EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[lol-lol]

3 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

Still worth it.....we're out.....were out.........we're out ......were out..........now that's better .

 

 

Worth it for me who will be doing the custom entries, some exporters maybe, consumers disaster.  A what is more it will hardly make any difference to border control, they get in anyways, except the indirect consequence of damaging the UK economy make it less inviting to come.  Success reversal of immigration by making UK less economically attractive.

Edited 4 August, 2017 by lol-lol

[@Lee]

I take it then @Sad555 you are one of the older generation who would endure economic hardship and feel that the country being poorer and even OK with it if your kids lost their jobs because of Brexit?
And you think YOU'RE the PATRIOTIC ones?

Do me a favour.................
http://www.newstatesman.com/2017/08/yougov-research-brexit-proves-baby-boomers-hate-their-own-children

 

@Sad555, Is this you?  http://newsthump.com/2017/08/02/tighter-border-controls-should-not-apply-when-im-going-on-holiday-insists-angry-brexiter/

[gadgetman]

2 hours ago, Sad555 said:

f ++k all to do with exchange rates,4 hrs to check uk passports into spain yet other countries let immigrants jump onto trucks to get into Britain just to get them out of their countries or is it just coincidence?

But this is what the Leavers want for our own immigration, so why is this a a negative? 

 

Get used to to it post brexit if you holiday in the EU

[@Lee]

5 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

But this is what the Leavers want for our own immigration, so why is this a a negative? 

 

Get used to to it post brexit if you holiday in the EU

Pretty sure they think there should be special lanes for people with blue passports (which were actually more black than blue)

 

[lol-lol]

8 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

But this is what the Leavers want for our own immigration, so why is this a a negative? 

 

Get used to to it post brexit if you holiday in the EU

 

Not me as I will get my Irish passport to become a dual national  by then.  

[Sad555]

1 hour ago, Lee01 said:

 

@Sad555, Is this you? 

how very interesting this is to read,obviously written by a highly educated individual who is completely unbiased..............I wonder if this is the typical thoughts of someone wanting to stay in the EU but cannot except the will of the nation. 

[@Lee]

5 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

how very interesting this is to read,obviously written by a highly educated individual who is completely unbiased..............I wonder if this is the typical thoughts of someone wanting to stay in the EU but cannot except the will of the nation. 

Can I take it that you don't actually understand satire then?

[Sad555]

we're out.....were out.........we're out ......were out..........now that's better .

[lol-lol]

16 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

we're out.....were out.........we're out ......were out..........now that's better .

 

Not until 30 March 2019 and then maybe a transition 2 or 3 year  period and then the new government might call it off as a million old people who voted for are now dead and been replaced by a million young people who do not.

Edited 4 August, 2017 by lol-lol

[Ryeman]

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Not until 30 March 2019 and then maybe a transition 2 or 3 year  period and then the new government might call it off as a million old people who voted for are now dead and been replaced by a million young people who do not.

.......or do a NAFTA style renegotiation and save the day?.

[lol-lol]

11 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

.......or do a NAFTA style renegotiation and save the day?.

 

More likely to work with the pragmatic EU than The Donald.

 

Did you see the look in Trudeau's eyes when meeting Trump?

And Mexico is having less and less to deal with the US.  It already has an FTA with the EU.

Edited 4 August, 2017 by lol-lol

[Ryeman]

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

More likely to work with the pragmatic EU than The Donald.

 

Did you see the look in Trudeau's eyes when meeting Trump?

And Mexico is having less and less to deal with the US.  It already has an FTA with the EU.

Bring back Jon Stewart ......so much material))))))

[@Lee]

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

Bring back Jon Stewart ......so much material))))))

Well, he's no Jon Stewart but Alan  Partridge is making a comback............
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/alan-partridge-new-bbc-show-series-brexit-steve-coogan-a7875101.html

 

To be honest I'm surprised it's not been satirised sooner. Posts in this topic show the level of ignorance we're dealing with.

[Ryeman]

2 hours ago, Lee01 said:

Well, he's no Jon Stewart but Alan  Partridge is making a comback............
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/alan-partridge-new-bbc-show-series-brexit-steve-coogan-a7875101.html

 

To be honest I'm surprised it's not been satirised sooner. Posts in this topic show the level of ignorance we're dealing with.

Ah!   The droll Alan Partridge..........nice.

[Sad555]

we're out.....were out.........we're out ......were out..........now that's better .

[lol-lol]

6 hours ago, Sad555 said:

we're out.....were out.........we're out ......were out..........now that's better .

We're out in a few years....Goodbye aviation...goodbye banks....Goodbye car production......now that's worse.

[Ootohere]

^^^ Do you really think 66 million plus in the UK are just all going up sh!t creak without a paddle.

You see enough of airports to see just how many come and go on business and leisure, the ports with goods / trade / commerce and leisure and pleasure travellers.

The roads jam packed, the towns and cities, the lack of available housing and waiting lists and all classes and income levels around the UK.

March 2019 is the begining of a big adventure not the UK having a closing down sale.

Edited 6 August, 2017 by Awayoffski

[gadgetman]

8 hours ago, Sad555 said:

we're out.....were out.........we're out ......were out..........now that's better .

No we're not. 

[lol-lol]

29 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

^^^ Do you really think 66 million plus in the UK are just all going up sh!t creak without a paddle.

You see enough of airports to see just how many come and go on business and leisure, the ports with goods / trade / commerce and leisure and pleasure travellers.

The roads jam packed, the towns and cities, the lack of available housing and waiting lists and all classes and income levels around the UK.

March 2019 is the begining of a big adventure not the UK having a closing down sale.

 

Of course it is not going to be complete shut down and probably "only" about a 5% downturn economically of where we would have been if we had stayed in the EU.  

As I have said it should be good for UK government finances on the extra revenue from tariffs but has and will mean inflation for consumers who wages are far lagging behind this. Also much more expensive foreign holidays.

 

British Chamber of Commerce i linked above are clearly very worried wheras EU are under little pressure as they hold most the cards or can effectively force aviation, banks and car production to move to within the major market.

Edited 6 August, 2017 by lol-lol

[moley]

7 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 EU are under little pressure as they hold most the cards or can effectively force aviation, banks and car production to move to within the major market.

This is an opinion not a fact.

The EU has recently started a trade deal with Japan which will allow Japan to export cars to the EU without tariffs. The only reason Japan built car plants in EU countries was to to get around import tariffs, back in the 70's EU countries could see their car industries going the same way as the British motorcycle industry when cheaper Japanese products flooded the market. What will stop the Japanese building cars in cheaper far east economies and shipping them into the EU and then shutting the car plants within the EU?

During our time in the EU we have have many industries move from the UK to the Far East and Eastern Europe, a decline in our tradition UK based car industries then the arrival of the Japanese car plants. Our ship building has gone, Engineering companies have gone, textile industries have gone, Coal mining has gone, but we're still here.

The banks are setting up offices in EU countries, but not shutting up shop and moving completely. 

When we leave the EU there will be ups and downs, but we will still be here.

Oh...and Belgium forgot to tell us about dodgy Dutch eggs....how very EU of them.

[@Lee]

Current status: Level 5
http://inktank.fi/revealed-the-9-levels-of-leaver-expectations-about-brexit/

[@Lee]

The importance of remaining in the EU, from former Bank of England policy maker, economist and PIIE (Peterson Institute for International Economics) president Adam Posen.

 

[Ootohere]

There are many important things for many that like the employment and incomes they have.

Turkeys are not going to vote for Christmas and Turkey Farmers are not wanting to subsidise Salmon Farmers.

 

Lots of really useless people might need to change jobs, move etc etc.

?

Are their many UK based 'Statisticians', Pollsters, Economics Journalists, Economic Advisers or Psychics yet losing jobs yet in the UK pre Brexit and after BREXIT will they be moving from the UK to some other country?

[lol-lol]

3 hours ago, moley said:

This is an opinion not a fact.  The EU has recently started a trade deal with Japan which will allow Japan to export cars to the EU without tariffs. The only reason Japan built car plants in EU countries was to to get around import tariffs, back in the 70's EU countries could see their car industries going the same way as the British motorcycle industry when cheaper Japanese products flooded the market. What will stop the Japanese building cars in cheaper far east economies and shipping them into the EU and then shutting the car plants within the EU?

During our time in the EU we have have many industries move from the UK to the Far East and Eastern Europe, a decline in our tradition UK based car industries then the arrival of the Japanese car plants. Our ship building has gone, Engineering companies have gone, textile industries have gone, Coal mining has gone, but we're still here.  The banks are setting up offices in EU countries, but not shutting up shop and moving completely. 

When we leave the EU there will be ups and downs, but we will still be here.     Oh...and Belgium forgot to tell us about dodgy Dutch eggs....how very EU of them.

 

German car makers, on which 1 in 5 jobs rely and 1 in 5 of their cars come to the UK, have said they will not sacrifice the EU's ideals for the sake of saving a bit of UK trade.  Spain can provide a good home for car plants looking to move to within the EU and we already know Land Rover are now not only to move the Defender production to Slovakia but now are planning on moving Discovery production as well.  BMW-Mini already produces some minis in Austria and Holland and can switch more without too much effort.

Factories are usually placed where there is consumption and with the dwindling gap for many UK citizens between wages and living costs ie their disposable income, they will be less consumption, already seeing with car buying down 10%.

 

As the head of HBOS said they will  be moving a thousand jobs from London to the EU, and dozens of other of the biggest banks plan to do the same.  There will still be a significant amount of trading in London but a few percent less business for the UK to tax and the figure of around 30,000 very high paid jobs moving means billions of pound less for the Exchequer.

 

First the issue the with the EU was bananas, then cucumbers and now eggs.  Wonder how much salmonella there is eggs, have not heard anything about that for a while.

 

Lots of extra money for UK government to collect (via international logistics companies), layer of extra admin costs and staff costs for that half of the trade that was under the single market and no admin suddenly to come of their bottom line which will squeeze both bosses and workers.  And for what where the Home office and UK Border Agency, who I know well, to continue to fail to control immigration as they have not the resources to do so.                 

 

Hopefully, as the full implications of leaving the EU become visible the UK will get a chance to re-evaluate and those able to vote, because they have come of voting age and those who voted out have passed on to downstairs or upstairs we can a more informed vote. 

[moley]

57 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

As the head of HBOS said they will  be moving a thousand jobs from London to the EU,

Are you sure HBOS said this?

Do you have the source for this info?