EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[CWARD]

2 hours ago, KenONeill said:

If you are not the individual who is entitled to place that X, then there is a specific offence created under the Representation of the People Acts to cover this, called "Personation".

 

Ken, you should read the Sir Eric Pickles report on electoral fraud and how some communities are allowed to block vote and the collection/buying  of postal votes

Edited 9 January, 2019 by CWARD

[lol-lol]

Second Commons defeat for government by Tory rebels and opposition parties.......

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46805269

Brexit: Second Commons defeat for Theresa May in 24 hours

 

Rebel Conservative MPs have joined forces with Labour to inflict a fresh blow on Theresa May's government in a Commons Brexit vote.

It means the government will have to come up with revised plans within three days if Mrs May's EU withdrawal deal is rejected by MPs next week.  It could also open the door to alternatives, such as a referendum.

[gadgetman]

Another reason Brexit is good. 

 

Pesky EU demanding o goods we buy last and can be repaired easily and cheaply. More bloody red tape

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46797396

[@Lee]

Interesting thread Re Goddard.
 

 

[domhnall]

Jaguar Land Rover are taking back control. Cutting jobs in UK boosting them in the EU

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46810473

 

great job Farage and co. what price a blue passport and a smug feeling that you don't share decision making with your neighbours?

 

[moley]

JRL's main issues are due to falling sales in China and falling demand for diesel models. 

[CWARD]

JLR 50.7% drop in sales in China = Brexit fault

JLR unreliability = Brexit fault

JLR majority diesel engines = Brexit fault.

 

Poor JLR management = Brexit fault

When in doubt = Brexit fault 

 

[lol-lol]

51 minutes ago, moley said:

JRL's main issues are due to falling sales in China and falling demand for diesel models. 

 

And with 5,000 UK jobs going it is to produce within the EU so there are several thousand jobs being created in JLR's new Slovakia factory.

JLR said BREXIT would cost it over a billion pounds per year.

Business sense with the mismanagement of the UK economy and BREXIT negotiations by the current ship of fools.

[CWARD]

German recession = Brexit

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/08/its-not-brexit-britain-most-likely-to-suffer-recession-its-germany

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/08/economy/germany-economy-recession-fears/index.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-08/germany-s-industry-shock-raises-specter-of-economic-recession

Edited 10 January, 2019 by CWARD

[fabdavrav]

37 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

And with 5,000 UK jobs going it is to produce within the EU so there are several thousand jobs being created in JLR's new Slovakia factory.

JLR said BREXIT would cost it over a billion pounds per year.

Business sense with the mismanagement of the UK economy and BREXIT negotiations by the current ship of fools.

 

 

JLR have been looking to reduce production costs yet still have a large range of very similar items......so the easy option is cheaper labour...same reason that VAG bought companies etc in ex eastern block countries years ago....

 

 

but go ahead & blame Brexit by all means if it makes you feel better...

[lol-lol]

5 minutes ago, fabdavrav said:

 

 

JLR have been looking to reduce production costs yet still have a large range of very similar items......so the easy option is cheaper labour...same reason that VAG bought companies etc in ex eastern block countries years ago....

 

 

but go ahead & blame Brexit by all means if it makes you feel better...

 

10% tariff on cars in to the half a billion person market of the EU and EU has 50 plus trade deals with other countries whilst UK will have none if it falls out of the EU.

 

It's customs, it's what I do to earn my big salary not just a feel good thing.

[CWARD]

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

10% tariff on cars in to the half a billion person market of the EU and EU has 50 plus trade deals with other countries whilst UK will have none if it falls out of the EU.

 

It's customs, it's what I do to earn my big salary not just a feel good thing.

 

Not answering any question as to why JLR are struggling other than to cram in Brexit again. 

Why are JLR sales in China, their biggest market, reduced so much?

Why are Diesel engines a problem for JLR and most other manufacturers?

Why are JLR so unreliable?

 

If it was just because of the possible 10% tariff on sending vehicles from the UK to the EU. Then how will that get round the 10% they will incur on sending their vehicles from the EU to the UK, which is only 20,000 less vehicles than the rest f Europe?

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/386952/jaguar-land-rover-global-regional-sales/

 

Please let us know Mr Big Salary

[fabdavrav]

47 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

10% tariff on cars in to the half a billion person market of the EU and EU has 50 plus trade deals with other countries whilst UK will have none if it falls out of the EU.

 

It's customs, it's what I do to earn my big salary not just a feel good thing.

 

& the EU imposes a 10% tariff on all USA new cars entering the EU....

 

so we will be treated exactly the same as the EU treats the USA...so why complain?...

 

 

as the Queen stated in her Christmas speech...we are part of a common wealth which accounts for 1/3 of the worlds population..& we can't trade freely with them because of the rules the EU imposes on us!!

 

The EU is imploding when you look carefully & read the financial papers..just they are papering over the cracks as fast as they are appearing...

[lol-lol]

35 minutes ago, CWARD said:

 

Not answering any question as to why JLR are struggling other than to cram in Brexit again. 

Why are JLR sales in China, their biggest market, reduced so much?

Why are Diesel engines a problem for JLR and most other manufacturers?

Why are JLR so unreliable?

If it was just because of the possible 10% tariff on sending vehicles from the UK to the EU. Then how will that get round the 10% they will incur on sending their vehicles from the EU to the UK, which is only 20,000 less vehicles than the rest f Europe?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/386952/jaguar-land-rover-global-regional-sales/

 

Please let us know Mr Big Salary

 

I have a degree in Asian-Pacific politic and Economic, paid for by HMRC and pwc, but suggest watching a few hours of Bloomberg or the like to dig in to Chinese buying sentiment.

Also Diesel engines avoidance is a subject that requires more than a line or two but cities like Birmingham and London and forty other ones looking like charging them out of entry to the cities looks to be one big reason.

JLR unrelaible, again one could probably right a book.  My Type S was a peach to drive about in but expensive to maintain, Korean and Japanese just seem to do car building better or less risky pushing the envelope, but they are mostly dull to drive I find.  

 

There are customs schemes to reduce the import bill if the engines are still built at the Wolverhampton engine plant so a bit less than 10% in to the Uk for the cars biult coming back to the UK with some UK components and the engines going in to the EU will only pay a fraction of the duty of whole cars so hopefully the engine plant will continue for the UK worker's sake.

 

Full detailed answers require payment at my high hourly rate but pointers are a free taster.  

 

[lol-lol]

9 minutes ago, fabdavrav said:

 

& the EU imposes a 10% tariff on all USA new cars entering the EU....

 

so we will be treated exactly the same as the EU treats the USA...so why complain?...

 

 

as the Queen stated in her Christmas speech...we are part of a common wealth which accounts for 1/3 of the worlds population..& we can't trade freely with them because of the rules the EU imposes on us!!

 

The EU is imploding when you look carefully & read the financial papers..just they are papering over the cracks as fast as they are appearing...

 

But not Japan who is just about to implement a trade deal with the EU.

 

I would love a Corvette Stingray or Camaro, or even a Tesla, but a Nissan GTR with 10% off would also be tempting.   

 

The EU is not imploding, Germany still has a big trade surplus, Italy is same as it has been for decades.  Macron a bit of a disappointment.  

Euro currency doing quite well.  Was 1.4 to the pound couple of years ago, now 1.1 and looks like it will be parity if Mrs May drive us any further toward economic mayhem.

 

[CWARD]

13 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I have a degree in Asian-Pacific politic and Economic, paid for by HMRC and pwc, but suggest watching a few hours of Bloomberg or the like to dig in to Chinese buying sentiment.

Also Diesel engines avoidance is a subject that requires more than a line or two but cities like Birmingham and London and forty other ones looking like charging them out of entry to the cities looks to be one big reason.

JLR unrelaible, again one could probably right a book.  My Type S was a peach to drive about in but expensive to maintain, Korean and Japanese just seem to do car building better or less risky pushing the envelope, but they are mostly dull to drive I find.  

 

There are customs schemes to reduce the import bill if the engines are still built at the Wolverhampton engine plant so a bit less than 10% in to the Uk for the cars biult coming back to the UK with some UK components and the engines going in to the EU will only pay a fraction of the duty of whole cars so hopefully the engine plant will continue for the UK worker's sake.

 

Full detailed answers require payment at my high hourly rate but pointers are a free taster.  

 

 

Despite your degree you answer nothing on any of the questions asked. As you are putting across your opinions as an expert, why should any one pay you a penny for any answers to back up your opinion. 

Please answer the questions to your opinions which you claim to expert in. 

[lol-lol]

2 minutes ago, CWARD said:

 

Despite your degree you answer nothing on any of the questions asked. As you are putting across your opinions as an expert, why should any one pay you a penny for any answers to back up your opinion. 

Please answer the questions to your opinions which you claim to expert in. 

 

[CWARD]

13 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

The EU is not imploding, Germany still has a big trade surplus, Italy is same as it has been for decades.  Macron a bit of a disappointment.  

Euro currency doing quite well.  Was 1.4 to the pound couple of years ago, now 1.1 and looks like it will be parity if Mrs May drive us any further toward economic mayhem.

 

 

German industrial output has declined and economists (more high paid experts) are predicting a recession. Italy is anti E.U. due to their budget constraints imposed on them despite France having a larger deficit but not constrained by the ECB even though they’ve just tried and failed to buy themselves out of their public protests against Macron, who polling at his lowest yet. Poland and Italy are trying to get more on board to split the German- French grip on the E.U. Not exactly peaceful bliss. 

[CWARD]

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

 

 Thanks for the advice, you win every time. I have nowhere near your experience. 

 

Edited 10 January, 2019 by CWARD

[moley]

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

And with 5,000 UK jobs going it is to produce within the EU so there are several thousand jobs being created in JLR's new Slovakia factory.

JLR said BREXIT would cost it over a billion pounds per year.

Business sense with the mismanagement of the UK economy and BREXIT negotiations by the current ship of fools.

Taking all of that on board I bet it is cheaper to employ a worker in Slovakia than it is in Solihull and that coupled with some EU grants it makes good business sense to set up in Eastern Europe. 

[Ootohere]

Trained, Skilled, Qualified, Well Educated JLR workers from Administration, Sales, Management and the Manufacturing should have no problem getting work in the UK.

Seemingly there is a skills shortage. Labour shortage.

New opportunities all over the country.

 

If they need a job to tide them over then plenty Agricultural Workers, Fruit and Veg pickers and processors are required.

Health Care Workers, Educators,  BT Workers etc etc.  

 

Bring down UK job vacancies by filling them with those losing work in other places.   Some might just need to get used to less income and spare money.

Down size their homes...

@lol-lol will ring his hands with glee as more homes come on the market at 'much cheapness'. 

Edited 10 January, 2019 by Skoffski

[lol-lol]

28 minutes ago, moley said:

Taking all of that on board I bet it is cheaper to employ a worker in Slovakia than it is in Solihull and that coupled with some EU grants it makes good business sense to set up in Eastern Europe. 

 

Indeed.  SLOVAKIAN minimum wage is around 500 Euros a month, a third of the UK wage.

 

Jobs lost in Tier 1 and 2 suppliers likely to be similar to JLR losses in the UK.

[@Lee]

1 hour ago, fabdavrav said:

 

 

 

 

as the Queen stated in her Christmas speech...we are part of a common wealth which accounts for 1/3 of the worlds population..& we can't trade freely with them because of the rules the EU imposes on us!!

 

 

Most of the Commonwealth's pi55 poor; You think a farmer in The Gambia can afford a Jag or has any need for financial services.
The 'we've got the Commonwealth, we can trade with' is a complete nonsense. We've got 27 countries and 500 million customers on our doorstep who can afford our goods (which are usually 'high end') but nooooooo let's sell our high end goods and financial services to a mostly pi55 poor Commonwealth, most of which is 000's of miles away.

 

[Ootohere]

Theresa May MP went to the p!ss poor Commonwealth Countries and said, come on into the UK. 

 You are welcome, bring anyone and everyone you want, 

just be sure they have loads of money.  

[@Lee]

According to this website car sales have been on the increase in almost all the EU countries. The UK isn't one of them.
The EU emissions regs apply to them all yet they're still buying new cars. Perhaps because there's no Brex**** uncertainty in those countries?
https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2018-half-year-europe-car-sales-per-european-union-and-efta-county/

 

EU Country	Jan – Jun 2018	Jan – Jun 2017	% Change
AUSTRIA	192,861	186,561	+3.4
BELGIUM	331,369	322,302	+2.8
BULGARIA	18,082	14,749	+22.6
CROATIA	38,284	32,091	+19.3
CYPRUS	7,651	7,542	+1.4
CZECH REPUBLIC	143,784	144,451	-0.5
DENMARK	120,750	123,802	-2.5
ESTONIA	14,190	13,122	+8.1
FINLAND	69,600	64,451	+8.0
FRANCE	1,188,150	1,135,267	+4.7
GERMANY	1,839,031	1,787,026	+2.9
GREECE	62,312	50,356	+23.7
HUNGARY	70,733	54,850	+29.0
IRELAND	87,147	91,215	-4.5
ITALY	1,120,829	1,137,299	-1.4
LATVIA	9,070	8,614	+5.3
LITHUANIA	15,966	12,814	+24.6
LUXEMBOURG	30,655	28,946	+5.9
NETHERLANDS	253,410	225,975	+12.1
POLAND	273,045	247,014	+10.5
PORTUGAL	134,506	127,186	+5.8
ROMANIA	60,068	45,008	+33.5
SLOVAKIA	51,891	48,871	+6.2
SLOVENIA	41,677	39,032	+6.8
SPAIN	734,649	667,494	+10.1
SWEDEN	225,543	193,530	+16.5
UNITED KINGDOM	1,313,994	1,401,811	-6.3
EUROPEAN UNION	8,449,247	8,211,379	+2.9

 

Jan – Jun 2017	Jan – Jun 2016	%Change 2017
AUSTRIA	186,561	171,770	+8.6
BELGIUM	322,302	309,606	+4.1
BULGARIA	14,749	12,361	+19.3
CROATIA	31,790	25,728	+23.6
CYPRUS	7,542	6,793	+11.0
CZECH REPUBLIC	144,451	132,778	+8.8
DENMARK	123,791	116,849	+5.9
ESTONIA	13,332	11,754	+13.4
FINLAND	64,422	65,478	-1.6
FRANCE	1,135,267	1,102,429	+3.0
GERMANY	1,787,026	1,733,839	+3.1
GREECE	50,356	47,413	+6.2
HUNGARY	54,793	45,969	+19.2
IRELAND	91,185	101,327	-10.0
ITALY	1,136,331	1,043,388	+8.9
LATVIA	8,614	8,697	-1.0
LITHUANIA	12,814	10,706	+19.7
LUXEMBOURG	28,946	28,315	+2.23
NETHERLANDS	226,690	193,915	+16.9
POLAND	247,014	210,728	+17.2
PORTUGAL	127,199	118,626	+7.2
ROMANIA	45,008	35,452	+27.0
SLOVAKIA	48,871	43,954	+11.2
SLOVENIA	39,032	34,980	+11.6
SPAIN	667,494	623,234	+7.1
SWEDEN	193,530	187,591	+3.2
UNITED KINGDOM	1,401,811	1,420,636	-1.3
EUROPEAN UNION	8,210,921	7,844,316	+4.7
ICELAND	13,654	12,125	+12.6
NORWAY	77,983	77,749	+0.3
SWITZERLAND	158,918	158,037	+0.6
EFTA	250,555	247,911	+1.1