Is this a record

[Channel]

In Auto Express this week we have a Mercedes C300de which is a hybrid diesel estate car and is quoted as 0-62 in 5.7 seconds and a top speed of 155mph and best of all a fuel consumption of 188mpg and the battery only does 35 miles.  It must have the greatest diesel engine ever invented.  It would be interesting to know how they manage to justfy that figure.

 

Karoq SEL 4x4 DSG

[Ootohere]

By charging & running the Battery and not using diesel much and going 188 miles on 4.546 litres of the diesel.

But not also doing 0-62's under 6 seconds or maxing out the car, just under WLTP / RDE testing.

 

 

 

 

Edited 11 October, 2018 by Offski

[Panther_uk]

I know you can use regenerative braking to charge the battery and extend the 35 mile (electric only) range, but still 188mpg does seem a little optimistic.

[xman]

Maybe mpg is now miles per gill (142ml) 

 

But seriously, there was a leak a week or two ago of documents found in Mercedes design office filing cabinet under "WLTP - betrügen"

 

 

Edited 11 October, 2018 by xman

[Ootohere]

Seeing as Skoda CZ have not yet come up with their own Irregular / Implausible Fuel Consumption Figures or C02 g/km from Hybrids tests it is 

it is only going to be a matter of time.   Vorsprung Durch Technik.

 

This week German Car Manufacturers CEO's are going on about how new World Requirement on emissions reduction could kill the Herman Car Industry and the Economy because they know that kidology and cheating must come to an end.

They will just have to build small and lighter cars, and more economically, so not in Germany...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 11 October, 2018 by Offski

[lol-lol]

5 hours ago, Channel said:

In Auto Express this week we have a Mercedes C300de which is a hybrid diesel estate car and is quoted as 0-62 in 5.7 seconds and a top speed of 155mph and best of all a fuel consumption of 188mpg and the battery only does 35 miles.  It must have the greatest diesel engine ever invented.  It would be interesting to know how they manage to justfy that figure.

 

Karoq SEL 4x4 DSG

 

On a longer run likely to get 50-60 mpg if it is similar to the previous model...    https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/c300h-mpg.195241/ 

 

These cars are more of a company car tax dodge that a real big mileage eater IMO.   

[Ootohere]

From the 9th November in the UK grants for new plug-in hybrids will be scrapped.

while discounts on all electric cars will be cut from £4,500 to £3,500.   

 

Or so i just read.    So that is the Plug in Kidology getting treated as it should be IMO.

EDIT.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-45831150

 

Edited 11 October, 2018 by Offski

[Ootohere]

So much on the radio this morning on the Plug in Hybrid Grants being scrapped, yet none seem to know what they actually were in the terms of money, 

odd that experts from the AA, RAC or SMMT will blab on about the subject and not talk about the actual cash / money.

http://gov.uk/plug-in-car-van-grants

Some of the big fat heavy cars should not have been getting encouraged as purchases in the first place, and them taking up charging points / 'parked' taking up places was just pith taking.

 

BBC Article says 'vehicles' then reports on 'cars'.

I do not read of a cut in 'Plug in van grants',   which  gives 20% of the purchase price up to £8,000 of a grant.

Or Cat 1 Taxis that are 20% of up to £7,500.

Edited 12 October, 2018 by Offski

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, Offski said:

So much on the radio this morning on the Plug in Hybrid Grants being scrapped, yet none seem to know what they actually were in the terms of money, 

odd that experts from the AA, RAC or SMMT will blab on about the subject and not talk about the actual cash / money.

http://gov.uk/plug-in-car-van-grants

Some of the big fat heavy cars should not have been getting encouraged as purchases in the first place, and them taking up charging points / 'parked' taking up places was just pith taking.

 

BBC Article says 'vehicles' then reports on 'cars'.

I do not read of a cut in 'Plug in van grants',   which  gives 20% of the purchase price up to £8,000 of a grant.

Or Cat 1 Taxis that are 20% of up to £7,500.

 

Is the £500 for the wall charger still there which effectively made the Grant £5k and now it appears £4k.

 

Leaf made in Sunderland still good be a good buy as long as you don't want to do much more than 200 km and hopefully the 60 kWh cars will be along shortly.  

 

[Ootohere]

Still 35% off purchase price up to £3,500 with EV's.    

Manufacturers might just have to price cars better.  Dealers obviously can only price and sell what manufacturers build.

 

Those buying or more likely leasing the most expensive Plug in Hybrids will possibly not bother, they will still get into Low Emission Zone / Congestion Zones / Parking spaces for plugging in even if they never run just on Electric.

Unless changes are being made with that nonsense / kidology.

 

Lets see what happens at the budget with BIK.      No wonder Jaguar (JLR)  / BMW-MINI were so upset after developing Plug in Hybrids.

 

Lots for UK Dealerships and employees to gen up on before November.

BBC say 9th, Autocar / What car say the 12th.

 

Printed stuff to be altered, websites & IT and lots of stuff with less than a months notice. Government & Commerce.

Printing & publishing has always been good for those doing Government stuff and much else as Budgets often require much changes,

interest rates, tax bands, just anything and everything.

Probably why so many in Politics have investments or involvement in publishing.

Edited 12 October, 2018 by Offski

[PetrolDave]

18 hours ago, Panther_uk said:

I know you can use regenerative braking to charge the battery and extend the 35 mile (electric only) range, but still 188mpg does seem a little optimistic.

The 188mpg figure is measured using a "standard" test cycle which is only slightly longer than 35 miles so most of the test is done under battery power - but the mpg figure is calculated using the WHOLE test cycle distance ... so it's utterly meaningless in the real world (other than to compare with other cars).

[Ootohere]

http://skoda.co.uk/pages/fuel-consumption-statement.aspx

Just like the now discontinued tests,

which were 'Just for comparison.  & still now not anything to do with people in all the seats and the luggage in the boot.

 

You can fool some of the people some of the time, and the EU Governments were conspiring with car Manufacturers to fool everyone as long as they can.

 

Diesel Hybrids were to be the next big thing, Audi (VW Group) spend Billions preparing for that, building car plants and engine plants, and so did Mercedes & BMW.

As it turns out they will be as short lived thing, they will need to flog as many as they can now, and as Used vehicles in 3-5 years they are likely to be really really in demand. Not!

 

 

 

Do Manufacturers really have Hybrids with WLTP Approval & RDE testing results and are not building or selling them even though there is a damand for them?

Drivers are being denied the chance to buy hybrid cars by manufacturers _ This is Money.mhtml

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[Ootohere]

 

 

 

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