Apr/Revo/Shark/JB1

[James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale]

The 6 speed dsg unit has a wet clutch pack that can take a royal beating and is generally as strong as an ox. It can easily handle over 400bhp without an issue.

The 7 speed dry clutch unit - not so much

[James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale]

Remaps can unfortunately be detected when the info is transmitted online and skoda HQ recognise the altered coding structure in the ecu EVEN IF IT IS FLASHED BACK TO STANDARD. They then kindly apply the TD1 flag.

Dealers can also apply TD1 but I doubt there's many wanting to give themselves a bad name.

Tuning boxes do flag the same typical faults for whatever sensor they're connected to, usually accompanied by "implausible signal" or "upper/lower limit exceeded".

[pist0nbr0ke]

Remaps can unfortunately be detected when the info is transmitted online and skoda HQ recognise the altered coding structure in the ecu EVEN IF IT IS FLASHED BACK TO STANDARD. They then kindly apply the TD1 flag.

Dealers can also apply TD1 but I doubt there's many wanting to give themselves a bad name.

Tuning boxes do flag the same typical faults for whatever sensor they're connected to, usually accompanied by "implausible signal" or "upper/lower limit exceeded".

 

Thanks for that James 

 

Clearing any faults beforehand would make a tuning box hard to detect then, I assume... 

[Mallettsmallett]

If I were James, I wouldn't be answering that.

Edited 27 October, 2016 by Mallettsmallett

[CHRIS ELLIS]

Yes seems to go quicker in sport mode.but still pulls like a train in normal mode.

How does it work Chris with the different modes? I.e is that 301bhp with sport engaged or in normal drive mode etc?

[GoneToBeemer]

Remaps can unfortunately be detected when the info is transmitted online and skoda HQ recognise the altered coding structure in the ecu EVEN IF IT IS FLASHED BACK TO STANDARD. They then kindly apply the TD1 flag.

Dealers can also apply TD1 but I doubt there's many wanting to give themselves a bad name.

Tuning boxes do flag the same typical faults for whatever sensor they're connected to, usually accompanied by "implausible signal" or "upper/lower limit exceeded".

 

That would only be true of tuning boxes though if they throw up a fault? I.e. you turn them up too much and it throws an EML light on.

Edited 27 October, 2016 by vtec to vrs!

[James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale]

Poorly designed boxes mainly but even the "better" ones can take the sensors outside their normal operating parameters, that said - a poor remap can have exactly the same consequences.

[Johnski21]

Poorly designed boxes mainly but even the "better" ones can take the sensors outside their normal operating parameters, that said - a poor remap can have exactly the same consequences.

That's interesting James as this happened on a remapped audi I had. Eventually replaced the sensor. Kept repeating the "low signal" fault from the exhaust sensor.

Can the sensors not right themselves when a box is removed for example provided it hasn't produced fault codes?

[Jaco2k]

That's interesting James as this happened on a remapped audi I had. Eventually replaced the sensor. Kept repeating the "low signal" fault from the exhaust sensor.

Can the sensors not right themselves when a box is removed for example provided it hasn't produced fault codes?

 

Not saying it is, but this could potentially be like a fuse, that breaks when exceeding certain parameters, on purpose to flag tunes.

[cheezemonkhai]

Interesting - I wonder how?

 

I suppose if there was a minor fault code stored that might be one way to tell, (i.e one that had not caused a light on the dashboard and may not be obvious) but it would have to be very specific to identify it as being due to the installation of a tuning box. They would also have to prove it was related if they were going to blame it for a warranty issue, which could be difficult.

 

Removing the box and clearing any stored fault codes with VCDS before going to the dealer may well solve that, unless the cleared codes are still stored elsewhere and only visible to dealer equipment?

Pretty simple really.

Since the system is online they will have a record of:

- The programming counter the last time they saw the system. If it's changed, then somebody outside of the VAG system programmed it.

- The checksum/hash of the ECU software which they last installed. If this doesn't match the current one, then it's been fiddled with

- They know the size of the files so changes to this will be noticed.

[James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale]

It's the checksum data string that changes when flashed and that's how they confirm the alterations.

If the flash counters are reset but the checksum data doesn't match - hello TD1!

[HPRS230]

Hello from Brisbane Australia.

A couple of us downunder are looking at at tuning options. 

We like the idea of the JB1 as it can be removed for Dealer visits.

 

How did everyone go with it?

Worth it?

Did anyone get there car dyno's and A/F mix checked?

 

Any problems with the unit?

Any problems with car at dealer? (warranty) 

 

Cars are RS220's and an RS230

Thanks

HP

[pjam73]

Another name to throw into the mix is Cobb Tuning and their Accessport. It's just been launched for our engines (albeit targeting the GTI/R). Don't know much about them other than they're highly regarded in the Subaru world.

[RockyVRS]

John.....

 

Have you had your 230 tuned?

I have had my 230 since March and it has 9k on it. I have a contact (so to speak) and I managed to get a very good discount on a Stage 1 remap but I told him I would think about it. This was a few months back. Since then I have decided I definitely want to get mine remapped.
Not sure where you are based, but if you are interested I could ask would they drop the price a bit lower if 2 of us got the remap. Its an APR map by the way from a well known garage :D 
Drop me a PM if you are interested. If not no worries - I will just get mine done in January :p

 

Paul

[Lordy1974]

Hi. I'm new to the forum but got my 230 mapped by Revo last month. I'm in Northampton so had a good choice of Motorsport and tuning specialists. I need to have it on the rolling road but estimate 300 - 315 depending on Ron petrol. Power is much more linear than standard but really takes off further down the power band. Interesting to see if the more free flowing exhaust on the 230 makes any impact, as they are supposed to work better with the mapping.

[bbsboy]

There seems to be a lot of myth about the TD1 flag. My MK7 gti PP had Revo Stage 1 on it, it was in with VW for a gearbox leak and they wanted to up link to the VW system for a guided fault find. Luckily I had a good relationship with the workshop controller who got me to lift the car and reflash to stock by my Revo dealer. This then was uplinked to VW and no TD1 flag was raised. As long as your tuners stick file is 100% stock then you will not be detected. As for the flash counters that's also nonsense. You are no longer required to use a main dealer for servicing as long as the work is carried out using genuine components and in line with the service schedule, this also applies to software updates.

[Lordy1974]

Thanks. Just to add that I spoke to my Skoda dealer and he was quite relaxed about having a revo mod. He said they would still honour my service plan. He also said that they would not check whether mods had been undertaken as a general rule. That said if anything major happened I would probably be in trouble! You just have to balance the risks.....

[Hedge]

Another name to throw into the mix is Cobb Tuning and their Accessport. It's just been launched for our engines (albeit targeting the GTI/R). Don't know much about them other than they're highly regarded in the Subaru world.

 

Looks similar to the Superchips Bluefin or Shark STS. It will be interesting how the cars ECU deals with it regarding flash counters and checksums, etc. 

Edited 17 December, 2016 by Hedge

[Johnski21]

John.....

Have you had your 230 tuned?

I have had my 230 since March and it has 9k on it. I have a contact (so to speak) and I managed to get a very good discount on a Stage 1 remap but I told him I would think about it. This was a few months back. Since then I have decided I definitely want to get mine remapped.

Not sure where you are based, but if you are interested I could ask would they drop the price a bit lower if 2 of us got the remap. Its an APR map by the way from a well known garage :D

Drop me a PM if you are interested. If not no worries - I will just get mine done in January :p

Paul

Paul I'm not on the mainland unfortunately

[butchvrs]

Assume that you'll void the engine and transmission warranty before making the decision. Saying that, Skoda refused to cover my defective clutch under warranty despite the car being completely stock and having only covered 14K careful miles. I had to prove manufacturing-defect and fight them for 4-months before they coughed-up under threat of Legal action. Skoda's warranty sucks for items they consider "wear & tear", and from my experience Skoda will attempt everything possible to get out of valid warranty claims. Forget 3-years / 60K mile warranty for transmission - officially they are only covered for 6-months / 6K miles from new. Any hint of tuning and you'll have no chance.

I'm having trouble with them for a warranty claim for my drivers seat, the leather (if it is real leather) and the stitching have worn through of the side squab, the car has covered 13k careful miles in 18 months, I don't even lean on the squab getting in and out, Skoda UK answer "fair wear and tear", interior warranty is 6 months or 6500 miles sir!

I'm going to Trading Standards with it because to me it's not fit for purpose.