Ok so im considering a Dacia Sandero 1.5 diesel, for much cheapness running costs. But maybe the Duster with the 115 diesel engine, same thats in numerous cars like the nissan qashqai, they do strike me as the new Skoda....

 

 - Anyone with any experience good/ bad 

Edited 24 January, 20179 yr by FromTheDarkness

@Auric Goldfinger 's young lad has one.

 

And @lol-lol is the forum sales rep for them :p

1 hour ago, FromTheDarkness said:

Ok so im considering a Dacia Sandero 1.5 diesel, for much cheapness running costs. But maybe the Duster with the 115 diesel engine, same thats in numerous cars like the nissan qashqai, they do strike me as the new Skoda....

 

 - Anyone with any experience good/ bad 

 

Just try the petrol ie the 900 cc turbo-petrol back to back with the diesel it ie persuaded me to get the petrol because it was so much more pleasant to drive.  I think the petrol is almost a second quicker to 60 mph than the diesel and the economy , probably in the way I drive it would be quite similar.

 

The 90 hp petrol is capable of hitting 110 mph in quite short order and I went for the Logan rather than the Sandero as I wanted a lugger and even with 4 adults and 600 litres of luggage it was not strained though I did not use the ECO feature in that scenario but I often do when one my own and it will easily do 50 to 60 mpg and being a grand cheaper than the diesel that is a lot of (cheaper) fuel.

 

Two fairly naff things were the steering wheel and the wheels/tyres so I got a steering wheel cover to give it a nicer feel and changed the 15 inches, which look small on the big Logan, and ordered the 16s from the Sandero Stepway so I have 205s on there now which look and feel much better.  Done 35k miles in 18 months and loving it, one of the best cars I have bought and I have had more than a dozen Skoda, SEATs, Audis.  My garage was Skoda and when SUK turned nasty and went down the road of larger soulless corporate dealers mine got the Dacia-Renault franchise which was a master stroke and Dacia and Renault and now usually top of the driver satisfaction surveys unsurprisingly to me.  I got the MediaNav in mine too.  

 

Dacia are just rolling out aircon in the mid range versions.   New TCE 125 hp turbo petrol in the Duster is great, sadly auto is only the diesel currently.  Next Dacia-Renault for me will probably me a Clio RS as enjoyed my Fabia 2 VRS but sadly Skoda have pulled out of the hot hatch market.  All prices are creeping up due to the big fall in the pound but the Dacias remain incredible value for money compared to anything else and actually really good, very comfortable seats.  Ignore safety scores as it is all based on the Clio Mk3 which was one of the safest cars in its day and now all the Dacias have ESP as well as ABS etc, happy to be in the Dacia and probably costing me less than 25p a mile to run so quids in. 

 

 

Edited 24 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

Dad's mate has a 4x4 Duster and has been very pleased with it. No issues that I'm aware of.

 

Can't give many details but he is famously tight with money so if he thinks the Duster was a good buy it's quite impressive.

34 minutes ago, Aspman said:

Dad's mate has a 4x4 Duster and has been very pleased with it. No issues that I'm aware of.

 

Can't give many details but he is famously tight with money so if he thinks the Duster was a good buy it's quite impressive.

 

Saw they were using the Dusters as the safety/support crew cars in the Monti Carlo Rally !

 

I feel the same smugness with Dacia as when I was buying Skodas in the nineties and noughties and so please Dacia came along when Skoda/VAG lost its was in this decade.  Has the might of the Nissan-Renault marque behind it.  

 

Not wanting an OT diversion, but I just saw an old(?) program involving an art historian and an Italian chef being thrown around in an old Panda 4x4 being pulverised on a Sicilian track......bring back simplicity and along comes reliability as a bonus?.

 

My Son has a Sandaro, Bought brand new, on the road with some dealer discount £5.5K bought on finance to get the 5 year warranty then paid off in full.

In 3 years it will be still worth £2K +  It lives in London at the side of the road and will only get washed if its part of the yealy service.

 

It's a no brainer,

 

 

 

 

They seem better value than a 'Rail Card',  just buy a Dacia to commute and park it at Rail Station Car parks.

The Government should scrap the idea of building HS2 & give a discount voucher for the public to buy cars, & build car parks rather than train stations.

Dacia are made in several places now and I understand some more of the production is going to Morocco.   Morocco will continue to get import duties relief under the General System of Preference where a trade war with the EU, and lose of places like Korea's trade deal with the EU, plus the 15-20% fall in the value of the GB pound since BREXIT vote, means Dacia might be one of the few affordable cars on the UK market over the next year or three. 

Edited 25 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

Hopefully the UK Government give Renault the incentive to bring a Dacia Factory or more into the UK.

Plenty available skilled workers in this low cost economy.

Affordable and reliable vehicles designed for right hand drive and UK roads & NSL's seems such a good idea.

Good low emissions & economy and simple servicing and they could be onto a winner.

(Maybe redundant NISSAN Plants will be available.)

22 minutes ago, Offski said:

Hopefully the UK Government give Renault the incentive to bring a Dacia Factory or more into the UK.

Plenty available skilled workers in this low cost economy.

Affordable and reliable vehicles designed for right hand drive and UK roads & NSL's seems such a good idea.

Good low emissions & economy and simple servicing and they could be onto a winner.

(Maybe redundant NISSAN Plants will be available.)

 

And without that EU red tape to control workers conditions and rights etc then we will be able to compete with Morocco etc.

 

It will be interesting to see how the EU-UK trade deal works out.  If they are not interested or cannot agree more likely in transition arrangements then there is a default to WTO rules and Uk adoption of the EU tariff the UK currently uses then that might be OK for the EU but then it might not as the much weakened UK currency makes it easier for us to export than the EU to send goods to us from their currently  stronger currency so they may even adopt close scrutiny of Anti-Dumping measures ie if we try and sell a car in to EU cheaper than a car us sold in the UK the EU can introduce ADD.   KPMG reckoned RHD cars cost 6% more to make than LHD ones due to the lower volumes, amortized tooling costs etc (hence Sweden moved from RHD to LHD a half century ago).

 

Many car marque have been nudging their car prices up a few percent each quarter to deal with the UK exchange rate issue and are now pushing zero rate finance (yeah on a higher base cost).   Dacia were doing £750 off but that has now dropped to £500 for the Sandero and £650 for the Duster and no RRP rise so still totally cracking value considering everything. 

 

   

Does the U.K. want to be seen as a low wage economy in order to attract/retain business ?.

Is Germany a low wage economy?.

Low wages and low company taxes seems like an international race to the bottom.

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

Does the U.K. want to be seen as a low wage economy in order to attract/retain business ?.

Is Germany a low wage economy?.

Low wages and low company taxes seems like an international race to the bottom.

 

Some "Brits" seem to want to return to Victorian England way of living (They see themselves as the Gentry rather than the hoi polloi of course).  

 

Any Road Up. Dacia is great though I don't suppose you get in Oz.  It is big in most of Europe, Africa, Indian sub and South America (They even get a Sandero RS.  On track within Rubens....

 

  

Edited 25 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

23 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Just try the petrol ie the 900 cc turbo-petrol back to back with the diesel it ie persuaded me to get the petrol because it was so much more pleasant to drive.  I think the petrol is almost a second quicker to 60 mph than the diesel and the economy , probably in the way I drive it would be quite similar.

 

The 90 hp petrol is capable of hitting 110 mph in quite short order and I went for the Logan rather than the Sandero as I wanted a lugger and even with 4 adults and 600 litres of luggage it was not strained though I did not use the ECO feature in that scenario but I often do when one my own and it will easily do 50 to 60 mpg and being a grand cheaper than the diesel that is a lot of (cheaper) fuel.

 

Two fairly naff things were the steering wheel and the wheels/tyres so I got a steering wheel cover to give it a nicer feel and changed the 15 inches, which look small on the big Logan, and ordered the 16s from the Sandero Stepway so I have 205s on there now which look and feel much better.  Done 35k miles in 18 months and loving it, one of the best cars I have bought and I have had more than a dozen Skoda, SEATs, Audis.  My garage was Skoda and when SUK turned nasty and went down the road of larger soulless corporate dealers mine got the Dacia-Renault franchise which was a master stroke and Dacia and Renault and now usually top of the driver satisfaction surveys unsurprisingly to me.  I got the MediaNav in mine too.  

 

Dacia are just rolling out aircon in the mid range versions.   New TCE 125 hp turbo petrol in the Duster is great, sadly auto is only the diesel currently.  Next Dacia-Renault for me will probably me a Clio RS as enjoyed my Fabia 2 VRS but sadly Skoda have pulled out of the hot hatch market.  All prices are creeping up due to the big fall in the pound but the Dacias remain incredible value for money compared to anything else and actually really good, very comfortable seats.  Ignore safety scores as it is all based on the Clio Mk3 which was one of the safest cars in its day and now all the Dacias have ESP as well as ABS etc, happy to be in the Dacia and probably costing me less than 25p a mile to run so quids in. 

 

 

Im sure the turbo petrol is good, my issues are that i do a 30min motorway commute each way, and in the better halfs previous clio 1.2, was not great on fuel as on the motorway that small engine was at near maximum use, reving its nuts off and was not great on fuel, also on my mind is a turbo is expensive to replace, and i expect the £1000 extra will be there on the resale value. I would buy the car to run for 5 years or high millage, i would expect the small petrol engine to do only achieve half the diesels mileage.

Edited 25 January, 20179 yr by FromTheDarkness

7 minutes ago, FromTheDarkness said:

Im sure the turbo petrol is good, my issues are that i do a 30min motorway commute each way, and in the better halfs previous clio 1.2, was not great on fuel as on the motorway that small engine was at near maximum use, reving its nuts off and was not great on fuel, also on my mind is a turbo is expensive to replace, and i expect the £1000 extra will be there on the resale value. I would buy the car to run for 5 years or high millage, i would expect the small petrol engine to do only achieve half the diesels mileage.

 

I have a 1.2 Clio (Mark 4) as well and they are chalk and cheese.

 

The Logan/Sandero with 900 petrol turbo is only doing 3k revs at 75 mph and it is happy to cruise at 75, 80 or 85.   At 110 it is only doing just over 4K revs.

 

It is quite quite.  you are right the Clio is revving it guts out at 75/80 and the Dacia will do 5 to 10 mpg better than the Clio at just about any speed as it is much more efficient than the naturally aspirated 1.1/1.2 four cylinder 16 Clio (and even now repalced by the 3 cylinder one litre which is much better, tried one in a new Twingo and it is much better than the old 1.2 16v.

 

I would only buy the diesel if I lived in Northern Ireland or Europe where diesel is cheaper than petrol as the TCE engines are economical ie 65 mpg possible, and much nicer to drive than the diesel in all types of driving I found and buying/owning and with the diesel bans from cities around the corner I wuld not buy a new diesel which I intended to keep beyond 2020 as their movements look likely to be restricted to non-urban areas.    

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I have a 1.2 Clio (Mark 4) as well and they are chalk and cheese.

 

The Logan/Sandero with 900 petrol turbo is only doing 3k revs at 75 mph and it is happy to cruise at 75, 80 or 85.   At 110 it is only doing just over 4K revs.

 

It is quite quite.  you are right the Clio is revving it guts out at 75/80 and the Dacia will do 5 to 10 mpg better than the Clio at just about any speed as it is much more efficient than the naturally aspirated 1.1/1.2 four cylinder 16 Clio (and even now repalced by the 3 cylinder one litre which is much better, tried one in a new Twingo and it is much better than the old 1.2 16v.

 

I would only buy the diesel if I lived in Northern Ireland or Europe where diesel is cheaper than petrol as the TCE engines are economical ie 65 mpg possible, and much nicer to drive than the diesel in all types of driving I found and buying/owning and with the diesel bans from cities around the corner I wuld not buy a new diesel which I intended to keep beyond 2020 as their movements look likely to be restricted to non-urban areas.    

 

 

 

Ok thanks for that, also i suppose that there is the option on warranty even extended upto 7 years/ 100k miles. Is the turbo used, a common one? would it be classes as wear and tear after x miles?

I might try and test drive both diesel and the petrol, but i would want to go on the motorway..

3 minutes ago, FromTheDarkness said:

aOk thanks for that, also i suppose that there is the option on warranty even extended upto 7 years/ 100k miles. Is the turbo used, a common one? would it be classes as wear and tear after x miles?

I might try and test drive both diesel and the petrol, but i would want to go on the motorway..

Are you aware that diesels have turbos too? And EGRs. And DPFs. Turbo failures would not likely be fobbed off as W&T at any rate.

2 minutes ago, Huskoda said:

Are you aware that diesels have turbos too? And EGRs. And DPFs. Turbo failures would not likely be fobbed off as W&T at any rate.

Im not aware what the 1.5 dci has actually no.

Its probably not mentioned as its a given these days.

3 minutes ago, mikeholroyd said:

Interesting to note that a couple of the local taxi firms are actually replacing their ageing Octavias (one was an 08 plate with 500k miles on the clock) with brand new Dacia Dusters. Talking to the lads who run them, they are described as cheap and cheerful, but also rugged enough to cope with 70k miles a year. There's a 65 plate one which already has well over 100k on the clock, and hasn't had any major work done at all,and owner says he would definately replace it with another one.

 

Mechanically, then, OK, but I would be concerned about the longterm cosmetic deterioration and build quality.

 

I might be wrong, but I've always seen Dacia as a cheap Renault, a bit like Lada was a cheap Fiat -- but then again, think of the Skodas of old............

 

Mike

Have they gone for diesels?

4 minutes ago, mikeholroyd said:

Yes,they have. 

With some of the taxis up here pushing 100k per year, I don't think petrol would be a viable option

 

Mike

Every taxi firm near me has gone Prius mad

I would expect the SCR (AdBlue) diesels will be acceptable for a considerable time because they are so much cleaner than the Euro4&5 ones which are responsible for the current situation in major cities giving diesels such a bad reputation.

 

Friend bought a new Duster 1.5 dCi Laureate and I gather has been very pleased with it.

 

I like it, seems an awful lot of car for what it cost.

On 1/28/2017 at 14:20, pipsypreturnsagain said:

Friend bought a new Duster 1.5 dCi Laureate and I gather has been very pleased with it.

 

I like it, seems an awful lot of car for what it cost.

 

And now you can get a turbo-petrol ie 125hp it is quite nifty.