3 hours ago, iduk said:

but I have never needed to replace a battery (quote £190) after only 2 years.

£190 for a 1.2 TSI battery, they saw you coming.

I have since found it cheaper from another seller but with the complications of having to reboot electronics  etc I am a bit concerned getting it done by a non SKODA dealer.

40 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

 

 when did it become mandatory to have stop start and on which cars?.?

 

Well, embarrassingly ,  I must admit, at the moment, I can't remember exactly where I read this, but I do believe all new Euro 6d compliant ICE cars being produced today probably have stop/start as standard, necessary to reduce CO2 emissions, for manufacturers to get toward EU fleet emission targets and avoid financial penalties

 

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/transport/vehicles/cars_en

 

Again, I'm struggling to name the source, but IIRC there are moves in the not too distant future to remove the ability to disable stop/start with a simple switch. 

 

Outside of EU wide regimes, some councils are considering/already have the power to impose penalties on vehicles left idling.

(Google - too many to list)

 

 

Doesn’t everyone turn Stop/Start off as soon as they start the car. Everybody I know does. it’s just a pain the a*** in normal driving but can easily be reactivated if stuck in traffic where the “stop" is likely to be more than a few seconds.

1 hour ago, Expatman said:

Doesn’t everyone turn Stop/Start off as soon as they start the car. Everybody I know does. it’s just a pain the a*** in normal driving but can easily be reactivated if stuck in traffic where the “stop" is likely to be more than a few seconds.

 

Think I have only switched it off once in the years I've had the car and that was in some slow moving traffic at some road works. Certainly hasn't ever caused me a problem and I have never had a proper explanation of why it seems to cause some people so much grief.

 

The reason I questioned the post was because when I bought my car in July 2018 I was more than pleased to find NO stop start and a friend who also bought a new car in the same month was disappointed because his car HAS stop start,can’t please everybody I guess

   12 hours ago,  Sad555

 

 when did it become mandatory to have stop start and on which cars?.?

 

Well, embarrassingly ,  I must admit, at the moment, I can't remember exactly where I read this, but I do believe all new Euro 6d compliant ICE cars being produced today probably have stop/start as standard, necessary to reduce CO2 emissions, for manufacturers to get toward EU fleet emission targets and avoid financial penalties

 

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/transport/vehicles/cars_en

 

Again, I'm struggling to name the source, but IIRC there are moves in the not too distant future to remove the ability to disable stop/start with a simple switch. 

 

Outside of EU wide regimes, some councils are considering/already have the power to impose penalties on vehicles left idling.

(Google - too many to list)

11 hours ago, xman said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

John Cadogan talking *******s and swearing loudly to try and make people think he knows what he's talking about. Proper research rather than blind opinions prove stop start does work in saving fuel.

I personally disable the stop/start regularly. If waiting at a stop or give way sign waiting to join fast moving traffic I find the very short pause before the power steering kicks in after the accelerator is pressed disconcerting. It does also allow approaching traffic to get a metre or two closer before the car moves. Especially, when stopping on a downhill before reversing into my drive, I see no point in the car stopping  while I select reverse then starting again.

I do the same, but this is a peculiarity of the dsg car. In previous Greenline with stop start it only stops the engine when you select neutral and take foot off clutch. As soon as you depress clutch engine runs again so there is no hesitation when pulling away. It was much easier to use and manage it on a manual car, and I rarely disabled it then with the switch.

4 hours ago, Rustynuts said:

 

John Cadogan talking *******s and swearing loudly to try and make people think he knows what he's talking about. Proper research rather than blind opinions prove stop start does work in saving fuel.

 

 A certain irony you use the exactly same language and technique as Cadogan "to make people think you know what you're talking about" 

 

As is often the case, a wiser statement would be "it varies and depends on several factors and situations", IMO neither you nor Cadogan are absolutely correct.

 

And I think the main point of this extended discussion is or should be what the effect of having this feature (and not necessarily using it) has on battery life. i.e. consequential design changes brought about by having it fitted.

 

 

Edited 15 March, 20197 yr by xman

27 minutes ago, xman said:

As is often the case, a wiser statement would be "it varies and depends on several factors and situations", IMO neither you nor Cadogan are absolutely correct.

 

Exactly, the fact of the matter is that start/stop was only ever invented for engines to excel at the emissions tests giving the car a lower apparent CO2 figure than you would ever get in the real world due to the drive cycle having lots of points where the car was stopped and the engine idling.

 

It is not, nor has ever been about saving fuel (apart from being able to lie more about the 'book' figures for mpg), its just car manufacturers playing the game and getting their figures down so they can get their cars in the lowest tax bracket that is now pretty irrelevant since the tax system changed

Edited 15 March, 20197 yr by SuperbTWM

2 hours ago, kenfowler3966 said:

I do the same, but this is a peculiarity of the dsg car. In previous Greenline with stop start it only stops the engine when you select neutral and take foot off clutch. As soon as you depress clutch engine runs again so there is no hesitation when pulling away. It was much easier to use and manage it on a manual car, and I rarely disabled it then with the switch.

Ah yes, never having driven a manual with start stop, it didn't occur to me that it would be a different experience. With  the dsg it can be disconcerting at times. My first  day in a dsg Golf fitted with s. s. it gave a very alarming clunk from somewhere as the power steering cut in while I was putting lock on to enter a side road. I've been wary of s. s. since. 

My car is a DSG and other that the stop-start system (and now the battery) is excellent.  However, all this extra engineering must be at a cost not only to our pockets but to the environment.  It remains to be seen whether the car will last with all the additional stress on parts such as starter/battery and what the final overall fuel consumption will be.  I cannot see that this will be without environment costs.  My experience and hence my turning off the stop-start is that often to safely take advantage of even quite large gaps in passing traffic because, although the engine may start fairly smartly, power is much slower to develop so the acceleration of the car is poor unless a very heavy foot is used and then when power does develop it will do so when least required.  The car reacts fine without the stop-start.  Also my wife hates the jog when the engine does start which is somehow disconcerting.

2 hours ago, xman said:

 

 A certain irony you use the exactly same language and technique as Cadogan "to make people think you know what you're talking about" 

 

As is often the case, a wiser statement would be "it varies and depends on several factors and situations", IMO neither you nor Cadogan are absolutely correct.

 

And I think the main point of this extended discussion is or should be what the effect of having this feature (and not necessarily using it) has on battery life. i.e. consequential design changes brought about by having it fitted.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, I should've put my point forwards with some researched links perhaps.

 

 

 

 

 

There's a couple of links. I couldn't find any which disproved my point but if you fancy a challenge (other than a shouting Australian perhaps) then knock yourself out.

 

Edit: And to be fair, it was you who posted the shouting Aussie vid in the first place. I'm just countering your offering.

Edited 15 March, 20197 yr by Rustynuts

Im not interested in taking up your challenge, this discussion is about batteries.

 

FYI I mostly switch off stop/start too. Too complicated to explain why in a few words.

 

 

Just now, xman said:

Im not interested in taking up your challenge, this discussion is about batteries.

 

FYI I mostly switch off stop/start too. Too complicated to explain why in a few words.

 

 

Then why post the vid of the shouting Aussie?...

 

That's all...

Just now, Rustynuts said:

Then why post the vid of the shouting Aussie?...

Just to annoy you.

Completely bull***t test by 5th gear, one litre of fuel

 

100 litres under the same test conditions might just be plausible, 1000 hours of identical running in mixed conditions would be better and more representative.

 

Tha manufacturers will know exactly how much fuel is saved during the mandatory testing with stop/start, I'm surprised they never speak of it considering all the bad feeling towards the systems.

So not anything relevant to batteries or suchlike. As long as we've got that sorted then as you were.

Just now, J.R. said:

Completely bull***t test by 5th gear, one litre of fuel

 

100 litres under the same test conditions might just be plausible, 1000 hours of identical running in mixed conditions would be better and more representative.

 

Tha manufacturers will know exactly how much fuel is saved during the mandatory testing with stop/start, I'm surprised they never speak of it considering all the bad feeling towards the systems.

 

A small sample with near identical driving conditions, you expect a reversal of the result if a larger sample is used?

Being a bit nurdish with regard to mileage and after a debate with a very green relation who was upset I turned stop/start off I ran an experiment where I drove 1,000 miles leaving S/S active all the time and compared MPG. The result - absolutely no difference, 44.2 without S/S and 44.2 with S/S. I must admit I did turn it off a few times during the experiment when entering fast roads or roundabouts on safety grounds. 

Anyway my limited test answers the question for me.

The main reason for stop start is in the standard emission test where for considerable time the car is stationary to represent queuing in traffic. With stopstart it is no emmision at all for that period of the test.

I suspect in normal use it makes very little difference, but I leave mine working whenever safe to do so.