a friendly "just book it in again and we will look at it" - well that is not going to happen, too much trouble for me.

Maybe I should hold fire and be amazed to find that they have sorted it out in a timely manner, I hope they do, I want this to end up being a good main dealer experience. Place has been tarted up (re-invented VW excellance) since I was last in (Western VW Fort Kinnaird Edinburgh) and there are big important statements in graphics on huge wall boards, which look like "this is what we say we do" which of course don't need to have any bearing on what they do - in your experience.  I then wasted my time making the point "if that is a 1.0TSI over there, I'd reckon that it will have a rubber hose and not a stiff ribbed plastic one" - no interest was shown.

Well did the naughty thing and shuffled back into my VW dealer before they had contacted me to say anything, managed to sidestep a younger meeter and greeter who had obviously not been trained up to "one man and his dog" customer control levels (can I get you a coffee-no, or a tea-no or a cold drink-no and just take a seat over there until I've found out where we are with your car) - straight to the workshop viewing window, car still on ramps, well at least it is getting worked on - maybe. Talked to different and better service advisor and got the facts, new style EVAP pipe on order, my issue with the wiring that emerges from above the fuel tank can't be resolved as it looks like VW have changed the bung and all the newer cars look the some as mine except mine has an indentation for the correct cable fitted the correct way to fit into and be protected from damage from above. So a lot better than it sounded earlier today and a few months ago when I first chatted to them about the Peeeeeeping noises. Their new showroom layout seems to me to be a joke and a cheap copy of the joke layout that Audi dealers have, progress it must be. Even the poor sales guys, though still in their VW corp kit of casual clothes, have lost their desks, its all hot couching with tablets now.  Has Skoda gone down that route as well?

Edited 8 August, 20169 yr by rum4mo

There are modified EVAP pipes to stop the whistling sound.

 

And the part number for the "rubber" pipe to the EVAP solenoid to replace the ribbed plastic one is  04E 133 518 G - well that is what has just been fitted to my wife's August 2015 VW Polo 1.2TSI 110PS SEL.  It took the VW dealer 4 days to get on ordered in.

 

The only customer complaints today were, "is that reg ending MHL" to which the answer was YES, "well it will take quite a long time as we are busy", to which I replied that I had been given an 11:10-IN>12:10-OUT booked workshop slot, "oh we have two people waiting" - why should I worry with my booked workshop slot " okay it will be 2 hours or less" - it is a 15 minute job to replace this pipe, and I'm being generous!  I leave car keys etc, everyone knows what is happening, or do they? Half an hour later, a phone call " can you confirm why your car has been booked in to the workshop?" I said to get the EVAP pipe replaced under warranty, you have ordered in the pipe following my visit last Monday, "does it make a noise under the bonnet" which I answered honestly saying that I'm sure it does, I only hear it when driving (can't be in two places at the same time!), so it got fitted "there is no charge for that work", I'd hope not! No paperwork yet or note logged on service booklet in the space for "other things outside scope of service", I need to phone them after all the paperwork has been through the billing system, them they will forward me the service work sheet and the EVAP pipe work sheet - they don't like handing out or even emailing documents, even although my signature is on both of them, how strange!

Now you are getting me worried, this AND the latest TSI is back with a belt driven camshaft, progress? I hope, in a nice way, that you are wrong!  No warnings in my S4 handbook to "keep using the A/C to keep its seals oiled up".  I'm sure that daughter's late 2009 Ibiza has the same type of A/C compressor as wife's late 2002 Polo.

 

You are correct xman. But rum4mo, you don't have to worry about running the aircon too much (although it's still a good idea) as the pump is circulating the gas at 2% to keep everything lubed. 

You are correct xman. But rum4mo, you don't have to worry about running the aircon too much (although it's still a good idea) as the pump is circulating the gas at 2% to keep everything lubed.

Oh, keep up, that was posted way before I took delivery of that car!

I would think that there are not many new cars being delivered with donkeys that have a clutch, things have moved on a lot in the interests of emissions etc.

Wait a minute Estate Man, xman said that the early cars had a swash plate type compressor but he thought the later ones had compressors with electro-magnetic clutches, but he accepted that he might be wrong, he was wrong - all these cars have Sandem variable displacement compressors, ie fixed drive and swash plate to vary capacity. I'm just clearing up a point so as not to cause others confusion. (from a quoted posting that is over a year old!)

Edited 18 August, 20169 yr by rum4mo

Well following on from my posting in this thread about having the ribbed EVAP pipe replaced to get rid of a "peeping" noise, I have been hearing noises under the bonnet at hot idle "now and again" - I was sure that it was only pipes knocking against each other so not too bothered. Prompted by a Polo owner in another forum, I was examining various parts under the bonnet - and discovered that the discharge AC pipe (the large one) is getting polished by a rubber pipe touching it, this rubber pipe is the new one that was fitted to get rid of the "peeping" noise almost 2 years ago!  Now that Polo owner on the other forum sent me some pictures taken of under bonnet areas on his late 2017 Polo 1.2TSI 90PS,  and I spotted that VW Group have now added a painted reference ring on that pipe and fitted a bridging hose clamp across that pipe and the small coolant returning pipe that terminates at the top of the coolant reservoir. By doing that, the EVAP rubber pipe is pulled away from being in danger of touching the AC discharge aluminium pipe, so VW Group have recognised that issue as well as the original peeping noise.

 

Time to try to order up a hose bridge clip/clamp as my temp measure of two cable ties does not look very clever - or chat with VW dealer service dept to try to reason that my car now needs that later part of this "mod" adding to it.

rum4mo, I've also seen suitable clamps in auto accessory stores for about £1.50 if that's easier. The 'Range' and 'Halfords have them, also many motorcycle shops carry them if it's a big enough store. Look on the racks with the bubble encased spares.

Estate Man, thanks, if my mission to VW dealer today has been in vain - they tried to select a suitable one to order and I got them to order what I guessed was a suitable one as well, I'll find out what turns up on Friday, then I will spread my net further.

Whoops, my mistake, what I assumed was another EVAP pipe is actually the fuel pipe coming up from the fuel filter into the HP fuel pump!  

 

So I reckon that I should chat to either the supplying dealer or VW UK about this issue which they (VW) obviously know about but are not bothering to do anything about!

Well, I've been and collected the new clips, the one I found to be looking like it should do the job was N10732301 and called a bracket, on ebay searches under that number the aftermarket sellers were identifying it as being "14 - 14" which I took to mean that it is suitable for clipping to 2 pipes having a nominal diameter of 14mm - the two pipes that need clipping together I measured as being roughly 15.6mm and 14.5mm - so this clip/clamp/bracket should be perfect.

 

When I looked at the bridging clip, one half, the one with the ratcheting clamping cover looked okay but the other end which is just a fixed opening clip looked a bit too big, roughly 18.5mm, so I improvised and wrapped fabric sticky cable tape round the low pressure fuel pipe enough times to bring it up to a suitable diameter - and fitted the bracket.

 

It seems to do the job that I intended it to do and same as what VW Group fitted to engines built after 18/11/14 - though I still find it strange that a factory ordered Polo going into build in late June/early July 2015, was fitted with an engine built before mid November 2014, maybe these naughty Skoda engine factory people in CZ that build these engines just use what ever is left lying around?  If I get bored I might chat to VW UK about this, though I'd expect anyone that I was allowed to talk to will dismiss this as irrelevant.

Well, glad you got something suitable. I sometimes find sourcing stuff like these clips very troublesome. I rebuild motorcycles and cars as a hobby these days and often brackets and clips must be made from scratch or improvised. Getting very good at it now, sounds like you are to!