The Nissan & Renault Diesel Euro 5 engines are among those named and shamed by the German Government as high emission engines.

The Renault 1.5 is under investigation on the Ambient temperatures when the Emission Control is inhibited,

so 'All in it together' or All at it really.

I went from a 1.8tsi to a 1.4tsi and find the acceleration to be about the same. All things being equal the 1.4tsi should make the Yeti significantly lighter [ less tyre wear perhaps? ]. The 1.4tsi has a much broader torque band, in comparison the 1.8tsi was peaky. The 1.4tsi is much smoother and quieter, with a better balanced clutch/gearbox operation. Better fuel economy and under-bonnet  access is also a bonus. It should be remembered  the 1.4tsi is a completely new engine design, not a scaled down version of the 1.8tsi. I loved the 1.8tsi at the time but would not go back to it for any price. Significant progress has been made in petrol engine design in my view.

That's very good to hear - ours must only be days away now!

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I went from a 1.8tsi to a 1.4tsi and find the acceleration to be about the same. All things being equal the 1.4tsi should make the Yeti significantly lighter .....

Significant progress has been made in petrol engine design in my view.

Absolutely!

I went from a 1.8tsi to a 1.4tsi and find the acceleration to be about the same. All things being equal the 1.4tsi should make the Yeti significantly lighter [ less tyre wear perhaps? ]. The 1.4tsi has a much broader torque band, in comparison the 1.8tsi was peaky. The 1.4tsi is much smoother and quieter, with a better balanced clutch/gearbox operation. Better fuel economy and under-bonnet  access is also a bonus. It should be remembered  the 1.4tsi is a completely new engine design, not a scaled down version of the 1.8tsi. I loved the 1.8tsi at the time but would not go back to it for any price. Significant progress has been made in petrol engine design in my view.

 

The EA211 1.4tsi is indeed a completely new engine. Many things are different but the engine is designed for very quick warm up.It is mounted at a slightly different angle with the exhaust manifold  now being at the rear of the engine (bulkhead side) and it is now fitted with a long life cam belt and some versions have the ACT cylinder deactivation technology. 

 

I still have the old EA111 1.4tsi but must admit my next purchase will probably have the EA211. 

 

However, don't ignore the latest 1.8tsi in other cars. The latest version looks interesting and has two sets of fuel injectors (direct and port) which are designed to reduce particulate emissions without the need of a GPF (Euro 6c 2017). It also has the good side effect of washing petrol past the valves when using port injection - solving carbon buildup on valves (a problem with many direct injection engines - including some diesels) .

 

Most of the later direct petrol injection engines also don't have an EGR valve - this function is performed by some magic with the variable valve timing

Edited 27 April, 201610 yr by bigjohn

^^^^^ I would have thought the port injection was to keep the inlet valves clean.

To what extent are particulates a problem in petrol engines?.

In any case it seems to me that we are complicating the reciprocating engine to an early grave if total ownership costs are to be considered .

To answer my own question......only for those truly interested in the combustion engine

http://articles.sae.org/13624/

Looking at the Yeti website on the Skoda Global website, it seems there's two variants of the 1.4 TSI engine.

 

* 1.4l/110kW TSI - 150HP - 4x4

* 1.4l/92kW TSI - 125HP

 

It would seem that you folks in the UK don't get the 1.4/92kW model at all, and only the 1.4/110kW.

 

While here in Australia we don't get the 1.4/110kW 4x4 model, and only the 1.4/92kW model.

Looking at the Yeti website on the Skoda Global website, it seems there's two variants of the 1.4 TSI engine.

 

* 1.4l/110kW TSI - 150HP - 4x4

* 1.4l/92kW TSI - 125HP

 

It would seem that you folks in the UK don't get the 1.4/92kW model at all, and only the 1.4/110kW.

 

While here in Australia we don't get the 1.4/110kW 4x4 model, and only the 1.4/92kW model.

Yet?.

Maybe we're were they dispose of old stock.

Yet?.

Maybe we're were they dispose of old stock.

 

Nah, that's definitely not it... Looking at the Czech site, they have both the 1.4/92kW and 1.4/110kW 4x4 listed.

 

I think it's just Skoda/VW surveying the local market in Australia and assuming that nobody is going to buy a 4x4 petrol and only a 4x4 diesel. With the withdrawal of the 2.0l TDI from the market, that leaves us with only the 1.2l and 1.4l TSI Yeti models in Australia.

On second thoughts, probably to protect the Tig from market competition from the VAG stable and kept for series II Yeti.

Agree with bigjohn about the latest 1.8tsi being well worth a try. I don't know about right now, but last summer there was not a VAG 4x4 being marketed in the UK with that engine.The importers in their wisdom seem to believe there is no market? It will be very interesting to see how this all pans out!

I fuel prices stay low for much longer they might revise their engine mix.

The Saudis are diversifying out of oil with their national investment strategy which gives hope for low price stability.

They know the electric motor is fast approaching.

Albeit quietly!

...the dealer was able to give me a test drive in a Superb demonstrator with the same engine. My concerns were allayed - if it could pull a far heavier Superb as it did!

Don't have the figures to hand - but seem to remember looking at kerb weights of the Superb 3 and being surprised how little difference there was compared to my (170 4x4) Yeti. Seem to remember both were in the 1500kg ballpark.

I fuel prices stay low for much longer they might revise their engine mix.

The Saudis are diversifying out of oil with their national investment strategy which gives hope for low price stability.

They know the electric motor is fast approaching.

Alas - fuel prices have crept up 10p in the past few weeks - I think the days of 'milk and honey' may be past.

^^^^^ I would have thought the port injection was to keep the inlet valves clean.

To what extent are particulates a problem in petrol engines?.

In any case it seems to me that we are complicating the reciprocating engine to an early grave if total ownership costs are to be considered .

 

Direct injection petrol car particulate emissions much worse than diesel cars fitted with DPF's (With old style less economical port injection engines particulates are classed as very low or negligable)

 

This is to be addressed with Euro 6 ( c ) . Particulate emissions can be reduced with differing injection types/techniques  and /or using a Gasoline Particulate Filter 

 

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/01/2014014-audi.html

 

Fortunately with the latest version of the EA888 the addition of the second set of port injectors should improve the reliability/ longevity of the engine. It should also be noted when GPF's are introduced they should be more reliable than DPF's due to the hotter petrol combustion temperatures (passive regen only)

Edited 28 April, 201610 yr by bigjohn

Alas - fuel prices have crept up 10p in the past few weeks - I think the days of 'milk and honey' may be past.

Only 2 days ago I read of the potential for $US5 WTI , I guess on the basis of Iranian oil from July.

The current volatility seems to be more about speculators 'covering' their position.

Monday will be the first trading day of the month which might give a short term pointer at least.

The mothballed rigs are ready to oversupply if prices trending up.

The fundamentals don't support old high oil prices.

))))

Only 2 days ago I read of the potential for $US5 WTI , I guess on the basis of Iranian oil from July.

The current volatility seems to be more about speculators 'covering' their position.

Monday will be the first trading day of the month which might give a short term pointer at least.

The mothballed rigs are ready to oversupply if prices trending up.

The fundamentals don't support old high oil prices.

))))

Interesting to see how it pans out then. I've friends in the oil business struggling for work so it could be back to the rigs for them!

Interesting to see how it pans out then. I've friends in the oil business struggling for work so it could be back to the rigs for them!

I should imagine the companies that have withdrawn are working on reducing their production costs in the mean time and might well come back in at lower levels than previously calculated.

The potential for oversupply is a constant threat it seems.

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The UK might see a return to performance choices incl the 1.8 in the same way Americans have gone back to 'trucks'.

I should imagine the companies that have withdrawn are working on reducing their production costs in the mean time and might well come back in at lower levels than previously calculated.

The potential for oversupply is a constant threat it seems.

Back OT

The UK might see a return to performance choices incl the 1.8 in the same way Americans have gone back to 'trucks'.

In the UK, we are soon to see a change in the registration and tax rules that will act as a big disincentive to performance choices with high emissions. The appetite for diesel is also wearing thin due to Nox and its impact in built up areas.

I can certainly see petrol coming back into favour with the latest generation small turbo engines with high power output for their size and hybrid and electric becoming more prevalent. But the days of large normally aspirated engines are history. Reading all this and I can't wait for the new car to arrive in the next week or so.

Yes. I bought my petrol TT as a keeper and when the Yeti comes up to the end of its warranty in a couple of year's time (was going to keep but unlikely now as per our previous discussions on the risks and potential costs of longer term diesel ownership) will probably looking at either at the smaller petrol option or hybrid, which would be nice as something different, as long as the prices have become more realistic/affordable. 

Edited 29 April, 201610 yr by VAGCF

Hybrid etc prices are all a function of unit cost......they'll inevitably fall over time.