I finally found some good quality fog bulbs by Philips which look the same colour as the Xenon lights and have the correct beam pattern. Corner lights work as normal too.

No fault logged in the DIS which could have been turned off anyway with ODIS-e ( thanks for help with this Langers when sorting the rear LED units).

I also used their LED bulb kit for the DRL

 

Edited 14 May, 20197 yr by 3T1704X4
Typo

Nice... how many pennies? 

 

3 hours ago, superbdreams said:

Nice... how many pennies?

 

I would think they are not cheap - quick look on eBay shows €100 to €160.

 

Keep in mind that the packaging also states "Not for use on public roads" and a few of the vendors point out that "PLEASE NOTE: These headlight bulbs do not have ECE approval for use on public roads: their usage is limited to ‘off-road’ applications." 

https://www.powerbulbs.com/product/x-tremeultinon-gen2-led-fog-lights-h8-h11-h16-twin?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-ezZ2p-d4gIVqrftCh1NzQ1mEAQYAiABEgLGYvD_BwE

 

 

And the DRL:

 

https://www.powerbulbs.com/product/philips-x-tremeultinon-led-gen2-p21w-6000k-twin

 

The have a sale on too!

 

re not for use on public roads, that is true, but using 100W H4 bulbs and any form of aftermarket xenon kit is the same. At least the beam pattern is correct and they are made to a very high quality you don’t blind people with these ones.

It is down to the expense of getting the approval more than it not complying with the rules.

Went through its mot without an advisory. I think if they looked blue or the beam pattern was a mess during the beam test they may have taken a dim view.

 

 

Edited 15 May, 20197 yr by 3T1704X4

3 hours ago, 3T1704X4 said:

https://www.powerbulbs.com/product/x-tremeultinon-gen2-led-fog-lights-h8-h11-h16-twin?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-ezZ2p-d4gIVqrftCh1NzQ1mEAQYAiABEgLGYvD_BwE

 

 

And the DRL:

 

https://www.powerbulbs.com/product/philips-x-tremeultinon-led-gen2-p21w-6000k-twin

 

The have a sale on too!

 

re not for use on public roads, that is true, but using 100W H4 bulbs and any form of aftermarket xenon kit is the same. At least the beam pattern is correct and they are made to a very high quality you don’t blind people with these ones.

It is down to the expense of getting the approval more than it not complying with the rules.

Went through its mot without an advisory. I think if they looked blue or the beam pattern was a mess during the beam test they may have taken a dim view.

 

 

The main issue with using drop-in LED or HID replacements for incandescent bulbs is that the light source is the wrong shape and size for a reflector housing designed for incandescent lamps and results in glare for other road users. Does the UK MOT actually use a beam tester to check the foglights or is it just a visual check by the tester? I'd be surprised if the beam pattern was actually correct - it could look close enough at a casual glance without actually being correct.

I had a set of H7 HID bulbs fitted to a previous car to replace halogen H7 bulbs. Shining against a wall the beam patter looked fine but what that didn't show was all the light being shot up at the edges of the beam. I could see overhead gantry signs lit up on dipped beams. I eventually abandoned them after one of the ballasts failed.

 

It's probably not possible to design an LED module that exactly replicates the lighting pattern of an incandescent bulb, or if it is possible it's prohibitively expensive to do so. Easier to sell them with a big warning that they're not legal for road use and let the buyer deal with any problems.

There's a good indepth analysis of the issues here: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

20 minutes ago, chimaera said:

Does the UK MOT actually use a beam tester to check the foglights or is it just a visual check by the tester? I'd be surprised if the beam pattern was actually correct - it could look close enough at a casual glance without actually being correct.

 

The MOT has been updated so you can fail for 'light source and lamp not compatible' which should be broad enough to catch any HID/LED conversions regardless of beam pattern: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-changes-from-may-2018-guidance-for-mot-testers/lamps-reflectors-and-electrical-equipment

 

Saying that, I don't think front fogs need to be tested on vehicles registered before 1 March 2018...

All good then 😎I will say they are so much better than the eBay crap I was using and way better than having yellow candles.

fog lights must not shine above the beam setting line, they have to stay low and spread out. Not something I am going to debate or get into an argument about, it is for people who may want to save money trying this and that who are gonna fit whatever anyway and to know they work well and look how the car should have come from the factory in the first place.

 

 

 

Edited 15 May, 20197 yr by 3T1704X4

Ok I have gone right off those bulbs now//fickle....tight..?  who can say. :d

 

Did the drl bulbs need any vcds adaption , it says they may require a  CANbus adapter, was that the case or did they just plug in?

At £30 if they are plug and play I may be tempted.

The DRL 21W type leds  did not need adaption, they do do the fishing voltage flicker when turning the ignition on, but once that’s done all good.

No warning on dash and no flickering while driving.

I also fitted the capless side light bulbs too.

The side light bulb on the OSF sometimes brings the bulb warning light on, but if you turn the sidelights on first then the ignition it never comes on. Strange how it doesn’t flag the NS one. Not tried swapping them over yet to see if it’s the one led doing it. I can easily code them out with Odis-e but doesn’t bother me as I know how to stop it doing it.