1 minute ago, lol-lol said:

 

I will do the magic "double-nickel" ie 55 mph ie 90 kph when I am either early for a meeting or just seeing how good I can get the consumption.

 

Indicated 70 mpg on the 3 cylinder petrols in this sweet spot is not impossible. Probably in reality between 65 and 70 mpg. wind has it part of course.

 

What is amazing is the cars have not got a lot more economical in the last few decades but then they have nearly doubled in weight with all the safety and comfort built into them now.

 

Cheaper and lighter hybrids with even smaller petrol engine is what we need to both improve consumption and lower emissions.    

 

I’m looking to completely abandon servicing of an ICE, thus initially a BEV as a second car, then slide gracefully into it as the sole vehicle.......it’ll be out of warranty by then too.

22 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

I do the exact same mileage as you (62 miles, 124 mile round trip). 1/3 country roads, 1/3 single carriageway A-roads and 1/3 dual carriageway A-roads.

I bought this for £12,000 in 2013 at 18 months old, a 14,000 mile 2.0 TDi (140PS) SE...

Oh, and I haven't had the emissions recall carried out and never will.

 

 

Hopefully the UK government will get its act together and if they find any diesel past its fix date will tow it away and crush it with no compensation for the sake of the 40k pa.  

22 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

I do the exact same mileage as you (62 miles, 124 mile round trip). 1/3 country roads, 1/3 single carriageway A-roads and 1/3 dual carriageway A-roads.

 

It's just clicked over 133,000 miles and I plan to run it for as long as it proves to be reliable.

 

Oh, and I haven't had the emissions recall carried out and never will.

 

Pretty similar here. I do ~110 miles a day in my '61 plate CR140 Octavia and currently average 58 mpg. Bought it at three years old and it's just ticked over 128000 miles.

 

So far the only issue has been a wire for the EGR cooler bypass wearing through which was a five minute fix in the work carpark.

 

It's also possible to retrofit ESP, I did it on my Octavia for ~£150 inc a brake fluid change.

11 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Hopefully the UK government will get its act together and if they find any diesel past its fix date will tow it away and crush it with no compensation for the sake of the 40k pa.  

 

 

Oh how disillusioned you are.

Back in 2013 I did the same journey in my Octavia scout cr 140. I can't remember mpg but do recall easily getting  a full week out of a tank, circa 625 miles. 55l tank would mean around 52mpg....

6 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

Oh how disillusioned you are.

 

Clearly the Con government will do little but it appears cities like London will and other cities are set to follow.  It may be just taxing the older dirty diesel into uneconomic oblivion as long as it achieves the end result of cleaner vehicles in urban area.  It happened to my nice 2.5 litre Jaaag and will happen to non-SCR diesel over the next few months or year or two thankfully.    

Maybe I should take on the wife's Yeti.... With maybe a set of lowering springs to reduce the gap and give better mpg.... Although how much better could it be. It an elegance 2.0 tdi dsg (4x4)....

1 hour ago, langers2k said:

 

Pretty similar here. I do ~110 miles a day in my '61 plate CR140 Octavia and currently average 58 mpg. Bought it at three years old and it's just ticked over 128000 miles.

 

So far the only issue has been a wire for the EGR cooler bypass wearing through which was a five minute fix in the work carpark.

 

It's also possible to retrofit ESP, I did it on my Octavia for ~£150 inc a brake fluid change.

£150 sounds great. Did you check abs module first or just lucky?

An Octavia indulgence -

https://www.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/2018-skoda-octavia-rs245-review-116608.html

^^^ Skoda UK stopped taking orders on the vRS 245, and those with ones ordered are having the Build Week put back and some left wondering just when they may get the 245 vRS they were expecting. So just the usual there, confusion from dealerships.

9 hours ago, thewez said:

£150 sounds great. Did you check abs module first or just lucky?

 

I had to swap the ABS pump, bracket and electrical connector. They were all used parts which is why the cost stayed low, more details here: https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/360022-anyone-tried-a-mk70-mk60ec1-abs-swap-now-done/ The hardest bit is definately the connector change as you're dealing with a good number of wires.

 

Retrofitting a MK60EC1 should be valid for any car with a MK70m ABS pump fitted, in my case it was the MK2 FL Octavia.

 

I think the MK2 pre-FL Octavia has an older MK70 unit which may have different sized brake pipes, I know the similar aged MK60 did.

7 hours ago, Ryeman said:

An Octavia indulgence -

https://www.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/2018-skoda-octavia-rs245-review-116608.html

 

Bought a 200 hp TSI Octy 2 for £17K and it did 0-60 in around 7 seconds and 150 mph.

 

New one is a bit quicker, ie half a second, top speed also a little bit more and it cost £10k more than seven years ago.  

 

Also the Octy 3 seems to have a rather small fuel tank for those of us who did the big miles but want the petrol version.  

 

This is where the Superb starts to look like the better car for those that want a real performance car, with this sort of power 4 wheel drive become necessary to put the power down in the UK's cool and often damp conditions.  Good sized fuel tank meaning not having to fill up twice in a day ! 

^^^^^ ahhhh......yes I remember the era when 0 - 60 was an important issue.

L/100 is my game now......sigh........zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

A Dacia is probably a pretty good option. You'd get one new in budget so you'd have 2yr warranty (till your mileage ends it).

Used you could get something nearly new. They're so cheap you won't lose much.

 

Using your missus Yeti is not a great move. No point in ruining a nice car with that mileage.

Bangeromics isn't a bad idea either. Pick up some well maintained granny car for £1k and hope you get a year out of it. could be much cheaper than running something nice.

But you'd want the best breakdown cover you can get.

 

A check on autotrader implies that quote a few people are using Dacias for that task. Quite a few young high mileage cars. And tbh they look like they are holding their money ok.

Ok it's hardly a dream car but you need a tool not a fashion accessory.

Edited 8 December, 20178 yr by Aspman

A Toyonda is a tool.

12 hours ago, silver1011 said:

I do the exact same mileage as you (62 miles, 124 mile round trip). 1/3 country roads, 1/3 single carriageway A-roads and 1/3 dual carriageway A-roads.

I bought this for £12,000 in 2013 at 18 months old, a 14,000 mile 2.0 TDi (140PS) SE...

It's just clicked over 133,000 miles and I plan to run it for as long as it proves to be reliable.

I average 49mpg (manually calculated) with quite lengthy stints at 75-80mph.

It's been a very good car, lacks a few creature comforts but other than a premature failure of the clutch plate (well documented weakness with Sachs) all it has had is regular servicing (I change the oil myself every 10-15K) including a £300 cambelt and waterpump.

It is extremely comfortable, arguably designed for our type of commute.

Sure it's probably only worth 50p right now but if I get another 2 or 3 years out of it (200,000+ miles) it will have easily paid for itself.

I'm sure a smaller car would prove more fuel efficient but remember you are spending hours in the thing every day (3 hours for me), paying for a little more comfort is well worth it.

Oh, and I haven't had the emissions recall carried out and never will.

 

 

 

I agree this is one of the cheapest ways to run a car to do a highish mileage. Buy a highish depreciator cheap at just over 1 year old and effectively throw away at the end.

 

I do less miles (circa 16k/year at the moment)  but have done this for decades. Got 10 years out of my last Superb, (bought for £8k at 18 months old) and hope to run it's replacement (bought for £10k at 14 months ) until I retire. With that sort of distance it's not just the cheap running costs that matter (beware the cost of tyres!) but also you need to be comfortable. It helps being quietly wafted to work in "Superb" comfort. 

 

If I was doing a higher mileage I would  have considered a Toyota hybrid of some sort though. Despite the electronic complications actually the oily bits are very simple(especially the transmition) . With this sort of commute you'd get starship mileages out of them and other bits don't wear out . There is no wearing clutch, alternator and starter as such and brake pads last years as much of the braking unless you push the brake pedal hard is actually done by the re-generation (brake pedal increases regeneration when you initially push down, brake pads only used when you push harder). A firend of mine does very high mileage in a Toyota Auris Tourer hybrid, bought in a similar way as above - ie just over a year old

 

1 hour ago, bigjohn said:

 

 

I agree this is one of the cheapest ways to run a car to do a highish mileage. Buy a highish depreciator cheap at just over 1 year old and effectively throw away at the end.

 

I do less miles (circa 16k/year at the moment)  but have done this for decades. Got 10 years out of my last Superb, (bought for £8k at 18 months old) and hope to run it's replacement (bought for £10k at 14 months ) until I retire. With that sort of distance it's not just the cheap running costs that matter (beware the cost of tyres!) but also you need to be comfortable. It helps being quietly wafted to work in "Superb" comfort. 

 

If I was doing a higher mileage I would  have considered a Toyota hybrid of some sort though. Despite the electronic complications actually the oily bits are very simple(especially the transmition) . With this sort of commute you'd get starship mileages out of them and other bits don't wear out . There is no wearing clutch, alternator and starter as such and brake pads last years as much of the braking unless you push the brake pedal hard is actually done by the re-generation (brake pedal increases regeneration when you initially push down, brake pads only used when you push harder). A firend of mine does very high mileage in a Toyota Auris Tourer hybrid, bought in a similar way as above - ie just over a year old

 

 

Tyre costs I solve by buying from Tyreleader and then having them fitted locally for a £10 a rim.  

Get them for about half the price of published normal price of the big tyre retail companies.

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/  

 

 

7 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Tyre costs I solve by buying from Tyreleader and then having them fitted locally for a £10 a rim.  

Get them for about half the price of published normal price of the big tyre retail companies.

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/  

 

 

 

Tyre leader helps but I find the prices at Blackcircles about the same and the fitting is done by a convenient fitter. Obviously much cheaper than the usual tyre companies

 

My point is to do with the size/profile/life/cost of the tyres

 

If you have a tallish profile tyres are generally cheaper and last longer - mine are 205/55 R16 - I got a full set of Michelin Cross climates for about £300 - my previous set of tyres did over 35k miles.

If you have very low profile tyres (a friend of mine with a newish Audi A4 has tyres that need replacing at 11k miles!) which are nearly £1000/set  then at 30,000 miles/year that becomes a very significant cost.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 December, 20178 yr by bigjohn

Umm cant believe that I'd say this but..... Citroen C5??

7 hours ago, bigjohn said:

 

Tyre leader helps but I find the prices at Blackcircles about the same and the fitting is done by a convenient fitter. Obviously much cheaper than the usual tyre companies

 

My point is to do with the size/profile/life/cost of the tyres

 

If you have a tallish profile tyres are generally cheaper and last longer - mine are 205/55 R16 - I got a full set of Michelin Cross climates for about £300 - my previous set of tyres did over 35k miles.

If you have very low profile tyres (a friend of mine with a newish Audi A4 has tyres that need replacing at 11k miles!) which are nearly £1000/set  then at 30,000 miles/year that becomes a very significant cost.

 

I am not a fan of really low profile tyres and I tend to have a set of the winter sized tyres for all my various cars so the summer tyres last several months longer by using, what are usually cheaper than summer, winter/all season tyres so one gets the best of options with good grip in the winter and save the low profile summer tyres for when they work best in early spring to late autumn ie when the temperature remains above 7C most of the time I travel.  problem is storing severally sets of spare rims/tyres as we do not have rims/tyres "hotels" as the do in other countries.    

 

+1 on the mk2 Superb someone put up earlier. 

 

That is going to be my next one once my Caddy dies.  I have the 1.6cr which has had the 'fix' done which killed the mpg and although it is now much better than it was, it is definitely a lot more speed sensitive than it was before.  I have the same engine in my wifes Fabia Estate, but fitted with the cr177 turbo and associated ancillaries, Brimma's old project, so no fix done, and it is a great car to drive about.  I suspect if you did something similar to the Superb Elegance Greenline, about 2012 for well under £8k, retrofit the turbo and bigger intercooler, you'd be golden.  I do 120 miles a day for work, and it isn't comfy stuck for over 2 hours some days just to get home in a Caddy, or even the Fabia, although both are still miles ahead of my mk1 Fabia vRs on seat comfort.

 

My pick would be a 2.0cr tdi L&K mk2 Superb without the fix having been done.  Bound to be one on the forum for sale.

On 08/12/2017 at 09:02, lol-lol said:

Also the Octy 3 seems to have a rather small fuel tank for those of us who did the big miles but want the petrol version.  

 

This is where the Superb starts to look like the better car for those that want a real performance car, with this sort of power 4 wheel drive become necessary to put the power down in the UK's cool and often damp conditions.  Good sized fuel tank meaning not having to fill up twice in a day ! 

 

The Superb III might have but my Superb II only has a Golf sized tank. I can get about 500 miles whereas I could get another 100 miles in my old Passat doing poorer mpg. Plus the fact the light comes on a bit earlier makes it feel even smaller

7 minutes ago, SuperbTWM said:

 

The Superb III might have but my Superb II only has a Golf sized tank. I can get about 500 miles whereas I could get another 100 miles in my old Passat doing poorer mpg. Plus the fact the light comes on a bit earlier makes it feel even smaller

 

The Superb II had a well odd fuel tank gauge I seem to recall with few people managing to get the stated fuel tank amount in even if they had it down to zero miles on the range computer.  I only had a Superb Mk1 with the excellent 1.9 PD 130 hp so it could easily do 600 miles.

 

With the Fabia 2 VRS it was using the vent button inside the filler neck to get another 5 litres or so in there, as long as on was using it right away and not parking it in a place like opposite the walkie talkie building where the car would get hot and the fuel expand hand have nowhere to go. Got over 600 miles out of the Fabia 2 VRS on one long run and back!

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23930675  

 

A range of less than 500 miles in a car is a complete no-no to me as I sometimes do that in a day (like last Saturday). 

Tank size doesn't bother me, as I have to stop for coffee once in each direction or I start to suffer from caffeine deficiency (legit illness that I just made up).

If you want/need ESP, anything built/ registered on or after 01/03/2010 must have esp as standard, thats when it became mandatory for ALL manufactures to fit it to uk and european spec vehicles, so will be standard on all 2010 onwards octavia's and Seat's.