Tyres wrongly refitted ?

[Garythenoo]

Hi folks !

 

Got my wee VRS back last Tuesday from the garage after the wheels were refurbished .

Noticed a lot more noise as usual when driving and it is like a whirring noise from the wheels.

Gets louder the faster you go and depending on the quality of surface it is there or a bit quieter.

 

At first I thought it was a bearing but I really don't think it is .

I remembered to check the tyres also which I did this morning and noticed that one side has the tread facing

the opposite side from the other !!

 

The tyres are Avon ZZ5's which are Asymmetric so after doing my home work I reckon the wheel painter

has cocked up....am I right ? The tyres were on the car when I bought her !

 

Cheers, Gary.

 

  

[Ootohere]

If the lettering  'OUTSIDE' is not on the Outside

or the direction arrow if there is one is not pointing forward and down they will be on wrong.

 

Are the Bolt seat OK, no paint in them.  Have you checked the tightness again?

Edited 11 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[Garythenoo]

Hi offski !

 

I haven't checked the bolts but will do ...should have been the 1st thing to do eh !

I don't see "outside" written on the tyre but I will get a second pair of eyes to make sure. 

Thanks for the picture too. 

 

Will keep you informed .

 

Cheers. Gary.

 

[Ootohere]

When you are at it check the tyre pressures. 

Go 33 psi front and rear and reset the TPMS, and see from there if you want to go lower after a drive.

(remember and put air in the spare wheel as well.)

[Gizmo]

You would need to take the wheel off to check but sometimes the centre spigot of the wheel (the part with the copper slip on below) has too much paint / powder coat on it meaning the wheel does not sit flush on the hub, this will have the same effect as a buckled wheel and will result in vibration:

[Ootohere]

And if the face going on the hub as in that picture has Powder Coating or paint on it get that cleaned off.

[kevberlin]

In view of the fact I am having Vrs wheels refurbed this week, this thread is very useful. Thanks.

[Garythenoo]

So far I have only checked the writing on the tyres. They all say outer on the side wall ...not outside but I'd say it means the same !! 

I don't get any vibration . It looks very odd to see one side of tread pointing in one direction and other side of cars tyres pointing other way. Surely they must point in same direction.  

I will check the wheels and bolts tomorrow as I want to get to the bottom of the problem and didn't have it before repaint. 

I wondered if it was possible to have "saw toothing " on an asymmetrical tyre ? 

If you looked at my rear axle.  Off side tyre points forwards and nearside rearwards !! Tyre pressures will be done tomorrow too. Just wait for the nosey neighbours to go !

Hopefully find out what is the problem by end of day !!! 

 

Thanks . Gary.

 

[Ootohere]

This is the car from John Clark Group yes?

 

Did you have the wheels refurbished by someone at your expense?

Did you just leave the car & they have taken off the wheels and then the tyres and refurb?

 

You need to get those wheels off and see all is well on the mounting face.

 

I hope the jacked the car carefully and not on the rear beam.

That is a worry.    Take care how you do it. 

Talk with the Wheel Refurbisher.

 

Sawtoothing is not a Mk2 Fabia vRS issue, 

the rear tyres do sometimes take a shape after use, and can become scrap, but that is not common.

Your car is on lowering springs maybe. 

Edited 11 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[Garythenoo]

Hi offski. Yeah this is the one from John Clark Group.  Not been too impressed and didn't want to spend another day or two travelling back and forth to Edinburgh. Hoping an easy solution to solve .

They refurbished my wheels at their expense as part of the deal and yes I dropped it off at the garage . Don't know if in house or contractor .

I'm quite busy on days off just now so don't need the hassle. If this is how bad their work is in Edinburgh I'd rather take else where which is wrong as letting them off the hook but my preference really. 

Managed to find pics of other asymmetrical tyres and they can point in opposite direction!! Rules the tyres out then !! Maybe a rub  down is required.

I will take care when jacking and have a colleague to help. Really want to give garage a *******ing tomorrow but they will just ask to look at it etc. 

Could it still be a bearing with no feel of it through steering ?

 

Cheers. Gary.

 

 

 

[Garythenoo]

4 hours ago, Gizmo said:

You would need to take the wheel off to check but sometimes the centre spigot of the wheel (the part with the copper slip on below) has too much paint / powder coat on it meaning the wheel does not sit flush on the hub, this will have the same effect as a buckled wheel and will result in vibration:

No vibration but worth a look . Thanks for the advice and help. Much appreciated. 

[Ootohere]

It could be a bearing, but not a common issue really.

Best look in good light from the rear and see just how the wheels are sitting.

 

Can you go into those Kwik Flit dancing guys for them to have a look under using some pretence, 

or is there someplace you would normally go. 

 

Gizmo posted the important bit.

The wheels are a tight fit on the hub, and sometimes the wheels are badly corroded in the centre bore, 

you want the wheels off and check them.

[Garythenoo]

Hi offski. Yeah I was wanting to go into some place similar and get them to have a good look. 

Place is under a bit of snow here today so might be tomorrow now if I take them off myself.

Want to have a good look around the caliper etc in case of damage or excess paint as suggested .

 

Cheers Gary  

[globalste]

15 hours ago, Garythenoo said:

So far I have only checked the writing on the tyres. They all say outer on the side wall ...not outside but I'd say it means the same !! 

I don't get any vibration . It looks very odd to see one side of tread pointing in one direction and other side of cars tyres pointing other way. Surely they must point in same direction.  

I will check the wheels and bolts tomorrow as I want to get to the bottom of the problem and didn't have it before repaint. 

I wondered if it was possible to have "saw toothing " on an asymmetrical tyre ? 

If you looked at my rear axle.  Off side tyre points forwards and nearside rearwards !! Tyre pressures will be done tomorrow too. Just wait for the nosey neighbours to go !

Hopefully find out what is the problem by end of day !!! 

 

Thanks . Gary.

 

Asymmetric is different to directional tyres.  Asymmetric has an inner and outer, they sometimes have an arrow which can be confusing, but by definition two will have arrows facing backwards as all the tyres are the same.  Directional tyres are symmetrical, so they don’t have an inner and outer but the arrow must point forwards.

 

if it sounds like the car tyres are humming/whirring, then they are worn in an egg shape and you’ve somehow got an unfortunate combination when the wheels were put back together to make the noise more noticeable than before.  How much tread is on the tyre as they’d need to have some reasonable wear for this to happen.  Also, what is the steering like, does it pull or drift one side or another on the dual carriageway?  This would suggest the alignment is out and hence why the tyres have worn unevenly and hence the road noise.

 

that would be my solution, as skoda tried to sell me a car with that exact problem.  I took it to an independent tyre and alignment specialist who showed the egg shaped tyres on a ramp (despite them having 4-5mm on them), I got skoda to give me 4 new Bridgestone potenzas, then got the car realigned, and then got a super pro caster correction bushing to stop the drift.  No more noise, drives straight and true.

[Kobayashi]

When i got some spare 17"" gigaro's wheels blasted & re-sprayed they were in a bad way, they were supposedly balanced by my 'wheel man' but the car was pulling to the left on brand new Uniroyal tyres.

 

Took it to ATS & they re balanced the wheels by moving the little weights. The tracking was already spot on.

 

If your wheels have been doctored by the refurb procedure maybe take car to ATS or equivalent, also did the refurb man put the wheels back on in same order?

 

[Garythenoo]

Hi guys. Thanks for sharing both your experiences which seems similar to mine. 

Hopefully I'll get her into an autocentre tomorrow or day after and get it checked. 

I never met the refurbisher so haven't a clue if he has put the wheels back in same place. I don't think he has !! 

Thank you both for your help .

 

Regards 

Gary. 

[KenONeill]

@Garythenoo - Asymmetric tyres refers to the construction, not the tread pattern. They can also be directional so check for arrows which should point down on the front end of the tyre (as fitted) and up on the back end.

 

Otherwise it's also possible that they're all correctly fitted, but on opposite sides having recently been reversed to cure the drone caused by saw-toothing before you bought the car.

[Ootohere]

In my 6 years on this forum i have yet to hear of a single member that had a Mk2 Fabia vRS with saw-toothing.

Maybe there are some and they will post.

No adjustability with the rear axle, just the risk of bending it putting a trolley jack in the middle of it to lift the car.

[globalste]

21 hours ago, KenONeill said:

@Garythenoo - Asymmetric tyres refers to the construction, not the tread pattern. They can also be directional so check for arrows which should point down on the front end of the tyre (as fitted) and up on the back end.

 

Otherwise it's also possible that they're all correctly fitted, but on opposite sides having recently been reversed to cure the drone caused by saw-toothing before you bought the car.

I’ve never heard of an asymmetric directional tyre.  That would imply you have to buy left and right tyres?  What spare would you carry and what would the tyre retailers stock? :-/

 

Avon ZZ5 are asymmetrical, so check inner and outer.

[Lee]

21 hours ago, KenONeill said:

@Garythenoo - Asymmetric tyres refers to the construction, not the tread pattern. They can also be directional so check for arrows which should point down on the front end of the tyre (as fitted) and up on the back end.

 

Otherwise it's also possible that they're all correctly fitted, but on opposite sides having recently been reversed to cure the drone caused by saw-toothing before you bought the car.

 

Asymmetric Tyres

[Ootohere]

As to what you do with a Spare when you have directional tyres or just you want to carry on a journey with less risk of having to use an emergency spare. 

Skoda just put in a tyre that can go on any corner.

That means reducing speed until you have 4 matching wheels tyres again, or the pair matching on the same axle.

 

If you have Directional tyres and carry a directional spare there is a 50 / 50 chance if needed it will be for the side needed.

Simply clever is carry a pair of Directional Tyres / spares when on trips away from highly populated areas, like parts of Scotland in Winter, 

public holiday weekends etc.

Edited 13 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[Kobayashi]

 

34 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

As to what you do with a Spare when you have directional tyres or just you want to carry on a journey with less risk of having to use an emergency spare. 

Skoda just put in a tyre that can go on any corner.

That means reducing speed until you have 4 matching wheels tyres again, or the pair matching on the same axle.

 

If you have Directional tyres and carry a directional spare there is a 50 / 50 chance if needed it will be for the side needed.

Simply clever is carry a pair of Directional Tyres / spares when on trips away from highly populated areas, like parts of Scotland in Winter, 

public holiday weekends etc.

Not one for 'tyre wars' but in my experience the VRS MK2 handles best on Wet Grip A rated tyres 'Medium' to 'High End' Range budget. The Rainsports are medium range price wise but definitely rated by many members on here.  I used to absolutely chew through Dunlop SP MAXX, not even wear & had them bulge easy.  

 

[Ootohere]

I wrecked loads of Dunlop Sports Maxx in the past few years, i got them cheap (free) because the were 'take offs' when Skoda approved replacing them when customers got Pirelli Zero Nero to disguise the Pulling to the Left. 

I just loved Sports Maxx in the warm weather, they do not like potholes or steel work on roads though.

[2ndskoda]

Have just re read the posters comments, and found this....

"If you looked at my rear axle.  Off side tyre points forwards and nearside rearwards".

 

This surely confirms a complete mess up, and a wrong directional fitting position wise.  The offside tyre appears to be correct, whereas the nearside is not IF the poster is referring to the direction arrows.