Topic probably been done to death so apologies! Seems to be some long debates online about this topic but with nothing really conclusive. 

 

I know both are approved for use in the PD engine and the 505.01 5w-40 was the original spec but is the newer 507.00 5w-30 spec actually any better in a 1.9 PD? And are there any advantages or disadvantages for either oil?! 

 

What do you use in your 1.9 PD's or are you even bothered as long it meets one of the above specs? 

I've been told by Skoda master techs that either oil is fine for the engines so long as it meets the 505.1 or 507 specifications

I always use quantum oil. There was a sale on ebay of the 5w40 stuff at £15/5L as its being phased out so i bought a few bottles. I usually use the 5w30 longlife III otherwise

Andy

So the 5w-40 Quantum PD oil is being phased out? Likely they'll only be stocking the 5w30 507 spec for the PD engines along with all the other VAG diesels, less complicated I guess! So the PD 505.01 spec is becoming obsolete? Would the slightly lower viscosity w30 cause an increase in oil consumption and you'd think the oil film would be thinner between critical engine parts ie camshaft + lobes compared to the w40 oil, tbh I'm not really sure if there is too much difference between w30 & w40? 

Had a crack with Colin at Millers Oils and he said that either can be used but they would always recommend the 5w40 PD spec oil so I decided to buy some Millers EE longlife nanodrive 5w40 for it's service next week. Supposedly up to 32% less friction on moving parts so should see slightly better MPG and a bit more power! Hmmm we'll see... 

This was some years ago, and was 4.2 RS6s (we use the same spec oil!)

Dear Mr. Turcu,

thank you very much for your message. Most oil companies have been phasing out engine oil according to VW specification 50501 because of the low demand. This oil was once meant to be used in heavy duty Diesel engines but due to its outstanding shear stability under high temperature we decided to use it for the RS 6 V8 twin turbo engine. The main reason for this move was the position of the turbo chargers which are pretty far located from the engine block and therefore from the oil supplying pump. After driving under extreme conditions, e.g. with high speed or under high load for a longer period of time and very high outside temperature, the oil pressure could drop to low levels when going back to idle.

Theoretically, engine oil to VW specification 50500 is not able to compensate the attributes of VW 50501 but the viscosity range of 0W-40 will stabilize oil pressure when the engine and turbo chargers are extremely hot. Hence, potential engine damage is not really an issue if VW 50500 is being used and there is no necessity to do drain this oil immediately.

The official substitute of VW specification 50501 is actually VW 50400, even it is mostly available in 5W-30, for example but without official endorsement MOBIL 1 ESP FORMULA 5W-30. We recommend to use VW 50400 when the next engine oil service is due (every 15000 km).

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Edited 19 February, 201610 yr by Jamie Geraghty

Topic probably been done to death so apologies! Seems to be some long debates online about this topic but with nothing really conclusive. 

 

I know both are approved for use in the PD engine and the 505.01 5w-40 was the original spec but is the newer 507.00 5w-30 spec actually any better in a 1.9 PD? And are there any advantages or disadvantages for either oil?! 

 

What do you use in your 1.9 PD's or are you even bothered as long it meets one of the above specs? 

 

It's the additive pack in the oil that's important, not the viscosity, as long as the oil meets the VW standard for PD engines then it's fine. There really isn't anything else to say. Use whatever you want.

There's still loads of PD's in service so I doubt they'll phase the 505.01 spec out just yet? If they do then it'll be the VW 507.00 oil only.

 

Always unsure what oil to buy as so many to choose from under the VW specs, and then wondering whether to stick with the original PD spec or use the 507.00 as it may offer better protection as it's a newer and possibly more advanced oil?! 

 

Anyway as above I've ordered some Millers 5w40 so I'll see what that's like. 

Good choice.

Found this article about a test conducted on a 2006 Jetta 1.9 TDI using Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 which is VW 507 spec, the car was run up to 225,000 KM with oil changes every 16,000 KM. Looks like a pretty good result with this oil but probably not really representative of real world driving conditions and it may not even be 100% true! 

 

http://www.wp-automotive.co.uk/res/4601_P_Diesel%20Eng_Adv_IC.pdf

To be worthy of consideration, they needed to do a control where another identical engine was run on the same usage pattern on e.g. Quantum oil of the appropriate spec, and then compare the two.

With the advances in engine oil any decent oil meeting the correct VW specs would probably perform the same. I guess the test goes some way to show that the VW 507 spec oil is more than adequate for use in the PD engines as I know this subject is the cause for some debates across VAG motoring forums.  

Oh, I see; I didn't know of that debate. Embarassing really considering it's the whole point of the thread!

 

As you say though, it's not at all clear how realistic their usage pattern was in that test. Did they really run it for a few minutes/tens of minutes, then let it cool right down, and repeat?  That would have taken a hell of a long time.

Edited 11 March, 201610 yr by Wino

If I remember right I used a newer version than 507 check my other topics as I asked this question before and there's a newer standard you can use if you so wish.

A newer version than the VW 507, what is it? Can't see anything oil related on your profile topics

Edited 11 March, 201610 yr by VRSD30

Here goes...

Just been to my local TPS for oil, filters etc for my 2006 vrs. They had an offer on quantum platinum and longlife. I thought sod it I'll treat her to the longlife.

The TPS guy advised me not to. He stated that current advice if you've been using the 505.01 is NOT to go " up " to the 507 especially in an older car.

Make of that what you want, so I'm continuing to use the platinum 505.01

Interesting, what reason did he give for not upgrading to the VW 507?

 

Found an oil comparison tool and you can look at various oils specs from different manufacturers and how they compare to previous specs. Not saying it's correct but the 507 oil according to this is superior to the 505.01 but as the 507 oils have been developed to serve long drain intervals then probably no surprise.

 

 

 

More +++ means the oil performs better

 

Edited 11 March, 201610 yr by VRSD30

507 is perfectly fine to replace 505.01

Interesting, what reason did he give for not upgrading to the VW 507?

Found an oil comparison tool and you can look at various oils specs from different manufacturers and how they compare to previous specs. Not saying it's correct but the 507 oil according to this is superior to the 505.01 but as the 507 oils have been developed to serve long drain intervals then probably no surprise.

507.PNG

More +++ means the oil performs better

50712.PNG

I've been using both types of and off for the last 7 years with fabia vrs's.

The TPS guy said it was new updated information.

If you've been using the platinum then you shouldn't go " up " to the longlife.

However you can go " back " to the 505.1 if that is the minimum required by your engine.

Could it be something to do with viscosity?

I didn't argue, the platinum worked out at 15 quid for five litres ( if you bought 4) !

Double post. Edited!

Edited 11 March, 201610 yr by chris-H

Updated info from where I wonder? I've not seen or heard anything yet.

 

If you've been using platinum you shouldn't go onto the longlife oil, and if you've been using longlife oil you can keep using it or switch back to platinum? 

 

The 505.01 is the minimum spec for the PD engines, at face value the charts I posted above show the 507 outperforms the previous spec for wear, sludge, piston deposits and oxidative thickening. 

 

The viscosity difference isn't that much between both oils, the 5w30 Longlife has a cST viscosity @ 100c of 12.1 and the 5w40 platinum cST @ 100c is 13. Longlife oil is .5 off being w40 and the platinum is .5 away from a w30 grade. 

 

My old vRS was run on longlife oil to over 140k miles, never missed a beat and barely used any oil.

Edited 11 March, 201610 yr by VRSD30

If you Don't need to use low saps oil don't use it. Go for full saps 5w40. Millers is good option but consider penrite enviro+ 5w40 as well

A lot of the 5w40 oils are now low to mid SAPS and carry some specs for BMW LL04 and MB longlife oil requirements. The Quantum Platinum 5w40 spec sheet says low ash for DPF vehicles but not suitable for variable service intervals. 

Interesting, what reason did he give for not upgrading to the VW 507?

 

Found an oil comparison tool and you can look at various oils specs from different manufacturers and how they compare to previous specs. Not saying it's correct but the 507 oil according to this is superior to the 505.01 but as the 507 oils have been developed to serve long drain intervals then probably no surprise.

 

507.PNG

 

More +++ means the oil performs better

 

50712.PNG

Been doing some more digging and found some further info. 

 

505.01 vs 507 on the image below shows that the VW507 oil standard is *possibly* made up using higher quality base stocks, I imagine the bulk is group III or in Mobil 1's case they use what is apparently unique to them a group III+ (visom) and recently GTL (gas to liquid) with a smaller percentage of group IV & possibly group V (if at all)  used in 507 spec, + a higher additive package for 507 which will be due to the requirements of the oil to reach extended drain intervals. The total base number is slightly higher for the 505.01 oils but I think (not sure) that will be depleted faster over the drain interval compared to a longlife oil which will need to string it out as long as possible and be able to stay in grade. Some reckon oils approved to the VW 507 standard go through a lengthy 650 hour wear test to get VW's approval vs 250 hours for the 505.01 oils although I'm not 100% sure on this. 

 

Either oil will be absolutely fine in the PD engines so it's down to personal preference, I would stick with approved oils as they have undergone the relevant VW tests and met each parameter to get approval but this obviously will come at a cost and not every oil manufacturer will submit their oils for the approval test, hence they will say 'meets requirements' or 'recommended for' instead of 'approved' but that doesn't mean the oil isn't up to the job and some may even exceed the requirements set by VW. 

 

My vRS now has Mobil 1 ESP in the sump  :p

 

 

Edited 14 March, 201610 yr by VRSD30

Good work fella.

Thanks

 

Whether or not it's 100% accurate is the question...