Just a seemingly crazy idea came rushing through my head.

But is it?

 

I like so many others, are sick to the back teeth with irresponsible couldn't care less ignorant arses that carry on sticking 2 fingers up at society, and continue to drive around uninsured and no road tax, that WE, the honest ones ultimately have to pay for.

So, crazy idea.....but perhaps not so crazy, I don't know, why can't all cars manufactured have an ANPR system built into them, directly linked to the DVLA, for anyone pinging up to them only whilst driving illegally for follow up action by the authorities?

 

Not enough rozzers roaming around, so that would solve that problem immediately.

I think it's a cracking idea, and would create a 'no hiding place nationwide' constantly 24 hrs a day, every day to get this scum off the road

32 minutes ago, Adenuf said:

Just a seemingly crazy idea came rushing through my head.

But is it?

 

I like so many others, are sick to the back teeth with irresponsible couldn't care less ignorant arses that carry on sticking 2 fingers up at society, and continue to drive around uninsured and no road tax, that WE, the honest ones ultimately have to pay for.

So, crazy idea.....but perhaps not so crazy, I don't know, why can't all cars manufactured have an ANPR system built into them, directly linked to the DVLA, for anyone pinging up to them only whilst driving illegally for follow up action by the authorities?

 

Not enough rozzers roaming around, so that would solve that problem immediately.

I think it's a cracking idea, and would create a 'no hiding place nationwide' constantly 24 hrs a day, every day to get this scum off the road

As with all drivers who dont care about the law they will just carry on regardless

Or just install more ANPR cameras,

 

- Traffic lights

- public and private car parks

- drive throughs (this will probably catch the most of that 'culture' of people

?

What use is a Chip/Black Box/onboard ANPR unless it disables the vehicle after it flags up, and someone tries starting it,

 as those going around now with no VED, Insurance or MOT might well have legit or cloned Reg Plates & still no current Registered Keeper.

No VED is not a Police Matter, and even no MOT or Insurance of cars on the Public Highway do not interest some police.

ie Police Scotland Angus Division, unless a Royal is visiting and then they might get them shifted quick.

(rather than allowing an illegal car to sit on side streets for months.)

1 hour ago, Adenuf said:

Just a seemingly crazy idea came rushing through my head.

But is it?

 

I like so many others, are sick to the back teeth with irresponsible couldn't care less ignorant arses that carry on sticking 2 fingers up at society, and continue to drive around uninsured and no road tax, that WE, the honest ones ultimately have to pay for.

So, crazy idea.....but perhaps not so crazy, I don't know, why can't all cars manufactured have an ANPR system built into them, directly linked to the DVLA, for anyone pinging up to them only whilst driving illegally for follow up action by the authorities?

 

Not enough rozzers roaming around, so that would solve that problem immediately.

I think it's a cracking idea, and would create a 'no hiding place nationwide' constantly 24 hrs a day, every day to get this scum off the road

 

It will never be done, people like their privacy too much and the cost would be incredible. Not even all police vehicles have it fitted. In my force only specialist units (traffic and firearms) have it fitted to all their vehicles and each area has one fitted out for advanced trained drivers on area. The cost for a fitted ANPR system (including cameras/computers and the datalink software) is somewhere in the region of £10,000. 

 

The majority of no insurance offences I detect are actually on vehicles that are insured but driven by an uninsured party which never flags up on any camera, but relies on a proper bobby doing checks and stopping it when the face doesn't fit. 

29 minutes ago, Scuffer said:

 

It will never be done, people like their privacy too much and the cost would be incredible. Not even all police vehicles have it fitted. In my force only specialist units (traffic and firearms) have it fitted to all their vehicles and each area has one fitted out for advanced trained drivers on area. The cost for a fitted ANPR system (including cameras/computers and the datalink software) is somewhere in the region of £10,000. 

 

The majority of no insurance offences I detect are actually on vehicles that are insured but driven by an uninsured party which never flags up on any camera, but relies on a proper bobby doing checks and stopping it when the face doesn't fit. 

Cost would drop dramatically if we talk millions of units, surely.

I'm no techy at all, but surely a simplified ANPR system or equivalent could be fitted in bulk at the factories. 

 

I know we all like privacy, but if you've got nothing to hide, why should it be a problem?

I'm not talking about tapping into peoples private conversations or bedroom antics here, just those that need reeling in to protect the honest ones....the majority...from these selfish morons, that in my opinion, should be banned for life.

 

1 hour ago, Ally_bassman said:

Or just install more ANPR cameras,

 

- Traffic lights

- public and private car parks

- drive throughs (this will probably catch the most of that 'culture' of people

I was astounded in December whilst marshalling on the Grizedale Stages Rally, to find that visitors car parks within the forest, and in the main car park in Hawkshead, now use ANPR cameras to detect who is there, and if they've paid.

On a plus side to the Hawkshead car park at least, you are actually given ....i think iirc....48 hours to pay if you haven't got the right change or any money on you.

 

No humans are required

Edited 24 April, 20179 yr by Adenuf
typo's

I wonder if they ^^^ are linked to the DVLA to weed out no insurance and no tax offenders too btw? 

First 15 mins are free btw

Edited 24 April, 20179 yr by Adenuf

Not so long back English ANPR was only allowed to be used for certain purposes like against Organised Crime & Terrorism.

Vehicles used to get followed through England by camera's and visual but ANPR Cameras in Scotland could then pick up the vehicles Reg Numbers and 'Stops were made in Scotland later on, maybe further North in the case of Drug Runners having allowed them to reach a destination.

http://theferret.scot/police-scotland-dump-millions-anpr-records-privacy-fear 

 

If the Conservative Government get their way HMRC, DVLA, Police Forces, DWP etc will have a joined up system, catch those on the grip, 

entering Wickes, Halfords, Filling Stations etc while registered Keepers or the insured are un-employed, claiming benefits, banned etc etc.

 

They have made suggestions over the years of having systems like that anyway, catch parents not paying Child Support etc, and various 'Serious Offences' that the Government worries most about like Benefit Cheats.

Traders and no Income Tax Payers etc etc. Private vehicles insured as such but being used for Commercial Purposes, Couriers, Takeaway deliveries, private hire cars / taxis....

Edited 24 April, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

Every car...

 

So assuming you could get past data protection legislation, and RIPA...

 

Every car would need an active link up to a central back office system to process the plates read. So SIM card and black box in every motor, cellular connection 3G (at least) coverage to cope with every car covering every blackspot then enough police resources to actually act upon the identification of cars without ins/tax and deal with the false positives where your plate has been cloned.

 

I reckon £10 billion capital up front with £2 billion a year operational would probably do it. Happy to act as consultancy for 1%.

10 hours ago, Adenuf said:

I was astounded in December whilst marshalling on the Grizedale Stages Rally, to find that visitors car parks within the forest, and in the main car park in Hawkshead, now use ANPR cameras to detect who is there, and if they've paid.

On a plus side to the Hawkshead car park at least, you are actually given ....i think iirc....48 hours to pay if you haven't got the right change or any money on you.

 

No humans are required

 The retail car parks here have been using ANPR for in excess of 10 years. 

 

ANPR is only good for reading number plates and comparing them against a database. It's easy to fool a database or find a workaround so you don't flag up. 

10 hours ago, Adenuf said:

I wonder if they ^^^ are linked to the DVLA to weed out no insurance and no tax offenders too btw? 

First 15 mins are free btw

The DVLA have their own vans for no tax. But no insurance does ping on Police ANPR systems (fixed and mobile). Private ANPR set ups aren't linked to anything other than the companies own database where they record a time in/time out and send PCNs out to people who overstay the car parking limit. Every so often the local DVLA ANPR van is out and about in my area and you suddenly see a dozen or so cars with clamps fitted. 

Locally, we a press release a couple of years ago, that if the ANPR cameras ringing the town, pickedup a suspect vehicle ,then Police would use Council CCTV to track the vehicle until a unit could be dispatched ( in Warks SPARED)

Why don't they have ANPR cameras around that would issue a letter automatically to uninsured/untaxed cars?

 

They then have so long to produce their documents at the police station for their insurance.

 

They get an automatic fine for no tax.

 

Simple!

 

I've seen a DVLA tax check van parked on the York ring road quite regularly so I assume that they ping up any cars that are not taxed but caught on the road and automatically issue a fine?

They do have the cameras and the vans and they do issue penalty notices because the DVLA do not issue fines.  They go to registered keepers of vehicles though at addresses on the data base.  Which means not much unless the keeper is current

 

On 24/04/2017 at 10:23, Adenuf said:

Just a seemingly crazy idea came rushing through my head.

But is it?

 

I like so many others, are sick to the back teeth with irresponsible couldn't care less ignorant arses that carry on sticking 2 fingers up at society, and continue to drive around uninsured and no road tax, that WE, the honest ones ultimately have to pay for.

So, crazy idea.....but perhaps not so crazy, I don't know, why can't all cars manufactured have an ANPR system built into them, directly linked to the DVLA, for anyone pinging up to them only whilst driving illegally for follow up action by the authorities?

 

Not enough rozzers roaming around, so that would solve that problem immediately.

I think it's a cracking idea, and would create a 'no hiding place nationwide' constantly 24 hrs a day, every day to get this scum off the road

A) A half decent ANPR camera costs about £500. Are you prepared to pay that much extra on your new car?
You don't need anywhere near that many cameras on the road to get comprehensive coverage of the UK's roads.
C) Surprisingly, a lot of uninsured drivers don't bother registering their car with the DVLA, so you'd have no idea who was actually driving them, unless you are also going to give members of the public TPAC training so they can pull people.

 

It is a ridiculous idea.

 

Why not fit video cameras in every toilet so we can catch folks snorting coke on the bog seat????

 

As with everything else its the punishment thats out dated and inapropriate..

 

4 hours ago, Phil-E said:

Why don't they have ANPR cameras around that would issue a letter automatically to uninsured/untaxed cars?

 

They then have so long to produce their documents at the police station for their insurance.

 

They get an automatic fine for no tax.

 

Simple!

 

I've seen a DVLA tax check van parked on the York ring road quite regularly so I assume that they ping up any cars that are not taxed but caught on the road and automatically issue a fine?

Again, locally I've seen ANPR vans drive round here and also recently seen at least two cars with a DVLA clamp on.

If you suspect a vehicle is untaxed, nothing to stop you looking on here

https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle

and letting 101 if you find one untaxed. Police don't just fine/clamp-they get in recovery and seize the vehicle.

On 5/2/2017 at 20:37, VWD said:

Again, locally I've seen ANPR vans drive round here and also recently seen at least two cars with a DVLA clamp on.

If you suspect a vehicle is untaxed, nothing to stop you looking on here

https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle

and letting 101 if you find one untaxed. Police don't just fine/clamp-they get in recovery and seize the vehicle.

Not everywhere, only certain forces will remove untaxed vehicles, hence why DVLA have their own ANPR vans, clampers and removal trucks. In my force we don't even create a call log for reports of untaxed vehicles unless they are causing an obstruction or suspected stolen/false plates. We don't even go out to abandoned vehicles as that's the councils domain now too. 

The rich dodge income tax, the poor can't afford Road tax.

 

As ever, there's money to be made from the easy target. 

11 hours ago, Scuffer said:

Not everywhere, only certain forces will remove untaxed vehicles, hence why DVLA have their own ANPR vans, clampers and removal trucks. In my force we don't even create a call log for reports of untaxed vehicles unless they are causing an obstruction or suspected stolen/false plates. We don't even go out to abandoned vehicles as that's the councils domain now too. 

Abandoned / scrap /dodgy looking are dealt by our Warks county .Used to be run ,primarily by the Fire Service under the name "Crusher", now it's called car clear. Certain areas have a high priority ,as abandoned cars often spontaneous combust. Otherwise Police deal . What is so strange ,locally is that it's only the town centre that has cameras, and is patrolled.

Steve- simple solution, too simple for those in Westminster- add a few extra pence to fuel and scrap VED.

On 4/24/2017 at 11:06, Ally_bassman said:

Or just install more ANPR cameras,

 

- Traffic lights

- public and private car parks

- drive throughs (this will probably catch the most of that 'culture' of people

Northamptonshire has plenty of ANPR cameras, and every force car now has it fitted.