12 minutes ago, Scotty72 said:

Quite why anyone would defrost by running the engine is beyond me.

Fix it for you  

 

What I used to do is turn on the engine, hit max defrost button, then go about scrapping the ice using de-icer and a scraper. It's quicker and saves fuel.

 

Of course, what I do now is come out to a toasty car, unplug and drive off.

27 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Fix it for you  

 

What I used to do is turn on the engine, hit max defrost button, then go about scrapping the ice using de-icer and a scraper. It's quicker and saves fuel.

 

Well its rare I need to do this but funnily enough I do exactly same still when i do.

37 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Because it means you're burning fuel in an inefficient mode, which is actually bad for the engine.

Thanks - I hadn't realised this one  Hence I pointed it out besides the security aspect which is just plain stupid

34 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Because it means you're burning fuel in an inefficient mode, which is actually bad for the engine.

I think you've misread his post/point. 

 

The police are non existent around these parts, too. My wife was assaulted on the train and when she ran to the local nick she got an automated message  at the door to dial 101 or 999. This was at 1730.

 

Who knew crime was a 9-5 job? 

 

The above tweet was due to them doing an annual week long anti crime campaign. 

 

Makes you wonder what they do on the other 51 weeks. 

3 minutes ago, Fin69 said:

I think you've misread his post/point. 

 

The police are non existent around these parts, too. My wife was assaulted on the train and when she ran to the local nick she got an automated message  at the door to dial 101 or 999. This was at 1730.

 

Who knew crime was a 9-5 job? 

 

The above tweet was due to them doing an annual week long anti crime campaign. 

 

Makes you wonder what they do on the other 51 weeks. 

Glad someone got my point  Some stunning responses from others lol

1 hour ago, Fin69 said:

A new take on 'keyless entry' perhaps?? 

 

 

Seems the Police in Glasgow must have read my post above dated 31/01/2019.

7 minutes ago, Fin69 said:

I think you've misread his post/point. 

 

The police are non existent around these parts, too. My wife was assaulted on the train and when she ran to the local nick she got an automated message  at the door to dial 101 or 999. This was at 1730.

 

Who knew crime was a 9-5 job? 

 

The above tweet was due to them doing an annual week long anti crime campaign. 

 

Makes you wonder what they do on the other 51 weeks. 

Combined Sick Leave or Holiday probably.

Off for time in Leu for days in court on their days off, covering sporting events etc.

& hanging about the 'Organised Crime Trial' currently underway.

Chasing up the stolen cars being used in murders and attempted murder in and around South Lanarkshire, Strathclyde, Renfrewshire etc.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-46980341

 

 

Edited 12 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

4 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Seems the Police in Glasgow must have read my post above dated 31/01/2019.

When seeing a car outside the paper shop with the engine running, I've been very tempted to take the key out and pop it into the letter box opposite ( collections @ 5.30pm )

Bet I'd soon feel the long arm of the law in action !

4 minutes ago, punyXpress said:

When seeing a car outside the paper shop with the engine running, I've been very tempted to take the key out and pop it into the letter box opposite ( collections @ 5.30pm )

Bet I'd soon feel the long arm of the law in action !

Unfortunately CCTV everywhere these days.

12 hours ago, punyXpress said:

When seeing a car outside the paper shop with the engine running, I've been very tempted to take the key out and pop it into the letter box opposite ( collections @ 5.30pm )

Bet I'd soon feel the long arm of the law in action !

Phone 101, and report the driver for "Quitting".

4 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Phone 101, and report the driver for "Quitting".

But only between 0900 and 1700 because they clock off at 5pm (new Police working hours).

0900 to 1230 here

Saying that, I reported a smoke grenade near here and there was a WPC in attendance 25 minutes later.

Was well impressed by that.

On 28/01/2019 at 13:57, Scot5 said:

 

 

 

"It's shocking, but that seems to be how the modern system works. There may be an argument the police / insurance industry are more responsible for car thefts than any keyless entry system".

 

On 28/01/2019 at 13:57, Scot5 said:

I understand you/we want action taken against the thieving scumbags who prey on others to make their living, rather then get a proper job... That said, to suggest that the Police or insurance companies are actually responsible for car thefts is like blaming a fish for getting eaten by a shark!

You might as well blame the manufacturer as they actually built the vehicle with either weak or insufficient protection against such theft.

AT the end of the day, 100% of all the blame goes down to the ladies front bottom who actually perpetrated the crime, no matter why, how, where or when! 

They decided they want your vehicle, they set out to take it and they, all by themselves, received you of what you worked hard to own! 

Sure, the Police, insurance companies, etc may be at best unhelpful and at worst, useless but again, if you actually pass any of the blame of the theft on to them, you may as well blame yourselves as well as you parked it where it was easily stolen/were aware of its vulnerability and did little or nothing about it, etc. This, as you can see, is pointless and unfair. The blame is solely with the perp, regardless of how lucrative the theft or how desperate they were and in need of money, etc. THEY STILL DECIDED TO NICK IT!

 

Edited 13 February, 20197 yr by mrgf

Car theft payouts 'at seven year high'.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-48426911

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/slideshow/most-stolen-cars-uk-0

Can't see the Data and it says 'The most stolen and recovered',  so not the 'Most stolen' and not recovered.

?

How many 'Rolls Royce' are there being stolen in the UK in a year? (in 2018)

 

The 2017 list.  Most stolen.

Edited 28 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

On a separate subject of key battery life, I’m guessing that the key continually transmits from the moment the battery is installed to the moment the battery dies. same for the spare keys. Is there any way at all that key transmission can be halted other than taking the battery out? 

 

Just seems stupid if that can’t be done when the transmission is only ever needed for such relatively short time periods, when the car is in use. No one drives 24 hours a day. 

The other thing. Why didn’t they make it so the key is passive and it’s the car that does the work in recognising something in the key, but not something in the key  that perpetually transmits?

 

And the the last thing, if they do stick to permanently transmitting keys, then why not remove the risk of code interception by using rolling algorithms, as the banks do for some on line access?

 

 

1 hour ago, davembk said:

On a separate subject of key battery life, I’m guessing that the key continually transmits from the moment the battery is installed to the moment the battery dies. same for the spare keys. Is there any way at all that key transmission can be halted other than taking the battery out? 

 

Just seems stupid if that can’t be done when the transmission is only ever needed for such relatively short time periods, when the car is in use. No one drives 24 hours a day. 

The other thing. Why didn’t they make it so the key is passive and it’s the car that does the work in recognising something in the key, but not something in the key  that perpetually transmits?

 

And the the last thing, if they do stick to permanently transmitting keys, then why not remove the risk of code interception by using rolling algorithms, as the banks do for some on line access?

 

 

 

I'm not sure how the transmission in the key works but they key acts as an authentication token to prove you have a right to use the car.

To make things more secure you need to add another form of authentication. With some systems you can have a code pad or something else (fingerprint?).

That means you have Two Factor Authentication (think of username/password + authenticator app or token like the banks).

 

Most keys do use rolling algorithms but that doesn't help in many of thse cases where the theives are using relaying. All that does is transmit the current code from the key to the car.

A fix for that is to go back to using physical keys. Admittedly then they'll just break into your house then.

 

Anything that is worth a lot of money can be stolen. Because having keys with owners (or keypads / fingerprints) could involve violence against the owner to achieve the theft the likely best option to prevent theft is to use trackers etc since that makes the car undesirable to steal or means you are likely to get it back after theft. Or at least more likely to be compensated by the insurance.

 

Thanks Aspman. Ok I hadn’t realised that rolling codes are used but yes as you say, the relay nature of how the theft works would overcome even that. 

 

But going back to the fact that the keys put out a perpetual signal 24/7: 

For one it allows thieves to work in the dead of night

and for another it means the key batteries are in use unnecessarily

 

I’ve had my car for just on a year and have just thought that the spare keys have been ticking away totally unnecessarily in the spare keys box, using up their batteries. So right now I’m taking the batteries out. One little switch was all it would have taken although yes it would have had to be durable or maybe electronic for those like me who’d turn it off every night. 

 

I know you can make the car turn off kessy but that’s another story 

10 hours ago, Aspman said:

 

A fix for that is to go back to using physical keys. Admittedly then they'll just break into your house then.

 

Anything that is worth a lot of money can be stolen. Because having keys with owners (or keypads / fingerprints) could involve violence against the owner to achieve the theft the likely best option to prevent theft is to use trackers etc since that makes the car undesirable to steal or means you are likely to get it back after theft. Or at least more likely to be compensated by the insurance.

 

 

I do wonder though if it was a physical push button fob again though (like both of our cars), would it reduce the rates of theft as it does increase the "risk of apprehension" to the scumbag who now has to break and enter your home to get the keys first.. in general low hanging fruit is what they will go for, with the lowest risk of getting caught. I gaurantee if interviewed a lot of car thieves would choose to steal a 3yr old keyless polo over the neighbours 3yr old bmw if the needed key for which is somewhere inside the alarmed house..