If you pull the '+' paddle from a couple of seconds it turns the manual mode back off again - hence 'Off' on the right hand paddle. I only discovered this a week ago.......

Congratulations, you are learning the wonders of "DSG"!

 

DC

 

PS, it's "supposed" to return to normal "D" mode after a predetermined time period if no other paddle commands are made, but you should check your handbook 

for the latest / up-to-date info. It's possible that the car "knows" that you are descending from the GPS data from the Columbus..

Yeah I think it's 15 seconds ? I wonder if the car has sensors that can detect the gradient like my Scout had for hill hold ? If it has then if you drop down a gear for a hill it would know when you've bottomed out and drop back into auto mode. I've just tested this and that's what appears to happen.

I dont have paddles and usually just let the the dsg do its thing. It will change down and hold going down hill but is speed dependant as far as I can determine.

 

We have one or two reasonably steep inclines in a 30 mph limit around here and it always drops down to 3rd without me doing anything.

Yeah I think it's 15 seconds ? I wonder if the car has sensors that can detect the gradient like my Scout had for hill hold ? If it has then if you drop down a gear for a hill it would know when you've bottomed out and drop back into auto mode. I've just tested this and that's what appears to happen.

 

Yeah I think it's 15 seconds ? I wonder if the car has sensors that can detect the gradient like my Scout had for hill hold ? If it has then if you drop down a gear for a hill it would know when you've bottomed out and drop back into auto mode. I've just tested this and that's what appears to happen.

Very possible, I'm sure that VAG keeps upgrading the DSG software. There aren't that many steep hills in South Essex for me to experiment on! But all our car's change up / down when & where you'd expect if you were shifting yourself. Note to self, find a steep hill, somewhere, & leave the paddles alone.........

 

DC

Coming back from S Wales yesterday I found that if I gently 'trailed' the brakes to hold a certain speed, the box then changed down to take over after a few seconds.

Edited 28 December, 201510 yr by FelisBengalensis

....... Sport on the 170CR diesel is pointless as it holds the revs above where the diesel needs a higher gear to sustain the acceleration. I do use Sport to obtain and hold a lower gear on long descents.

.......

 

I took a superb out before Christmas and was very pleasantly surprised to find they seemed to have fixed this in the 190 DSG sport mode (via the shifter stick).

 

As with my VRS (184CR) it hangs on much too long but the sport on the superb accelerated through the gears and changed up earlier than the VRS would.  It also dropped the gears down to sensible choices once I took my foot off the accelerator while still in sport.  The Octavia would still be revving its nuts off at this point in mine :(

 

Im hoping they someday apply this DSG software to the Octavia in the future...

I have current vrs 170 cr, and you are spot on the car in sport mode holds on too long. Reassured to know the new superb feels better in sport mode. I get mine 190 TDI superb in 3 weeks

This will be my first DSG - coupled to the CR190 so I've added the paddles as a safety measure, in case I miss the manual box a little too much ☺️. Besides, they might be good fun on B road blasts.

A few of the posts seem to indicate that some owners need to read the user manual!  There is also a wealth of info on the internet on how the DSG operates and how to get the best out of it.

 

Judging by their driving a couple of my friends, with DSG fitted in their cars, seem to have spent more time reading about their in-car stereos than they have about the DSG! :wonder:

A few of the posts seem to indicate that some owners need to read the user manual!  There is also a wealth of info on the internet on how the DSG operates and how to get the best out of it.

 

Judging by their driving a couple of my friends, with DSG fitted in their cars, seem to have spent more time reading about their in-car stereos than they have about the DSG! :wonder:

Any particular suggestions for Googleing ?

 

I've not seen or read any of the current manuals, have there been any significant changes to the 6-speed DSG in the last 3/4 years?

 

TIA, DC.

Any particular suggestions for Googleing ?

 

I've not seen or read any of the current manuals, have there been any significant changes to the 6-speed DSG in the last 3/4 years?

 

TIA, DC.

The only changes I know of are the additional of the free-wheeling function (or is that only on the 7-speed dry clutch version of the DSG?) and the selector lever being a different shape with the engagement lock being on the front rather than at the side.  I have really concentrated on learning about the DSG in my own 2012 car.

 

A search on Youtube for 'DSG gearbox' will bring up a choice of numerous videos.

I leave mine in auto (D or S) all the time, I think the paddles have only been used a couple of times purely when I am getting ready to overtake another car.

I didn't spec the paddles for just this reason based on my experience with a previous car with paddles.

 

If I want to drive semi manually I simply switch into 'manual' by pushing the selector to the left from the D position and use the tiptronic function. Outcome is just the same as flicking paddles at no extra cost.

 

As an old reprobate who habitually drives with elbow on the central arm rest and hand resting on the gear lever (yes I know) it is always more comfortable for me to use the tiptronic anyway.

I have found the 'eco' setting to be best, the box 'freewheels' when it can, saving fuel and running more quietly and if you want to get a move on it's easy to flick the lever into 'sport' mode.

 

I never drive an auto box in manual, can't see the point, a modern box probably knows which gear it should be in better than me, that's why I did not order paddles, had them on my last E class used them once to see how they worked and never touched them again!

Edited 4 January, 201610 yr by philsmith

Im getting into it now.... On an average journey i'll be using all modes.

I agree about the eco setting but only use it when poodling around town. I can't check right now but I am pretty certain that eco setting switches some stuff off by default. Intelligent light settings etc??

The other thing that I notice is the re-connection can be a bit severe at times, the slightest touch on the accelerator and the box suddenly 'lumps' back into full gear.

There is an eco setting for the lights but this is separate.

Have not noticed the re-connection being anything other than smooth.

Eco does turn stuff off, but it doesn't save fuel. Modern injected engines turn fuel off when coasting or on the overrun - and have done since at least the 1980s. In Eco the engine is left idling so still using fuel! I found my mpg was worse in Eco - and the ride terrible (I have yet to set a personal profile up) so apart from trying it for a couple of days have never used it again.

If anything the only way I can see that Eco might save fuel is because electrical/engine load is shed because equipment is turned off. IMHO it's a gimmick.

When in ECO mode (not available when towing a trailer or when another accessory is connected to the trailer socket) :

- Engine / drive:        "freewheels" when no acceleration + START-STOP system is activated if manually deactivated before

- ACC:                       slower acceleration

- Air conditioning:      AC is working on partial load --> longer cooling time

- Dynamic cornering lights:     All dynamic functions are turned off. Cornering function is still active.

 

In some cases ECO mode can actually consume more fuel. When "freewheeling" engine requires fuel not to stall (there is some consumption). When you are braking with engine there is no fuel consumption as engine is turning through moving (reverse from acceleration) - this is why car is "braking" when in gear and no acceleration is made.

Interesting stuff. I had never thought about how it worked. I was attracted to it as it does appear to give a much smoother gearbox activity similar to a manual when in stop/start traffic. I find if in full auto the box seems to search/change up and down far too much and that results in a rather jerky progress sometimes.

The sharp re-connection I mentioned earlier is definitely there in eco. It happens if you are 'coasting' at low speed and the box wants to select 2nd or 3rd when you touch the go pedal. A pretty sharp change down effect rather like selecting a lower gear too early. Anyone else noticed that or have I got a potential fault here?

 

However, prompted by the earlier post I did some checking on the way home this evening. mpg was indeeed slightly worse when running thru town in eco. I switched back to normal and the mpg increased slightly! (2 to 3 mpg indicated). Similar road conditions but obviously not very scientific testing but still a counter intuitive result; that is until I sat and thought about it as Felis has explained.

 

I have switched to using tiptronic in town and that gives me smother progress for now.

So I'm just curious - does anyone regret opting for DSG over manual?

So I'm just curious - does anyone regret opting for DSG over manual?

no

I bought a 280. I think my brain dismisses the 'Eco' mode setting as a viable option.

So I'm just curious - does anyone regret opting for DSG over manual?

No way, my Company Octavia SE Business DSG just confirmed to me how good the DSG Box is, 11K of faultless driving, now I have it on my new Superb SEL Ex, love it.

So I'm just curious - does anyone regret opting for DSG over manual?

No regret in getting DSG ,do not listen to all the so called experts ,let the automatic box do it job in selecting gears and enjoy the benefits of ACC and Hill Hold which work better with an automatic box.

So I'm just curious - does anyone regret opting for DSG over manual?

Not at all, instant "go" available without having to work for it, a nice lazy drive when that's just what you want with manual override, when you feel the need or desire to play!

 

FWIW I can compare two Octy 2 vRS's & the DSG is much more fun.

 

My dear old Dad asked me (long, long time ago) why do cars have three pedals when we only have two feet, & although we could all answer the question, he had a good point.

 

The DSG twin-clutch transmission isn't perfect, but it's better than most (affordable) automatics with very little real detriment to performance or economy. 

 

(Please note, that since all our cars burn petrol, it's probably obvious we aren't too bothered about saving pennies, we want to enjoy our cars until we get too old to drive safely.)  

 

DC