3 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

 

I take it you don’t have kids then? 

 

Maybe waste was the wrong word, but more electricity is produced at night then there is a demand for, 

 

So where does the excess go?

 

Do they turn the windmills into fans....

 

 

 

 

 

Not all renewable energy (solar / wind turbines) generate their maximum amount they can all the time, hence the wasted bit, it’s a bit pointless them all being there if you need to reduce the amount it’s producing.

 

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

 

Maybe waste was the wrong word, but more electricity is produced at night then there is a demand for,

 

17 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Not all renewable energy (solar / wind turbines) generate their maximum amount they can all the time, hence the wasted bit, it’s a bit pointless them all being there if you need to reduce the amount it’s producing.

 

So now we have solar panels producing wasted electricity at night?

 

Damn those laws of thermodynamics!

To meet regs, almost everything will have some sort of electrification. A phev does make a lot of sense if the price is reasonable.

 

Electric motors are actually a cheap way of getting great usable power in day to day driving. Look at the power curve of a 280. Then imagine you have 100hp immediately from 0rpm plus whatever the engine can give. The poke from standstill to 3-4k rpm will be awesome. Then imagine if it's a 150 or 200hp motor...

Edited 7 February, 20197 yr by KeteCantek

Skoda will eventually get to build and sell a Big EV. 

Maybe just not like one of these.  They maybe need to waste time and money with Plug in hybrids first.

 

 

TBH the VW group are behind on technology for this IMO.

The only hybrid worth having (IMO of course) is a self charging one, even then I suspect in terms of "greenness" it doesn't work out that friendly.

But the Father-in-Law has a Honda CR-V self charging, 2.0 petrol with batteries, and reports his current MPG as around 52 MPG pretty friendly on the pocket for a big 2.0 petrol SUV.

 

Me, I'll stick to pure petrol power for now thanks, and ignore the tree huggers

 

3 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

TBH the VW group are behind on technology for this IMO.

The only hybrid worth having (IMO of course) is a self charging one, even then I suspect in terms of "greenness" it doesn't work out that friendly.

But the Father-in-Law has a Honda CR-V self charging, 2.0 petrol with batteries, and reports his current MPG as around 52 MPG pretty friendly on the pocket for a big 2.0 petrol SUV.

 

Me, I'll stick to pure petrol power for now thanks, and ignore the tree huggers

 

If one has a place to charge daily, then a plug in will win over a normal hybrid like Prius/cr-v. Got to live with higher purchase price and generally compromise on some interior (normally boot) space too. 

 

In return, you will get very low running costs if you just use the electric range most of the time. Additional caveat is the inherent ICE+EV design has to be efficient and not like the Mitsubishi outlander which is crap. 

I'll be interested to see if this has a higher real world range than many of the other PHEVs.  We looked at the Volvo T8 fairly seriously but, ultimately, you're just paying a lot more to lug a load of weight around, which will be dead a lot of the time.  In essence, most on the market aren't proper useful PHEVs, like say an Ampera.  Many of those that quote a 30mi range for example, typically will only do 10-15mi max in perfect conditions.  Once the batteries are drained you're then either sacrificing economy for dragging them around, or for recharging them on the move.  We read some fairly critical reviews of how bad they can be on longer journeys.

 

Hopefully, however, it sounds like the Superb Hybrid might have a much more useful electric-only range.

Edited 1 March, 20197 yr by Swervin_Mervin

Low running cost should also include depreciation, which usually swamps all the other cost by some margin.

 

 

Edited 1 March, 20197 yr by Danny 57

For EVs to really take off prices have to reflect through life affordability.  

 

What is the purchase price + depreciation/residual+ fuel cost to give an overall cost per mile over 3 or 5 years? 

 

If the figures don't work then they just won't work.

Just saying 

All of the questions people raise about EVs and renewable energy are totally legitimate. Right now, the equation doesn’t really add up enough for a massive switch from fossil fuel to electricity generated by renewable sources and it won’t for years.

 

But it’s pretty clear that the industry has already made a decision that EVs are where we’ll end up, with VW announcing last year that it doesn’t plan to develop internal combustion engines beyond 2025.

 

While it’s not visible, there is a huge amount of research going on in the UK and elsewhere into making renewables more efficient, developing battery systems which store energy generated off-peak, reduce losses in the transmission system and enable much more dynamic on-demand based distribution. Alongside it, there’ll be an even bigger push towards still greater energy efficiency in devices, and I’m afraid less use of personal transport.

 

We’re years away from that becoming reality, but it is on the way. We’ll almost certainly need more nuclear to make the sums add up, but petrol & diesel are on the way out.

 

In the meantime, put your foot down!

1 hour ago, MorrisOx said:

In the meantime, put your foot down!

 

How environmentally irresponsible of you! I'm shocked! 

8 hours ago, Swervin_Mervin said:

I'll be interested to see if this has a higher real world range than many of the other PHEVs.  We looked at the Volvo T8 fairly seriously but, ultimately, you're just paying a lot more to lug a load of weight around, which will be dead a lot of the time.  In essence, most on the market aren't proper useful PHEVs, like say an Ampera.  Many of those that quote a 30mi range for example, typically will only do 10-15mi max in perfect conditions.  Once the batteries are drained you're then either sacrificing economy for dragging them around, or for recharging them on the move.  We read some fairly critical reviews of how bad they can be on longer journeys.

 

Hopefully, however, it sounds like the Superb Hybrid might have a much more useful electric-only range.

30miles usable electric range is the minimum and would suit majority of users. Models like the Kia optima has that in summer temperatures but will suffer a bit in winter. 

 

When the battery is depleted, you'd still get the ability to regenerate so it's not all lost on lugging weight around anyway (which is only significant in stop start traffic) 

 

The main problem as mentioned is that they are more expensive to buy and generally depreciate more which makes first help TOC. 

In Wales they pump water up to a reservoir at the top of a mountain when there is spare capacity on the grid. Then when every household (not ours, we won't have that brain rot on) puts the kettle on during Coronation street, they dump the water back through the turbines and bolster the grid with lots of lovely Welsh electrons.

 

€20k is waaay too much extra. This would have been my next car. I think they've been smoking something the green party grew on their allotment.