https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-skoda-karoq-suv-priced-£20875

Oh well that's another possible sale that they've lost.

 

No petrol DSG 4x4, then I'm not interested. 

 

I'll be out too.....

 

What are they playing at?  Have they not seen the news about declining diesel sales?   I'm not buying into a fuel type that will see me penalised or end up with high DPF or injector bills.

 

I sent an email to Skoda to confirm this issue.. 

Edited 21 September, 20178 yr by trambly71

Just looked at the Karoq configuarator  on the German Skoda website and they also do not offer a 4wd DSG petrol version.  WTF....???

 

I'll just have to tell the sales person who calls that the Karoq is off the menu. Wasted opportunity by Skoda..

Have to agree that our next car would not be a diesel.  I does seem to be a very strange place that Skoda are living in right now.  Our current diesel powered Yeti is only a year old, but recognise that it's resale value is likely to poor, so will be prepared to hold onto it longer than our normal 3 year term.  I'd rather be looking at a PHEV or Hybrid but again the Skoda offering is penciled in at 2020 for the Vision e, and i'm not so sure I'd want to buy something with so little history of manufacture.  I know it will be  common VW power plant but VW seem to be so far behind the curve with these developments anyway.

It's a confusing market right now and i'm glad i don't have to make any buying choices in the next year or so.  

4 hours ago, ernieb said:

It's a confusing market right now and i'm glad i don't have to make any buying choices in the next year or so.  

 

Definitely confusing.    A real shame that Skoda have let their customers down by offering a restricted engine/drive option.   After all the Karoq is an SUV so it should have or be offered in 4wd across the engine range - or as a minimum in the higher powered petrol engine !

@trambly71 not only they very likely to p**s off the ‘traditional’ customer I can not see how they are likely to attract any one else to the Skoda brand. It may well be that they will do what happened with the first Yeti’s, no DSG until a later build year as the availability of petrol engines become available. There is the Fabia replacement also a SUV repeortedly due 2018, surely that must have a petrol DSG option, maybe a smaller engine spec? (As well as a raft of similar VW, Seat, Audi etc., all seemingly based on the same chassis, engine and gearboxes, I guess that they are struggling to switch engine supplies from diesel to petrol and desperate to sell diesel capacity as it’s run down.)

what SUVs of a similar size to the Karoq have 4WD? 

and which of those are available with 4WD and a petrol engine ?

 

Am just wondering what the competition is, or if a 4x4 petrol Karoq would be a unique offering.

Edited 21 September, 20178 yr by Wet Kipper
spelleleling

'Traditional' Customers! 

The Yeti never sold in large numbers in the UK , no mater how Skoda spin their numbers, & over the past 8 years and the 2 wd's sold more than the AWD Yeti.

No doubt once Skoda UK see how the demand goes for the new Karoq they will be looking at what customers do want as drivetrains.

First they will be after Fleet / Lease sales, hire companies etc and have vehicles first registered and win 'What Car Car of the year 2018' before any customers even have one from a Dealership.

 

 

PS

Petrol AWD & 9 Speed Auto.

first to mind that i have driven, Jeep Renegade, 

not checked out the Fiat's 500X recently but there was those as well, same drivetrain.

Edited 21 September, 20178 yr by Headinawayoffski

7 minutes ago, Wet Kipper said:

what SUVs of a similar size to the Karoq have 4WD? 

and which of those are available with 4WD and a petrol engine ?

 

Am just wondering what the competition is, or if a 4x4 petrol Karoq would be a unique offering.

If just found out you can now get a Seat Ateca with 2.0L tsi 180 engine and 4x4, so unless Škoda offer the same in Karoq I quess I’ll be jumping ship to Seat or possible to Suzuki.

I think it is really down to what they will sell most of first. Then start to fill the gaps (models) later as they ramp up production.

13 minutes ago, Danny 57 said:

I think it is really down to what they will sell most of first. Then start to fill the gaps (models) later as they ramp up production.

 

Had this been 2 years ago, would have been understandable as diesel was then popular.

 

May have been more logical in current market where buying a diesel is seen as crazy to have concentrated on the petrols, then adding diesel options when production is ramped up.    Probably the reason is that the capacity of the production lines was determined couple of years ago and would lead to long waits for petrol models, and a glut of diesel engines with no vehicle.

3 hours ago, Danny 57 said:

I think it is really down to what they will sell most of first. Then start to fill the gaps (models) later as they ramp up production.

 

Exactly this. They will start with the mainstream models then branch out to fill some of the more niche variants.

While I'm sure they don't want to lose too many existing customers, they are there to make money and if they get three new buyers for each disgruntled Yeti owner that goes elsewhere, they won't lose any sleep.

 

Personally a 2WD petrol Edition would suit me very nicely.

2 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

 

Had this been 2 years ago, would have been understandable as diesel was then popular.

 

May have been more logical in current market where buying a diesel is seen as crazy...

 

Diesel is still very popular and for many it is the preferred choice and most definitely not 'crazy'.

 

There may be some of you that panic over the possibility of restricting diesels within cities but, given that there are no firm plans for such restrictions for newer (Post-2005) vehicles as yet and it is unlikely there will be any for some years yet, then you may be the crazy ones...  

Nope. Not crazy.

 

Diesel is only really appropriate if you do 10k miles pa, also they're a noisier when you start them up and with all of the debacle over the emissions, I wouldn't want a diesel as I'm pretty certain that their residuals will be pretty poor.

 

I definitely won't have a diesel as I haven't even clocked up 10k miles on my 22 month old vRS yet, it about 9700 so won't hit 10k until at least it's 24 months old, so whoever gets it after me is going to get one hell of a bargain (well they'll need 3 new wheels as the 19"ers I've got a kaput), as I can't even drive until at least October 16th when my surgeon makes the decision on me and I've been signed off until November 2nd by the doctor.

 

I also won't have a diesel as I don't want to worry about the expected severe depreciation due to the doubts over diesel & its potentially damaging environmental concerns.

 

So unless SUK change their minds regarding a DSG petrol 4x4 model, then I'll be considering another (much to my dismay) Octavia vRS, even though I think it's as ugly as hell.

31 minutes ago, TheWanderer said:

Diesel is only really appropriate if you do 10k miles pa...

 

And the rest.  Diesels make little financial sense to a great deal of the motoring public. But the public are stupid and see the 60+ mpg quoted in the brochure and read no further. 

 

Even with the bad press diesel has gotten recently, id wager it’ll still be the most popular choice for cars of this size. Mainly due to my reason above. 

 

With that said,  I am firmly in the petrol camp with you. 

Edited 21 September, 20178 yr by SC03OTT

My wife has had her diesel Yaris for 13 1/2years never goes more than 10-15 on its longest single journey has never (tempted fate now) broken down of had a DPF problem partly due I suppose that it does not have a DPF. Returns 55 plus in her hands and 60 in mine. Been a brilliant (only required tyres oil and filters, still on original pads and discs 70k) car but we will get a petrol next time (very soon) as you cannot get a car like the older ones (DPF etc. and I understand why).

Not decrying either petrol or diesel for future just making a statement about how good an older car was for us.

 

Have looked at what Skoda could offer her as a replacement but need the versatility of a one year old car at a sensible price, neither which the Ateca or Karoq to come will be, hence the Peugeot 2008 it will be for her.

Edited 21 September, 20178 yr by Danny 57

2 hours ago, SC03OTT said:

 

And the rest.  Diesels make little financial sense to a great deal of the motoring public. But the public are stupid and see the 60+ mpg quoted in the brochure and read no further. 

 

Even with the bad press diesel has gotten recently, id wager it’ll still be the most popular choice for cars of this size. Mainly due to my reason above. 

 

With that said,  I am firmly in the petrol camp with you. 

 

 

Isnt there a new real world mpg test coming, I thought it was due to be phased in from this month (although the old EU lab test still has to be quoted for a while).    If both appear in brochure (which might happen for an Oct17 launch) then people are going to quickly see through the EU official figure

 

I would say need to be thinking nearer 20k miles per year than 10k per year to justify a diesel with all its extra costs like periodic DPF cleaning and ad-blu.

 

Most people are not doing 400 miles per week, so would go for petrol unless misinformed that diesel saves them money regardless of mileage.

Edited 21 September, 20178 yr by SurreyJohn

Residuals do not matter to the VW Group if they want to sell new Karoq to themselves to rent / lease to some Fleet / Lease Companies and then get them back in 3 years.

They have cheap borrowed money to do as they wish with just to prove that they can sell diesels if Greenpeace let them get them into the UK.

 

RRP's might not be cheap on the Karoq in the UK but there might be some nice finance / lease deals available so that they can show they sell like hot cakes.

10 hours ago, Wet Kipper said:

what SUVs of a similar size to the Karoq have 4WD? 

and which of those are available with 4WD and a petrol engine ?

 

Am just wondering what the competition is, or if a 4x4 petrol Karoq would be a unique offering.

Suzuki Vitara 1.4S. Potentially my next purchase, though will probably stick to manual. 

Then without going for the Vitara S and the 1.4 petrol there is the Vitara 1.6 Petrol Auto 4wd which is about £22,000 and at the starting price of a Vitara S.

12 hours ago, Headinawayoffski said:

Then without going for the Vitara S and the 1.4 petrol there is the Vitara 1.6 Petrol Auto 4wd which is about £22,000 and at the starting price of a Vitara S.

 

But who wants a Suzuki?

 

Their motorbikes are OK, they used to be brilliant until they started putting mode buttons on, but I wouldn't have one now.

3 minutes ago, TheWanderer said:

 

But who wants a Suzuki?

 

Their motorbikes are OK, they used to be brilliant until they started putting mode buttons on, but I wouldn't have one now.

 Exactly - no Suzuki on my list and their bikes wouldn't be either.  No sure who would buy their uninteresting vehicles?

Probably only those that want a vehicle built in Central Europe (Hungary) with decent quality control.

http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/suzuki/suzuki-vitara 

http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/skoda/skoda-yeti 

 

Oddly VW wanted to buy Suzuki to get at their R&D and technologies on 'small capacity petrol  turbo engines' & Hybrid Petrol Electric vehicles,  & did have part of Suzuki until that night when the Emissions Scandal was away to hit the news and then Suzuki bought back their last shares from VW,

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-34275917 

or there is vehicles built in the Czech Republic with good quality control and warranties by Hyundai.

http://www.hyundai-motor.cz/english.php 

Edited 22 September, 20178 yr by Headinawayoffski

The new Boosterjet engine is supposedly a peach...