Transmission problem in a 7 speed DSG (yikes)

[Ootohere]

http://potholes.co.uk/claims/highways_act 

Well-Maintained Highways.mhtml

Edited 28 January, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[WFM]

We should also be aware that if any council has to defend against a claim for damages they will, quite often, pay out if they decide it would cost more to defend.

[adeward]

So, a follow-up.

 

The garage replaced the broken driveshaft and returned the vehicle Monday afternoon - all was fine, although I was £337.44 lighter. They had found no other issues.

 

We took it out for a spin this afternoon, did about 40 miles without issue up to 70mph speeds. On the last leg of our journey home, whilst pulling away from standstill at a junction to an A road (50mph), the exact same thing happened again - a sudden grinding, clattering, and the car is unable to drive. There was an unpleasant burning smell, too, but only for a moment.

 

So the Yeti is back at the garage and the story continues.

Edited 30 January, 2018 by adeward
Grammar

[adeward]

Final follow-up. Luckily the driveshaft didn't completely break the second time, so that has been fixed. However, the problem has been traced back to a faulty gearbox mount on the passenger side, which had collapsed, leaving the gearbox slightly out of alignment. Normally this isn't a problem, but under heavy acceleration, the additional force twists the block causing the driveshaft to pop.

 

Coincidentally, whilst Googling I happened to find someone with a Mk4 Golf having the same problem. Apparently they are designed to fail in this manner, which was interesting to learn.

Edited 31 January, 2018 by adeward

[Daveyeti]

Glad it's all sorted for you and thanks for sharing your issues. 

[JED]

Well you lean something new every day  but at my age i also forget something.  wheres did i put the wife .??

[adeward]

1 hour ago, JED said:

  wheres did i put the wife .??

 

Well, she's not in my gearbox.

[Brijo]

1 hour ago, JED said:

Well you lean something new every day  but at my age i also forget something.  wheres did i put the wife .??

You sure you're married ?

[JED]

41 minutes ago, Brijo said:

You sure you're married ?

Yeh its a bit like cricket i lost the ashes .  

[adeward]

So, driveshaft has popped out again - third time in a week. It’s back at the garage again this weekend after the wife got stranded in the woods in the middle of the night (she was impressed!). They’ll check alignment on everything on Monday but are a bit mystified.

[Llanigraham]

Two possibilities that I can think of:

1/ When you hit the pot hole you bent some of the suspension members, which has put it out of line. 4 wheel tracking check might confirm that.

 

2/ When the car had it's original accident to whole "chassis" has twisted and it hasn't been checked and repaired correctly. Again the above might confirm that but it could also mean the car being put on a body alighment jig. That could be expensive!

 

Aside: when I worked supplying Body Shops I remember a customer who had a new FWD Escort brought in, where the customer was complaining that the car "crabbed" when driven. That was put on the jig and was found to be 2" shorter on one side. They connected up the rams and chains and it went out later that day totally square. And the customer was never told the real reason, just that they had "adjusted" the suspension settings!

[Sad555]

Let’s hope it’s third time lucky,,,,,,,,,,,is this the main dealers having a dapple?

[Llanigraham]

I'm wondering who "repaired" it after it's first accident, whether it was a main dealer or whether it had been sold at auction by the insurance company and bought by some nefarious repairer and then sold on.
Somehow I think I know the answer!

[Ootohere]

A post on the first page tells you.

Owned by Mobility, crashed, bought from a salvage yard, repaired at a VW Independent.

[Expatman]

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

A post on the first page tells you.

Owned by Mobility, crashed, bought from a salvage yard, repaired at a VW Independent.

Oh dear, that doesn't sound great news. It needs a total body alignment check to start with otherwise I fear it's good money after bad. Hopefully it's okay but the portends are not good.

[x19]

In the 60's and 70's it wasn't unusual to see cars crabbing, i.e. being offset from the parallel, when being driven.  When stopped and the distances between the centres on the 2 wheels on each side of the vehicle were measured, they often showed differences of up to 3 inches.  Good evidence for "Dangerous Condition" under the Con & Use Regs.

[kenfowler3966]

Yes I bought a mini which turned out to have accident repairs. 1” less between near side wheels than offside.

Still drove it 30k miles like that with no mot issues

[Llanigraham]

6 hours ago, kenfowler3966 said:

Yes I bought a mini which turned out to have accident repairs. 1” less between near side wheels than offside.

Still drove it 30k miles like that with no mot issues

 

That was within BL tolerence!

[adeward]

Just spoke to the garage - everything is fully in alignment, no issues anywhere on the chassis or with the suspension - “it’s perfect” were his words. They’re going to drain the gearbox of oil and look for foreign objects that might give a clue. It might also be a fault with the differential (can you hear me nodding cluelessly and saying “oh right?”). The garage owner has a friend who works at Skoda who he’s going to ask him for advice if the oil drain doesn’t indicate anything.

[Ootohere]

What exactly is your Yeti,  a 1.2 TSI with a 7 Speed DSG ?

[adeward]

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

What exactly is your Yeti,  a 1.2 TSI with a 7 Speed DSG ?

 

Post-facelift “urban” 2015, 1.2 TSI 81kW with 7 speed DSG 

[adeward]

So my local garage is struggling to find any further faults. They took an oil sample from the DSG and found nothing unusual - I mentioned I'd read that the wrong DSG oil can cause problems (apparently the cause of a large DSG recall programme), but he said he thought it was the right oil ("it certainly looks and smells like DSG oil"). His friend at Skoda doesn't think it's likely to be a DSG fault since it appears to be behaving perfectly normal and it has no other faults (all gears engage and drive correctly). He's spoken to two other DSG specialists and both of them said something similar.

 

He pointed out that 2 out of the 3 times it's happened, was immediately after pulling out of a T-junction whilst turning hard left. Also the fact that it was the nearside driveshaft and gearbox mount that had broken, seemed to suggest it was something to do with alignment, but all of the alignment checks he's done (he's spent hours on it) have revealed nothing.

 

Other than replacing the driveshaft yet again and keeping fingers crossed, does anyone have any more suggestions?

 

- Desperate, and thoroughly determined never to buy a Cat D again.

[Ootohere]

 

 

You have a 2015 Yeti,  So the DQ200 has Mineral OIl,  that was what was used after the World Wide Recall in 2013 to put in Mineral Oil instead of Synthetic oil. 

Then Mineral oil is used from the factory.  

That was about internal Corrosion because of Sulphur. 

The Service campaign from 2013-2015 for DQ200 with Mineral OIl is about Heat & Pressure, Service Campaign '34H5' for a software update, started late 2017.

 

That really is highly unlikely to have anything to do with your driveshaft issue.

http://skoda.co.nz/news/dsg-service-campaign 

Volkswagen ‘DSG issue’ is over, transformation of aftersales services underway _ Motor Trader Car News.mhtml

Volkswagen Passenger Cars Malaysia meets with customers, announces additional two-year DSG warranty - #MTHRFKNWIN.mhtml

Edited 8 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[Llanigraham]

What alignment checks has he done?

Was it just wheel alignment?

Edited 8 February, 2018 by Llanigraham

[adeward]

29 minutes ago, Llanigraham said:

What alignment checks has he done?

Was it just wheel alignment?

 

I don't have a precise list, so I'm only going on what he's told me over the phone but he's checked everything including the chassis and found absolutely no misalignment. He's going to go back and repeat but I did get the impression they'd spent a long time and been quite thorough.