I'm looking to upgrade the turbo when mine goes bang, I'd be aiming for around 220-240 bhp. And with the amount of turbos I'm looking for abit of guidance, would the best bet be a hybrid or go the whole hog with a gtb2260 both with supporting mods? Cheers

For 230bhp go for gtb1756vk

For 260bhp go for gtb2260vk

Gtb2260 will be a little over kill. That will get you 250+ with supporting mods.

I have a hybrid pd150 and am at 224bhp and 360 ft lbs torque.

Just so I can plan my finances, supporting engine mods; fmic, exhaust, remap and clutch anything crucial I'm missing out?

Edited 29 November, 201510 yr by callumwool

Oil cooler, brakes if not done already (if taking on the track regularly), suspension, RARB if not done already, supporting pipework and decent clips.

Brakes and coilovers should be going on this week, If I went for 2260 would injectors need doing aswell. Sorry to bombard everyone with tons of questions

Budget for a diff as well. All worth going for bigger power, but being able to put it down makes a massive difference.

It's down the money.

Big GTB turbo needs other bits and pieces, exhaust welding, oil feed and return etc...

Which would then need...

A nice large FMIC

Which would then need...

Performance exhaust of some description, decat etc

Which would then need...

An uprated clutch and flywheel, whichever you choose for whatever power you want.

Which would then need...

Larger injectors + work involved with changing them.

Which would then need...

A LSD for the gearbox, a must with GTB turbos and injectors.

So, how deep are your pockets?

Haha can see this getting out of hand, the Mrs leaving but a monster fabia hmmm decisionsn

Depends if you want a road car that will go in a straight line nicely and not much else, or if you want something that will be good round track.

 

After having had or been in a few cars with hybrids and both variant GTB's fitted, I wouldn't waste your money on a hybrid. For a track that doesn't have long straights then a GTB1756vk would be ideal due to its quick spool. A quicker track and a GTB2260vk would be your best bet due to its top end power.

 

If you DO want a car you can track, then I would build upwards with the correct mods first, rather than just go balls out for the biggest turbo! I did it the wrong way round and I only took it on-track the other day due to being worried about not being able to make the corners due to a lack of LSD and decent brakes. LSD is one of the best mods you can do to the car. It will really help you put that power down coming out of the corners.

 

As for the uprated injector route.... this is a huge point of debate on here. However, I have just done a track day at Oulton giving it the beans for over 10 laps without stopping, and my EGT's never got over 700 degrees. So standard nozzles are fine in my opinion. Running a 1756 I would advise more caution regarding this however.

Edited 29 November, 201510 yr by alex_e3

GTB is great, power is very smooth, nice strong and reliable, depending which size, good for high numbers.

A hybrid such as GT1756, will bolt straight on with virtually no changes. Remove the cat, put a s2000 air filter on and remap to 190/200bhp?

Or put a fmic and push it abit more.

Keep the standard injectors, clutch, flywheel, diff etc. I think 220bhp is a sweet spot for mild tuning on a daily driver car easily achievable without much work and money.

Thanks for all the comments, think it looks like a 1756 will be the best option for what I want. Wish I had time for track days it'll be mainly used for the commute and every now and again chasing my brothers insignia vxr around the Cumbrian hills

A GTB1756vk makes for a fantastic road going car without doubt. It's not all about peak numbers!

 

As Hutchy says above though, they are trickier to fit than a bolt on hybrid which is simply a straight swap. Not difficult to fit as such, just a bit more custom work required.

 

LSD is still fantastic for the road, but not as much chance to use it as on the track. If you're frequently pushing it that much on the road then your car may not last long anyway!!

Why do people bang on about must do suspension brakes first? I'd put money on a more experience driver being able to stop quicker and go round corner faster on a stock setup than someone with 312mm and entry level coilovers.

A stock vRS probably stops quicker than most performance saloon cars of the 90's.

A stock gt1749vb from a arl pd150 is good for 190-195bhp at 1.7bar and bolts straight on. Fmic is required and a fresh clutch.

I would only alter th exhaust if you went for a gtb2260vk in which I'd use a 2.5ich back.

I've seen many hybrids which come on boost later than a GTB2260vk so be careful who you buy off. I'd recommend turbo dynamics. But then at that price you could go gtb1756vk.

Why do people bang on about must do suspension brakes first? I'd put money on a more experience driver being able to stop quicker and go round corner faster on a stock setup than someone with 312mm and entry level coilovers.

A stock vRS probably stops quicker than most performance saloon cars of the 90's.

A stock gt1749vb from a arl pd150 is good for 190-195bhp at 1.7bar and bolts straight on. Fmic is required and a fresh clutch.

I would only alter th exhaust if you went for a gtb2260vk in which I'd use a 2.5ich back.

I've seen many hybrids which come on boost later than a GTB2260vk so be careful who you buy off. I'd recommend turbo dynamics. But then at that price you could go gtb1756vk.

My Fab easily out braked my 96 240bhp Jag XJ both totally standard, since upgraded discs pads and fluid and Jag would be better now but yeah the point is very valid

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Why do people bang on about must do suspension brakes first? I'd put money on a more experience driver being able to stop quicker and go round corner faster on a stock setup than someone with 312mm and entry level coilovers.

A stock vRS probably stops quicker than most performance saloon cars of the 90's.

A stock gt1749vb from a arl pd150 is good for 190-195bhp at 1.7bar and bolts straight on. Fmic is required and a fresh clutch.

I would only alter th exhaust if you went for a gtb2260vk in which I'd use a 2.5ich back.

I've seen many hybrids which come on boost later than a GTB2260vk so be careful who you buy off. I'd recommend turbo dynamics. But then at that price you could go gtb1756vk.

 

For motorway driving and wanting a little bit more oomph, that's good advice.

 

However, the standard brakes do fade rather badly after being used 3-4 times for reasonably heavy braking on the road.

 

I would agree though, that simply lowering it on cheapo coilos is a bad idea if cross country or track-day pace is the ambition. I spent over £500 in 2006 having the Eibach springs and dampers fitted as part of a Jabbasport group buy. I'd argue that you need to round that up for inflation and spend that on parts alone to get a sports suspension that might approach OEM longevity. I also have the Jabba RARB, which is great, apart from when it can be terrifying.

 

As these cars are getting ever longer in the tooth, it's probably saner to add a few simple upgrades and a minor remap than to go the whole hog with expensive and larger turbos and the "mandatory" extras needed to make it work.

 

A far better starting point for a diesel track car would be a MK4/5 Jetta/Golf or an A3 2.0 PD140. See how Darkside are doing with theirs.

 

J.

 

EDIT: For sound and soul of exhaust note, an A5 3.0 V6 with a proper sports exhaust is quite uplifting.

Edited 30 November, 201510 yr by vindaloo

If your on a budget then a hybrid pd150 will be fine. I'm running 226bhp and 366lbft. And it I pretty nippy.

The standard brake are shocking after a few heaavy stops and the 312mm can be picked up for a little over £100 theses days.

Aas for the suspension yes it rolls a bit but I found it does grip pretty well,you have to do the slow in fast out approach though. To fast In the thing just understeers. But £500 on decent coilovers and arb Wil make a huge difference.

The LSD imo is the best mod though but also one of the most expensive. But it does let you sling shot out a corner at ridiculous speeds.

Lol at everyone "needing " massive brakes. I'm stage rallying mine on tarmac with std 288 brakes and decent pads mintex 1155.only ever had brake fade on one event and that would be pushing the brakes far harder than a track day.

Just adding more unsprung weight with bigger stuff really.

Even the old cosworth had smaller disks as std and was heavier and faster lol.

But Yeh a good lsd would make the car so much nicer to drive even on the road the difference is night and day.

Edited 30 November, 201510 yr by felicia16v

Lol at everyone "needing " massive brakes. I'm stage rallying mine on tarmac with std 288 brakes and decent pads mintex 1155.only ever had brake fade on one event and that would be pushing the brakes far harder than a track day.

Just adding more unsprung weight with bigger stuff really.

Even the old cosworth had smaller disks as std and was heavier and faster lol.

Exactly, my VRS got hammered for the few days and no brake issues, decent discs pads and fluid and no issues

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Go big turbo not hybrid

You in Cumbria? Plenty of hybrid etc knocking about.

If I was going to gtb2260 I wouldn't bother unless putting bigger nozzles in to take advantage of them, your really pushing them at 250+.

You in Cumbria? Plenty of hybrid etc knocking about.

If I was going to gtb2260 I wouldn't bother unless putting bigger nozzles in to take advantage of them, your really pushing them at 250+.

 

I live in warrington, but originally from barrow. Ideally looking for a motorway cruiser but something i can blast around the B roads in.

But Yeh a good lad would make the car so much nicer to drive even on the road the difference is night and day.

 

Spent a minute wondering WTF a "lad" was..... Had to resort to carefully reading prior posts.... I guess it's LSD.    (Which is ironic as it's mind altering, not type altering, we've got auto-correct to blame for that. )

A modded fabia is poor cruiser on motorways apart from Mpg and bit of grunt, once you drive a half decent saloon.

Edited 30 November, 201510 yr by ajs_vrs