15 hours ago, Orville said:

Let's face it, the Karoq design is rather bland, and choice of colour will only make it slightly more or slightly less bland. I have ordered a Candy white one for three reasons. 1. It's a relatively cheap option for a Lease car (£195). 2. I already have a Sports Blue Octavia, and two blue cars would clash on my drive. 3. White is resistant to scratches and easy to patch-up (although it gets dirty and needs washing regularly).

 

If i was buying one to keep I'd go for velvet red or quartz grey. It's just not worth paying that much for extras on a Lease car.

 

To be honest, I wouldn't have considered a Karoq if it wasn't for the stupidly cheap lease prices. A 1.5 SE Tech DSG Karoq costs about the same as a base 1.0 Focus, Golf or Leon over 24-36 months.

Fair enough but I don't really agree with your reasoning on paying extra for more expensive paint etc. on a lease car. Some folks keep their cars for a long time but many don't even if funding via HP or PCP and even though that can be a more expensive way (usually at the moment) most of us choose the colour they want.

 

So unless you are trying to get a car as cheaply as possible then I don't see why the method of funding makes any difference. Paint colour or any other extras, you pays your money and make your choice.  

My reason for leasing is simple. It is FAR cheaper than the depreciation cost of purchasing outright or taking PCP over an equivelent period. Given that cost is an issue for me (and probably for most of us buying a Skoda), I begrudge spending a 10-20% total cost premium just for the colour of my car. This makes Energy Blue or Candy White the best choice for penny-pinching leasers.

 

*Cost of paint over 24-month Lease

Energy Blue = £0 / £0 pm surcharge

Candy White = £195 / £8.13pm surcharge

Velvet Red = £900 / £37.50 pm surcharge

All other colours = £555 / £23.13 pm surcharge

 

With an outright purchase or PCP the cost of paint and options works out cheaper, as the colour and some options can contribute to the future value of the car. With Lease deals you need to pay for the full cost of any options over the term, and the Leasing Agent takes the profits from added resale values.

 

Given that my lease deal will cost £173 pm, adding a further £23 to £37 pm for paint seems bonkers.

I contemplated getting PCP but then decided to buy in full.

 

I looked at GFV value that Skoda forcasted based on my spec, got value of X and then went to fleet website where they do same thing work out depreciation on model and two important inputs mileage and age and got same value X - i was surprised as it appears to be some generic standard calulcation to work this out, (i thought manufactures use their own data calculations to work this out). So I had two sources of information with same value.

 

I then factored in PCP interest I would have to pay over 3 years making the purchase more expensive than cash. The discount from carwow was same for cash or PCP (incl dealer contribution) purchase. So I have used the interest value as my logical buffer in two ways a. if I sell car at value x and no less then I saved on the buffer as I didn't go for PCP b. if I sell car for less than value x I guess then this where my buffer comes in to fill the gap between value x and sale price.

 

This logic probably works for me, for those who might keep the car and for those who can afford to pay full sum.

As a simple farmers son, when one needs a fresh motor, either second hand, pre-reg, or new, look around, haggle, pay a deposit with credit card, write cheque for the balance, and walk away.

Since re-sale value (=scrap value at 12 or 13 years/200 to 250,000 miles) does does figger in my sums.

This keeps life simple.

&, quite sobering to realize that one more car deal should see me to my late 70,s = probable end of my driving career.

I absolutely detest the car buying process, to me they are merely a necessary evil.

And car dealerships are our modern pre-death equivalent of medieval purgatoty. 

Others obviously hold different opinions.

Cheers,

mth

Cash and a handshake was good for much cheapness, ask few questions tell no lies, but money laundering checks messed that up at most dealerships.

Receipts and no VAT paid and such changed the ways of the world. The HMRC world.

 

Quick walk round! Nearly 27 mins.... 

Noticed the diesel did not have Ad blue, well in the fuel flap anyway. That did surprise me. Must look harder at specifications!

11 minutes ago, Danny 57 said:

Noticed the diesel did not have Ad blue, well in the fuel flap anyway. That did surprise me. Must look harder at specifications!

 

i think you will fond it on bigger engine 2.0

Thinking about it for more than 1/2 a second it was presumably a 1.6 litre diesel.

17 hours ago, Danny 57 said:

it was presumably a 1.6 litre diesel

 

I'm sure you are right Danny. It seems that every Skoda dealer I have driven past in the last couple of weeks has a Quartz Grey, Style, 1.6d Karoq on the forecourt. The factory must have done a mass run of them. Dealers say no Adblue for those.

 

I've also noticed that most of them have a "Sold" sticker on the windscreen. Don't know whether that is price or Christmas related....!

 

(the 1.6d's make sense as Diesel is still King here in Ireland and that size diesel engine (or close to it) would be the most popular on Sportages, Tucsons, Qashqai's, Tiguans, Ateca's,........and on and on.

 

Its not that people don't realise that Petrol engines may make more sense for they way they use their cars. It seems to me to be a distrust of Petrol at resale time and a perception that Petrol cars are always base models. (i.e. on the Tiguan, the only petrol is the 125hp TSi and it is only on the base model). 

 

Its the same with a Skoda Superb estate. The only petrol is the lowest spec level and the only engine is the same 1.4 Tsi 125hp. 

 

The Karoq and the Kodiak are a bit better in that you can get the 1.5 Tsi (Karoq) and 1.4 Tsi (Kodiak) with most specification levels.

People Leasing and handing back cars are less concerned of resale value and aware of their use.

Private buyers paying for a car to keep and sometime trade in are not that silly.

Taxation is different anyway in the UK compared to Ireland so different in that way as well maybe.

 

UK Buyers be that Leasing or Buying might well think different now on the Diesels for Business or Private Use seeing as they will be a VED Class Higher in the first year from April so a 2.0TDI will be up from £200 to £500, and cost more for leasing as well.

 

Unless Skoda / VW are going to drop the RRP and help shift their Euro 6 Diesels, which they might have to do, 

as will the other manufacturers.

20 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

Taxation is different anyway in the UK compared to Ireland so different in that way as well maybe.

 

You're right, it is. Our annual motor tax is only based on CO2 emissions (since mid 2008) - nothing else.

 

Size, cost, petrol, diesel or unicorn farts- doesn't matter. CO2 decides your annual motor tax whether you are EV, hybrid, full electron or dead dinosaur powered. Our recent budget changed nothing and didn't target diesel. We have a government that fears an election and Irish roads are paved with diesels. Business users Benefit In Kind tax is based on annual mileage only. Tax on fuel can only be reclaimed by businesses on diesel. Not petrol.

 

When purchasing new - the value will affect the VAT band the car falls into. If you're getting a very eco conscious car there can be a grant reducing the initial purchase price. Seeing as a Nissan Leaf needs €5,500 to get a new set of batteries - a DPF replacement doesn't seem so bad.  

EV Battery hiring can make sense for Business or Private vehicle users, and Grants depending on which UK country.

Then in Scotland interest free loans for 6 years when buying EV's, and free charging can count for a lot.

 

If Skoda / VW Group just get on with proper EV's with a decent range and not just City cars that would be good.

The VW E-Up! was pretty poor.

Maybe some EV Estate cars that can be Light Commercials.

 

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Any word in Ireland of 'Commercial' / Van versions of the Kodiaq or Karoq's, or do you not get Commercial / Van versions of vehicles in the way that Ireland did but the UK never.

Has the taxation on those changed?

On 07/12/2017 at 21:48, Danny 57 said:

Thinking about it for more than 1/2 a second it was presumably a 1.6 litre diesel.

 

 

Thats is the difference between Ireland and UK new car tax

 

In Ireland a 1.6 diesel style is listed at Euro 31,765 (which is £ 27,935)

in the UK can have a 1.6 diesel SE-L plus over £2500 of options for same money

or a 1.5 petrol Edition spec plus some options

 

In UK Edition spec has full leather, heated front seats, panoramic roof, full LED headlights, 19 inch wheels, radar, front parking sensors, blind spot detection etc as standard so lot of car for same money.

 

I don't know if it is even possible to match Edition spec if you live in Ireland, even if you are prepared to pay for just about every option available.

Edited 9 December, 20178 yr by SurreyJohn

4 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

 

 

Thats is the difference between Ireland and UK new car tax

 

In Ireland a 1.6 diesel style is listed at Euro 31,765 (which is £ 27,935)

in the UK can have a 1.6 diesel SE-L plus over £2500 of options for same money

or a 1.5 petrol Edition spec plus some options

 

In UK Edition spec has full leather, heated front seats, panoramic roof, full LED headlights, 19 inch wheels, radar, front parking sensors, blind spot detection etc as standard so lot of car for same money.

 

I don't know if it is even possible to match Edition spec if you live in Ireland, even if you are prepared to pay for just about every option available.

 

surprised to read this, so UK get better value for money?

 

20 minutes ago, vadimo said:

surprised to read this, so UK get better value for money?

 

Our new cars are subject to more tax. If I buy a new car here - or I import a car from the UK or anywhere else - there is a a tax called VRT (Vehicle Registration Tax) that the UK doesn't have. 

 

Dealers here have to include this tax in the cars advertised price. Because of that, we either pay more than the UK for an equivalent car OR Skoda can change/reduce the options to get the down. Usually, the UK trim levels will be more generous than ours.

 

What some Irish do in order to get "more value for money" is to go o the UK and get a good deal on a high spec Skoda. They get value for money in that they can purrchase the car for quite a bit less money - especially if it has a lot of options. A lot of people have been doing it this year because the exchange rate of the euro against sterling is also advantageous. Even after they pay our VRT and the cost of flights and ferries - they can save a few thousand. Many Irish members here have done this.

6 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

Any word in Ireland of 'Commercial' / Van versions of the Kodiaq or Karoq's

 

Not yet but the models are both too new for Skoda to have got around to that. I wouldn't think it will be long before somone commercialises one (i.e. removes the seats and makes the back into a van and declares it as such) to get the VAT back from the sale and save on other taxes.  I've seen commercialised versions of almost every mainstream and Luxury SUV there is here.

 

People are being a bit more careful though - there was a crackdown and quite a few were caught out after commercialising BMW X5's or similar, paying the reduced registration tax  (13% or so compared to 23-30% for a non commercialised vehicle)and then having the seats and windows restored....

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 December, 20178 yr by TheRobinK
Typo

Flights and ferries?, an theres ussens in Northern Ireland, part of the UK & merely a drive away, or are all our Skoda dealers such greedy buggers?

I have been tickled by the number of Dublin reg cars up round the Co. Antrim coast btw, though prob mostly hire cars on the GoT location visiting circuit (we live near the Dark Hedges and Ballintoy Harbour)

Anyway younz gets the cheaper diesel,

cheers

mth

18 minutes ago, TheRobinK said:

 

 

Our new cars are subject to more tax. If I buy a new car here - or I import a car from the UK or anywhere else - there is a a tax called VRT (Vehicle Registration Tax) that the UK doesn't have. 

 

Dealers here have to include this tax in the cars advertised price. Because of that, we either pay more than the UK for an equivalent car OR Skoda can change/reduce the options to get the down. Usually, the UK trim levels will be more generous than ours.

 

What some Irish do in order to get "more value for money" is to go o the UK and get a good deal on a high spec Skoda. They get value for money in that they can purrchase the car for quite a bit less money - especially if it has a lot of options. A lot of people have been doing it this year because the exchange rate of the euro against sterling is also advantageous. Even after they pay our VRT and the cost of flights and ferries - they can save a few thousand. Many Irish members here have done this.

 

learn something new everyday

 

I remember reading review on carwow for my chosen Skoda dealer in Surrey, this bloke complained and marked down them for not picking him up from airport from his Ireland trip. I thought why he is not buying it locally and then perhaps it's a bit much to expect from Skoda dealer.

3 minutes ago, marcusthehat said:

Flights and ferries?, an theres ussens in Northern Ireland, part of the UK & merely a drive away, or are all our Skoda dealers such greedy buggers?

 

I don't think you are too bad price wise - my brother has a thing for Skodas and VW's and he has bought them all in the North and imported them. It may just be the comparatively large selection of  models that are on sale at any one time across the water? 

35 minutes ago, TheRobinK said:

 

 

Our new cars are subject to more tax. If I buy a new car here - or I import a car from the UK or anywhere else - there is a a tax called VRT (Vehicle Registration Tax) that the UK doesn't have. 

 

 

There is a version in UK and its called new registration fee, it is fixed £55

 

EU open market law bans countries from adding tax other than VAT but Ireland gets round this by having a giant registration fee rather than normal sized admin fee

 

There is an advertised price called On The Road price, which includes this fee, number plates, delivery and first years annual road tax.  If car is exported (e.g. To Ireland) can claim the remaining months road tax back.

 

I suspect Irish buyers buy 3 months old ex dealer registered that are about 15-20% off list price, with negligible mileage, take them to Ireland and pay VRT on the lower invoiced amount.  They then get ex demos with lots of options for less money than buying in Ireland

'Stop, Search, Seize'  is my favourite programme.

i just love the relaxed style of the Garda and Customs when being filmed and how residents of Ireland caught with UK registered vehicles are surprised the vehicle is being seized and the have to pay cash to keep it, driven to an ATM or Bank.

Surely they must have watched Stop, Search, Seize....

 

 

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