Mad Indian "Road" Test.........

 

 

Result of first round of the WSS300 round at Aragon......

 

Looks like the Ninja 400 and KTM 390 need a few kilos weigh penalty to even it back up again...

 

RESULTS WORLDSSP300 (Race)SESSION COMPLETED

		RIDER	BIKE	FL GAP	FL REL	REL1	REL2	REL3	LAST LAP	BEST LAP	SPD	MAX
1	17	MEUFFELS Koen	KTM RC 390 R	LEAD	LEAD					2'08.510	204	211
2	95	DEROUE Scott	Kawasaki Ninja 400	0.031	+0.031					2'08.888	203	211
3	8	PEREZ Mika	Kawasaki Ninja 400	0.125	+0.094					2'08.803	201	209
4	22	KALININ Mykyta	Kawasaki Ninja 400	0.207	+0.082					2'08.810	202	206
5	6	SCHOTMAN Robert	Kawasaki Ninja 400	0.370	+0.163					2'08.747	210	214
6	2	CARRASCO Ana	Kawasaki Ninja 400	0.438	+0.068					2'09.015	210	210
7	15	VAN STRAALEN Glenn	KTM RC 390 R	0.817	+0.379					2'08.960	208	210
8	20	LOUREIRO Dorren	Kawasaki Ninja 400	0.819	+0.002					2'08.881	209	211
9	43	GRUNWALD Luca	KTM RC 390 R	8.774	+7.955					2'09.581	198	205
10	21	SANCHEZ Borja	Kawasaki Ninja 400	14.451	+5.677					2'10.410	199	205
11	93	KHAN Walid	Kawasaki Ninja 400	14.716	+0.265					2'10.440	202	209
12	14	DE LA VEGA Enzo	Kawasaki Ninja 400	14.932	+0.216					2'10.148	204	207
13	33	VALLE Daniel	Yamaha YZF-R3	15.014	+0.082					2'09.915	200	205
14	99	GRASSIA Paolo	Yamaha YZF-R3	15.026	+0.012					2'09.996	203	203
15	97	KAPPLER Maximilian	KTM RC 390 R	15.250	+0.224					2'10.374	203	207
16	55	HENDRA PRATAMA Galang	Yamaha YZF-R3	15.421	+0.171					2'09.939	205	205
17	69	HERRERA Maria	Yamaha YZF-R3	15.589	+0.168					2'10.165	201	204
18	16	LUNA BAYEN Marc	Kawasaki Ninja 400	26.324	+10.735					2'11.155	197	203
19	19	BERNARDI Luca	Yamaha YZF-R3	36.256	+9.932					2'11.495	190	199
20	78	FORAY Joseph	Kawasaki Ninja 400	39.331	+3.075					2'12.450	202	206
21	28	KOOPMAN Dennis	Yamaha YZF-R3	39.401	+0.070					2'12.094	193	200
22	13	IOZZO Dino	Honda CBR500R	59.730	+20.329					2'13.597	195	200
23	36	NEILA Beatriz	Yamaha YZF-R3	59.730	0.000					2'14.033	189	195
24	18	MURLEY Alex	Yamaha YZF-R3	59.967	+0.237					2'13.796	191	197
25	84	OVERBEEKE Joep	Yamaha YZF-R3	59.972	+0.005					2'13.299	185	196
26	30	BLIN Daniel	Yamaha YZF-R3	> 1'	+15.714					2'15.491	184	196
27	89	CARRASCO Adrian	Yamaha YZF-R3	> 1'	+0.006					2'15.548	186	192
28	79	ALONSO Tomas	Yamaha YZF-R3	> 1'	+0.046					2'15.265	190	197
29	44	LOCHOFF Samuel Aaron	Yamaha YZF-R3	> 1'	+0.020					2'14.590	198	198
30	7	SETTIMO Nicola	Honda CBR500R	> 1'	+0.012					2'15.349	197	197

 

 

Edited 15 April, 20188 yr by lol-lol

On 11/27/2017 at 17:36, lol-lol said:

Mad Indian "Road" Test.........

 

 

Reminds me of when I was 17 years old.

 

Be interesting to compare the faired version of the duke 390, the rc390 with the r3 - I think the duke is faster than the rc to 60mph due to lightness, but there onwards the fairing helps.

7 hours ago, john2017 said:

Reminds me of when I was 17 years old.

Be interesting to compare the faired version of the duke 390, the rc390 with the r3 - I think the duke is faster than the rc to 60mph due to lightness, but there onwards the fairing helps.

 

The new 390s have bigger tanks and hence are a bit heavier and do not need restrictor kits for A2 licence holders.

 

R3 and RC 390 similar in performance though some RCs did well in the above WSS300 event. The Dutch run a very competitive single make championship for 390s.

 

After Aragon race I think there will be a push for the 399 cc kwacker to have another couple or three kilos and the 390 to have one or two more too. 

 

133 mph is pretty awesome for this little bikes.  

 

============================================================================================================================================

Rule 2.7.4

Minimum weight
The minimum weight for each model is as follows:
Honda CBR500R 156 Kg
Kawasaki Ninja 300 (EX300A/D/F) 140 Kg
Kawasaki Ninja 400 (EX400G/H/J) 150 Kg
Yamaha YZF-R3 140 Kg
Yamaha YZF-R3A 140 Kg
KTM RC390 136 Kg
KTM RC390R 136 Kg

 

At any time of the event, the weight of the whole motorcycle (including the tank and its contents) must not be lower than the minimum weight. There is no tolerance on the minimum weight of the motorcycle. 

 

 

I wonder if Yamaha produce 'power' engine parts for the r3 like ktm does for the rc390:

 

http://www.ktmstuff.co.uk/tuning-kit-evo2

 

 

1 hour ago, john2017 said:

I wonder if Yamaha produce 'power' engine parts for the r3 like ktm does for the rc390:

http://www.ktmstuff.co.uk/tuning-kit-evo2

 

Not found much at all.  In WSS300 the stock engine is sealed but people do loads to the ancillaries.

 

Weighing it all up and I probably will Decat mine.  

Other things people do is to drop the chain and sprockets size.  I think less for the weight and more for the less friction.

 

The R3 is raced all over the world ie Australia, Europe, US and there are lots of parts for them. Lithium battery to replace stock etc.

Lots of race bits but all to stay within the category racing restrictions.

 

Lots of aftermarket but Yamaha do not do much ie performance air filter, mudguard eliminators in some markets.

 

No big bore kits sadly to take it out to 400 cc. Rumours there will be a R4 soonish to match/better the Ninja 400.   

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, fabiamk2SE said:

 

 

Thanks.

 

So they have clipped the Ninja rev limit to 10,850 to stop it much higher top speed and get then to re-gear.

 

We have Assen our the next three days so we will see if it works.

 

 

 

Ninja 400 still have the edge in speed at the beautiful Imola.  The lady leads the pack.....

 

 

No. Rider               Nat Team                                                                    Bike                                 Gap Rel.                     Laps   Avg Speed Time                     Max

1 2 A. CARRASCO ESP DS Junior Team                                                     Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'07.941                          13              138,889                        187,6

2 95 S. DEROUE NED Motoport Kawasaki                                                Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'08.231 0.290 0.290 14                138,575                         189,6

3 21 B. SANCHEZ ESP ETG Racing                                                              Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'08.687 0.746 0.456 14                138,084                          188,6

4 6 R. SCHOTMAN NED Motoport Kawasaki                                            Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'08.844 0.903 0.157 14                 137,916                         192,0

5 51 M. BASTIANELLI ITA PRODINA IRCOS Team                                     Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'08.849 0.908 0.005 14                 137,910                         183,5

6 22 N. KALININ UKR GP Project Team                                                      Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'08.884 0.943 0.035 10                  137,873                        185,1

7 85 K. SABATUCCI ITA PROGP Racing                                                       Yamaha YZF-R3 2'08.897 0.956 0.013 14                          137,859                       189,6

8 55 G. HENDRA PRATAMA INA BIBLION YAMAHA MOTOXRACING      Yamaha YZF-R3 2'09.029 1.088 0.132 13                          137,718                      187,6

9 14 E. DE LA VEGA FRA GP Project Team                                                  Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'09.135 1.194 0.106 12                    137,605                     178,9

10 12 A. RUSMIPUTRO INA Pertamina Almeria BCD by MS Racing        Yamaha YZF-R3 2'09.139 1.198 0.004 13                          137,601                      187,0

11 81 M. GONZALEZ ESP Pertamina Almeria BCD Junior Team by MS  Yamaha YZF-R3 2'09.149 1.208 0.010 14                           137,590                    188,3

12 71 T. EDWARDS AUS Nutec - Benjan - Kawasaki                                   Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'09.204 1.263 0.055 14                    137,531                   189,6

13 41 J. JÄHNIG GER Freudenberg KTM Junior Team                                KTM RC 390 R 2'09.368 1.427 0.164 14                               137,357                   187,6

14 8 M. PEREZ ESP Kawasaki ParkinGO Team                                           Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'09.457 1.516 0.089 11                      137,263                  181,3 

15 69 M. HERRERA ESP BCD Yamaha MS Racing                                         Yamaha YZF-R3 2'09.741 1.800 0.284 13 136,962 184,4

16 43 L. GRUNWALD GER Freudenberg KTM WorldSSP Team                KTM RC 390 R 2'09.805 1.864 0.064 14 136,895 188,3

17 20 D. LOUREIRO RSA DS Junior Team                                                    Kawasaki Ninja 400 2'09.809 1.868 0.004 13 136,890 184,7

18 33 D. VALLE ESP BCD Yamaha MS Racing                                              Yamaha YZF-R3 2'09.866 1.925 0.057 13 136,830 181,9

19 99 P. GRASSIA ITA BIBLION YAMAHA MOTOXRACING                         Yamaha YZF-R3 2'09.938 1.997 0.072 13 136,754 181,6

20 97 M. KAPPLER GER Freudenberg KTM WorldSSP Team                    KTM RC 390 R 2'09.956 2.015 0.018 14 136,736 189,6

 

Well done Ana........

 

https://www.motorsport.com/supersport/news/carrasco-takes-historic-points-lead-at-imola-1037043/

Ana Carrasco has become the first female in history to lead a motorcycle world championship, after taking a three-point lead with a dominant victory in the Supersport 300 race at Imola.

The former Moto3 points finisher stepped over to the new WorldSS300 series last year, and made history in Portugal when she snatched victory on the line to become the first female ever to win a world championship motorcycle race.   Carrasco – who was fifth in the standings coming to Imola after a sixth and fifth-place finish in the opening two rounds of the 2018 season – made more history on Saturday by becoming the first female to claim pole position.

 

 

 

Edited 14 May, 20188 yr by lol-lol

Good going that. Good on her. 

 

Every bloke loves being shown how to ride by a women, im sure   

 

Forza Ana!!

2 hours ago, fabiamk2SE said:

Good going that. Good on her. 

 

Every bloke loves being shown how to ride by a women, im sure   

 

 

I have all my excuses lined up....

She is much smaller etc but the some of the lads she was racing at 8 stone wet.

Fantastic launch off the grid and drive perfectly.  Must have been a dozen crashes behind her.  She rides intelligently without male hormones which is often a good thing in motor racing.

Edited 14 May, 20188 yr by lol-lol

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

I have all my excuses lined up....

She is much smaller etc but the some of the lads she was racing at 8 stone wet.

Fantastic launch off the grid and drive perfectly.  Must have been a dozen crashes behind her.  She rides intelligently without male hormones which is often a good thing in motor racing.

 

Bet she makes the lads ride faster though, chasin her. 

 

Bet theres a few still chasin her on a night out too  

4 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

I have all my excuses lined up....

She is much smaller etc but the some of the lads she was racing at 8 stone wet.

Fantastic launch off the grid and drive perfectly.  Must have been a dozen crashes behind her.  She rides intelligently without male hormones which is often a good thing in motor racing.

So she's maybe a similar size and weight to Pedrobot?

Giant by comparison.

156 cm and 3 kgs more at 53 kgs.

 

Thinnest i can be is a Rossi like 66 kgs.  Any lighter than that I would dangerously thin at 1.82 m. It is tucking under the bubble that is hard when one is tall but easier to get the centre of weight further off the bike for cornering.

Edited 14 May, 20188 yr by lol-lol

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Giant by comparison.

156 cm and 3 kgs more at 53 kgs.

 

Thinnest i can be is a Rossi like 66 kgs.  Any lighter than that I would dangerously thin at 1.82 m. It is tucking under the bubble that is hard when one is tall but easier to get the centre of weight further off the bike for cornering.

 

5,11 n 10 stone? Jesus. 

 

I dno about weight over the front, id watch out for those grids when walkin to the bike  

On 5/14/2018 at 18:00, fabiamk2SE said:

 

5,11 n 10 stone? Jesus. 

 

I dno about weight over the front, id watch out for those grids when walkin to the bike  

 

Actually 6 footer though I think the weight, 66k kgs,  is  10 stone 5 lbs,  29 inch waist I recall back in those days, sad to say I am half as much again as I was in those days.  

 

Very annoying that tiny people have such an advantage in most forms of bike racing.  Been a good week for us taller and a bit heavier riders with the quite tall, chunky guy ie Peter Hickman, scooping up the senior, reminds me of Dave Jefferies who was a bit of a bigger guy, RIP and all those who lost their lives in this year's TT and previous years.

 

Thankfully the World Support Sport regs have finally be changed for Brno this weekend, wish I had gone as love CZ, they are :-

 

http://www.fim-live.com/en/article/update-to-the-worldsbk-balancing-regulations/

 

FIM and Dorna have announced changes to the balancing regulations in the MOTUL FIM Superbike World Championship category, starting from this weekend’s event at Brno.  After receiving the analysis of the relative performance of the machines, the maximum RPM will be changed before the Brno event as follows:

• The maximum rev limit for BMW, Honda and MV Agusta will increase by 250rpm.
• There will be no changes to the other manufacturers.

The relative performance will continue to be analysed after every third round (excluding after round 12).    The FIM and Dorna have also updated the balancing and weight regulations in the FIM Supersport 300 World Championship. Starting from Brno, the combined weight of bike and rider (in full equipment) will be considered.
 

The minimum Combined Weight for each bike will be as follows: 205kg for Yamaha, 208kg for KTM, and 215kg for Honda and Kawasaki.

For the full details, check the updated 2018 FIM Superbike, Supersport & Supersport 300 World Championship Regulations.

FIM Communications

 

Edited 9 June, 20188 yr by lol-lol

Galang style...

 

This Indonesia rider is something else (cornering he is incredible)......

 

No. Rider                                           Nat Team Bike                                                                                          Gap Rel. Laps Avg Speed Time Max 1

55 Galang. HENDRA PRATAMA     INA BIBLION YAMAHA MOTOXRACING Yamaha YZF-R3                    1'50.517 5 137,658 175,9 2

95 S. DEROUE                                  NED Motoport Kawasaki Kawasaki Ninja 400                                      1'50.861 0.344  0.344 7 137,231 180,3 3

8 M. PEREZ ESP Kawasaki Parkin  GO Team Kawasaki Ninja 400                                                                 1'50.905 0.388 0.044 7 137,177 178,2 4

20 D. LOUREIRO                              RSA DS Junior Team Kawasaki Ninja 400                                               1'51.125 0.608 0.220 7 136,905 181,8 5

81 M. GONZALEZ                            ESP Pertamina Almeria BCD Junior Team by MS Yamaha YZF-R3      1'51.212 0.695 0.087 7 136,798 177,9 6

48 T. BRIANTI                                   ITA Team Runner Bike KTM RC 390 R                                                     1'51.349 0.832 0.137 8 136,630 173,9 7

19 L. BERNARDI                               ITA Team Trasimeno Yamaha YZF-R3                                                     1'51.576 1.059 0.227 7 136,352 176,5 8

33 D. VALLE                                      ESP BCD Yamaha MS Racing Yamaha YZF-R3                                        1'51.691 1.174 0.115 7 136,212 177,0 9

22 N. KALININ                                  UKR GP Project Team Kawasaki Ninja 400                                             1'51.936 1.419 0.245 7 135,913 177,3 10

85 K. SABATUCCI                             ITA PROGP Racing Yamaha YZF-R3                                                          1'52.234 1.717 0.298 7 135,553 175,0 11

17 K. MEUFFELS                              NED KTM Fortron Junior Team KTM RC 390 R                                        1'52.295 1.778 0.061 7 135,479 179,1 12

39 O. BONOLI                                  ITA Team Trasimeno Yamaha YZF-R3                                                      1'52.861 2.344 0.566 7 134,799 172,0

 

Ana C wins the WSS 300 world championship  (on her Kwacker 400)....

 

Jonathon Rea......what a charming fellah and no bike licence!

On 14/05/2018 at 09:13, fabiamk2SE said:

Good going that. Good on her. 

 

Every bloke loves being shown how to ride by a women, im sure   

 

Totally agree 2SE !!!

 

Okay I am going to have a go at the TV commentators and support Carasco.

 

Carasco said the guys were to aggressive and even Freddie Spencer commented that Carasco was too TENTATIVE.

 

Sports in general has to understand the difference between aggression and assertion. Aggression has an out of control element which is unhelpful in every sports including motorcycle racing. Even in boxing if you lose control and are aggressive the muscles tense up and the mind is not focused as effectively as if in an assertive state.

 

The boys lose focus of their goal in the overall race and just duff each other up at every corner which slows them down. It's obvious when qualifying that, if you discount slipstreaming, they follow each other round, nose to tail -  Even Johnnie Rea doesn't do this.

 

Well the boys fall off and Carasco wins - fantastic.

 

 

I hope she gets a good ride next year.

 

John

8 hours ago, john2017 said:

Totally agree 2SE !!!

 

Okay I am going to have a go at the TV commentators and support Carasco.

 

Carasco said the guys were to aggressive and even Freddie Spencer commented that Carasco was too TENTATIVE.

 

Sports in general has to understand the difference between aggression and assertion. Aggression has an out of control element which is unhelpful in every sports including motorcycle racing. Even in boxing if you lose control and are aggressive the muscles tense up and the mind is not focused as effectively as if in an assertive state.

 

The boys lose focus of their goal in the overall race and just duff each other up at every corner which slows them down. It's obvious when qualifying that, if you discount slipstreaming, they follow each other round, nose to tail -  Even Johnnie Rea doesn't do this.

 

Well the boys fall off and Carasco wins - fantastic.

 

 

I hope she gets a good ride next year.

 

John

 

 

Great to see a R3 (like I ride) win the last race and help Ana win the Championship.

 

Ana had to adapt to a big weight change on the Ninja 400 (mid season) as the penalty system was reworked to even up the R3 vs Nija 400 vs RC370 vs CB500, and the rev limit lowering.

 

Not sure Ana would go back to Moto 3 but that is one option I suppose.

 

Edited 5 October, 20187 yr by lol-lol

Series returns at Aragon 

 

Good mix of bikes.

 

 

No. Rider Nat                                               Team Bike                                                                                                      Gap Rel. Laps Avg Speed Class  Time Max

 

1 18 M. GONZALEZ ESP                              Kawasaki ParkinGO Team Kawasaki Ninja 400 A                    2'06.938 8      143,985                 207,3

2 55 G. HENDRA PRATAMA INA                Semakin Di Depan Biblion Motoxracing Yamaha YZF-R3 A   2'06.958 0.020 0.020 8 143,963 203,4

3 64 H. DE CANCELLIS FRA                        Team Trasimeno Yamaha YZF-R3 A                                           2'07.532 0.594 0.574 8 143,315 203,0

4 16 M. LUNA BAYEN ESP                          Kawasaki GP Project Kawasaki Ninja 400 A                              2'07.655 0.717 0.123 8 143,177 206,5

5 5 G. ERILL ESP                                          DEZA - BOX 77 Racing Kawasaki Ninja 400 A                            2'07.726 0.788 0.071 8 143,097 202,2

6 41 J. JAHNIG GER                                     Freudenberg KTM Junior Team KTM RC 390 R A                      2'08.076 1.138 0.350 8 142,706 206,5

7 1 A. CARRASCO ESP                                Kawasaki Provec WorldSSP300 Kawasaki Ninja 400 A            2'08.223 1.285 0.147  8 142,542 208,1

8 28 O. BONOLI ITA                                   Team Trasimeno Yamaha YZF-R3 A                                            2'08.235 1.297 0.012 8 142,529 200,7

Close racing or what........

 

Superbike were good watch too but so sad for Alex Lowes, nightmare weekend starting with being knocked off by Jonny Rea. 

 

Pos Grid No.       Rider Nat Team Bike Class LL                                                                                                                       Gap Rel.  Fastest Lap Speed Qualifying Speed

1      4     18                   M. GONZALEZ ESP Kawasaki ParkinGO Team Kawasaki Ninja 400 A7                                                           1'52.803 187,6 1'52.756 184,8

2      2     42                   M. GARCIA ESP DS Junior Team Kawasaki Ninja 400 A7                                                              0.019 0.019   1'53.002 189,9 1'52.570 188,9

3      5     1                     A. CARRASCO ESP Kawasaki Provec WorldSSP300 Kawasaki Ninja 400 A 7                           0.048 0.029   1'52.970 193,2 1'52.794 191,2

4      3     55                   G. HENDRA PRATAMA INA Semakin Di Depan Biblion Motoxracing Yamaha YZF-R3 A7  0.100 0.052    1'52.922 193,2 1'52.724 188,6

5      1     72                   V. STEEMAN NED Freudenberg KTM Junior Team KTM RC 390 R B 7                                       0.223 0.123    1'53.143 193,8 1'52.199 189,2