Two actually:

 

1) Are there any bikes that have automatic transmission? (Not counting "shed-jobs", one-offs, specials etc)

 

2) From what I understand: you flick down from Neutral into 1st, then up into 2nd, up to 3rd etc. How come "down then up" from neutral doesn't result in neutral. And why is this pattern used? (Doesn't seem natural to me.)

Two actually:

 

1) Are there any bikes that have automatic transmission? (Not counting "shed-jobs", one-offs, specials etc)

 

2) From what I understand: you flick down from Neutral into 1st, then up into 2nd, up to 3rd etc. How come "down then up" from neutral doesn't result in neutral. And why is this pattern used? (Doesn't seem natural to me.)

 

1) Honda NC750X

 

2) You can get to neutral both ways can't you? It's just sometimes easier to go one way over the other.

Honda do a DCT box on a few models. Its similar to a DSG in a VAG car.

You can get to neutral from first gear then half a click up, or half a click down from second. Its allhalf way between the gears so its easier to go 1st to 2nd. Although sometimes neutral is found accidently and makes you look at tit :D.

So can you go  neutral in to 2nd (or back) without touching 1st?

Edited 30 June, 201610 yr by RainbowFire

So can you go neutral in to 2nd (or back) without touching 1st?

Yeah yeah. Sometimes it needs a little movement so the gears line up n it slots in, but yeah no problem!

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Quite a few bigger/super scooters out there as well which are full auto. The Suzuki Bergmann's the one that always gets the mention, but there's others. 

 

In the smaller engines, Honda do the Wave, and another one I can't think of the name of, which is twist and go, no clutch, but a manual box (modern version of the old Cub / C90). 

So can you go  neutral in to 2nd (or back) without touching 1st?

 

That's why you get a neutral light on a bike. Can be hard sometimes to know you've got it.

As Fabiam said Honda do the DCT gearbox that's similar to a DSG gearbox. I tested one a few weeks ago and was very impressed with it. Very fast and smooth gear changes making acceleration very quick. Slow speed is fine too, very low speeds and you just drag the rear brake, think the walk test you did as part of your part 1 or CBT depending on how old you are.

If you've ridden plenty of bikes before, clutch and gear changes in town is all just memory muscle and this is where you'll have a panic attack as you you tried to grab the none existent lever and again and again until the brain finally engages and you remember it's an automatic.

There are manual overrides too like a DSG but most of the time you don't need them and when you do it's usually for the same reasons that you with the DSG in that it is programmed to change up as soon as possible and a press of a button and you can choose the gear you want instead it.

Can I ask why your asking about automatics and 1 down 5 up normal gearboxes?

Another automatic type gearbox is the step through like you get in Honda C90 etc. Which basically a gear lever but no clutch lever.

Can I ask why your asking about automatics and 1 down 5 up normal gearboxes?

 

 

No. :p

 

Oh, ok then.....

 

I work with two other guys. Being an office of 3 blokes, you can imagine the topics of conversation. One the guys is looking a replacing his Vauxhall Ashtray with something else (we call it "car of the day" as it literally changes every day as to what he fancies) Today he got on to bikes, and mumbled something about never having ridden a geared bike. Sadlly he is the kind of bloke that doesn't have a lot of knowledge about many things. I don't claim to be an expert on bikes (according to an individual on here i have a huge chip on my shoulder about them) but I do know that the gearbox is not as "simple" as N-1-2-3-4 (however many there are) and there is a pattern involved (the whole down-up-up thing).

 

This in turn leads the engineer side of my head to ask the inevitable "why do we do that" and "can it done easier". "Easier" would almost imply an automatic (really can't be easier than "stick it in D, throttle and go"), but the down-up-up thing has always intruiged me, and I wondered if anyone knew why that pattern is used.

 

Bet you're glad you asked now :p :p :p

I do like the idea of "DSG" on a bike though :)

No. :p

 

Oh, ok then.....

 

I work with two other guys. Being an office of 3 blokes, you can imagine the topics of conversation. One the guys is looking a replacing his Vauxhall Ashtray with something else (we call it "car of the day" as it literally changes every day as to what he fancies) Today he got on to bikes, and mumbled something about never having ridden a geared bike. Sadlly he is the kind of bloke that doesn't have a lot of knowledge about many things. I don't claim to be an expert on bikes (according to an individual on here i have a huge chip on my shoulder about them) but I do know that the gearbox is not as "simple" as N-1-2-3-4 (however many there are) and there is a pattern involved (the whole down-up-up thing).

 

This in turn leads the engineer side of my head to ask the inevitable "why do we do that" and "can it done easier". "Easier" would almost imply an automatic (really can't be easier than "stick it in D, throttle and go"), but the down-up-up thing has always intruiged me, and I wondered if anyone knew why that pattern is used.

 

Bet you're glad you asked now :p :p :p

 

I cant actually answer your question with technical terms and what not, because i dont know. 

 

But for me.. It's just better being able to take a pick between 1st and 2nd. 

 

Yanno when you're in neutral in your car setting off or you're setting off down a hill.. sometimes you don't want first, sometimes its just easier to slot it straight into second. So its nice to have the option of going to another gear from neutral, other than having to go into the lowest ratio. Sequential boxes obv don't let you skip loads of gears at a time like a conventional car box does. 

 

It's been like that for years, well before i started riding, so thats just my take on it haha. Somebody might have a genius response that proves me wrong of course . 

Edited 30 June, 201610 yr by fabiamk2SE

Just to get you thinking a bit more there is the MotoGP gear shifting which flips the standard pattern of 1 down 5 up to 1 up 5 down.

I think within the next decade we'll see a lot of the DCT style gearboxes on bikes. They really are that good.

My little YBR wasn't a fan of been thrashed from 1st to 2nd, the amount of times I rev'ed its tits off in N when it failed to engauge 2nd was embarassing,

 

Was talking to a lad at work thats ridden a couple of bikes with clutchless quick shifts and says there amazing through gears, manuals but don't use clutch to change gear just back off throttle and it changes up

Used to use air shifters when I was a hooligan years ago.

My little YBR wasn't a fan of been thrashed from 1st to 2nd, the amount of times I rev'ed its tits off in N when it failed to engauge 2nd was embarassing,

 

Was talking to a lad at work thats ridden a couple of bikes with clutchless quick shifts and says there amazing through gears, manuals but don't use clutch to change gear just back off throttle and it changes up

 

Nearly every bike i've had i've taken off in first, gone for second and hit neutral atleast once. It just happens. only happens perhaps 5% of the time but for some reason its always when you're giving it some . 

 

Quickshifters are good. No need to back off the throttle at all. Just push the lever up and it should slot it... its tempting to get one on the T... it really is...

Edited 30 June, 201610 yr by fabiamk2SE

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Quickshifters are good. No need to back off the throttle at all. Just push the lever up and it should slot it... its tempting to get one on the T... it really is...

Yes they are. Listen to the voice in your head that says get one. Ignore the other voices though as its not a good idea to skip down the high street naked singing I'm a a little teapot.

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As ever, an excellent posting from both Mr. Fubar and Techmoan.

 

One thing I am rather shocked about is the prices of these things: for something that is materially waaaaaaaaaaay less than a car (gotta be less than 1/3 the same materials for example - forget things like heaters and other comforts!) the price seems quite high.

.....its not a good idea to skip down the high street naked singing I'm a a little teapot.

 

Oh, *now* you tell me. :p

 

One thing I am rather shocked about is the prices of these things: for something that is materially waaaaaaaaaaay less than a car (gotta be less than 1/3 the same materials for example - forget things like heaters and other comforts!) the price seems quite high.

 

 

It comes down to production numbers and bikes still use a lot of manual labour to build unlike cars. 

Yamaha FJR1300 comes in auto.

http://kliktronic.co.uk

 

Now the gear shifter might be on the left.

When i started riding bikes the ones i had were on the right.

(most on the British bikes i rode were 1 up & 3 down.)

After i lost my right leg i had no choice but to have left shifters, i have also had early automatics.

Dual Braking as well with Moto Guzzi.

Also i had with Outfits the wonderful thing that is a kick start lever that then became a gear changer.

So very Russian.

My most favoured changers were rocker ones which you toed and heeled.

Edited 1 July, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

Classic bikes have all sorts of gear change and pedal combinations

As others have said, Auto's are around.

I have just got a Honda Forza 300 Scooter which is Auto.

There are lots of big capacity Scooters about.

My last one was a Gilera GP800, now that was fun, I have a geared bike licence, but just like the "auto" thing.

 

As others have said, Auto's are around.

I have just got a Honda Forza 300 Scooter which is Auto.

There are lots of big capacity Scooters about.

My last one was a Gilera GP800, now that was fun, I have a geared bike licence, but just like the "auto" thing.

 

 

That looks like a proper wolf in sheep's clothing off the line! aha. 

 

I like the sleeper idea!