8 minutes ago, UrbanPanzer said:

I see your point, but "if" you need it its there...........1 hours labour anywhere to put a light out is an expense, it does not take long to get it back.

i will just have to sleep it over for now. could you tell me where to go to look at the list that we can change in our car using the vcds please?

One thing about VCDS when comparing with others aimed at the DIY market, for me I can only compare it with Carista is, Ross-Tech work hard at keeping pace with VW Group's ever evolving way of doing things, maybe this example is too new to affect you, but, my older daughter bought a new or pre-reg'd SEAT Leon Cupra and I scanned it with Carista, it would claim to be completely up to date and so fit for use with that car, it revealed 8 controller logged faults, only 2 were given the correct description. I ran my old version of VCDS, ie HEX-USB+CAN on that car even although I probably would not be able to read all the newer controllers and so not get "good" descriptions of some faults, it found 9 controller logged faults and where the controllers were old enough for it read correctly it gave out what I assumed were sensible and accurate descriptions of the faults - some controllers were too new for it and it returned "not supported" for them. After returning/trading in my old VCDS, and receiving the current version, ie HEX-V2 10VIN, I checked that car again yesterday and it found 9 controller logged faults, like the older version but gave accurate probably descriptions of all 9 controller logged faults, the silly thing is some of these faults were generated during initial build and some due to low battery voltage due to it being stocked for 5 months after initial pre-reg'ng. So I printed off all these logged fault codes and cleared all logged faults, so that saved someone, probably me, needing to drive it back to that SEAT dealership to get these logged faults cleared - so some value must be taken for avoiding that messing about!

 

I was a bit disappointed that Carista had missed the fault logged in the Engine controller, and also for not yet being up to date with the other fault codes, I think that the last time that version of Leon was updated controller wise was back in 2017, so maybe 18 months on Carista is still not up to date!

The other things to consider are like.....................well as an example I retro fitted rear electric windows into my RS, now I had the front seats out of the car to give me room to get at the looms down the sills etc and after I had done all the wiring I just carried on and connected up the battery to see if my new mod worked, Im pleased to say that it did first time (pays to study wiring diagrams a lot).....however a simple mistake meant that powering up the car without the front seats in obviously put an Airbag logged fault as there was no airbags or seat belt tensioners connected, not a biggy I know but had I not had VCDS I would have hd to find a fellow DIY'er or pay at "a" garage to have the fault cleared, when I could simply do it myself.

 

Other things I used it for is to program the controllers etc when fitting cruise control and factory satnav, so that would have been 3 times I would have needed a diagnostic tool to sort that out.....so what I'm saying is... it's as useful as a decent toolkit, infact it should be part of anyones toolkit. I have always purchased diagnostic tools for all cars I have kept for any length of time, including vauxhall, audi, seat, skoda, VW , land rover.

 

Would never be without one now.

 

 

Edited 17 September, 20196 yr by UrbanPanzer

17 minutes ago, UrbanPanzer said:

seat belt tensioners connected

 

They aren’t in the seats 😝

7 minutes ago, Tech1e said:

 

They aren’t in the seats 😝

 

Now ya being picky............

 

Seat belt switch and occupation sensors, all connected to pre-tensioners and airbags 😋

Just now, UrbanPanzer said:

 

Now ya being picky............

 

Seat belt switch and occupation sensors, all connected to pre-tensioners and airbags 😋

 

Ironically the passenger airbag and pre-tensioner aren’t connected to the occupant sensor in the passenger seat. They fire with the drivers side unless deactivated. The occupant sensor is purely for the seat belt light. 

According to wiring diagram, some are.....depends if passenger seat belt switch is fitted or not, dunno why some would and others haven't.....does not say which models they are.....probably U.S (if fabia was sold there)

 

I have the same 2 plugs under both front seats, and I would suggest the yellow ones with an extra locking tab / cover are to do with airbag / tensioners etc.

Edited 17 September, 20196 yr by UrbanPanzer