7 hours ago, tunedude said:

To be fair, the bridgestones which are fitted from the factory aren't too bad in the dry. They aren't overly loud and they've a decent enough lifespan.

 

The main issue with them is their wet performance. The minute there's a spot of rain on the road and you try to 'give it some beans' the traction control is kicking in all the time. They are a very 'summer' oriented tyre. I've found them to be a bit unpredictable in the cold as well. 

We are driving very different cars on the same tyres it seems. My potenzas are very loud in the dry, ear ringing in the wet, lousy grip in the dry, dangerous in the wet and for all of that they only lasted me 12k last time. 

 

The goodyears (which are priced lower) were like swapping lambrusco for a pint of peroni. Awful awful bridgestones, they must offer them at an amazing rate to Skoda

1 minute ago, ExSEAT said:

We are driving very different cars on the same tyres it seems. My potenzas are very loud in the dry, ear ringing in the wet, lousy grip in the dry, dangerous in the wet and for all of that they only lasted me 12k last time. 

 

The goodyears (which are priced lower) were like swapping lambrusco for a pint of peroni. Awful awful bridgestones, they must offer them at an amazing rate to Skoda

Exactly lots of wheelspin/traction issues never been good for tyre life. Even P Zeroes last longer than the Potenza's.

On 31/05/2019 at 18:55, ahenners said:

Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 5 is out now and a slightly higher performance tyre than the 3 I believe.

Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 5 are E for fuel economy A for wet grip and 71 db for noise, as db scale is logarythmic they are more than twice as loud as the ASY 3 and have worse fuel consumption with the same A rating for wet grip, they should last a bit longer and have stiffer sidewalls but as for higher performance. That depends on how you drive i think. I see the tyre tests for braking but the graph shown is not to any scale making the worst performing tyre seem worse than it actually is. Tyres will always be a personal preference thing. I have had Eagel f1's with the V tread taken off and binned in the past with 6mm tread still on them they were awful, The potenza's are very noisy, Michelins fpor me with the very low mileage I currently do will last too long and the tread blocks will perish, just like the potenza's are starting to do. I have put Asy '3s on mine recently. I find them quiet, grippy in wet and dry conditions, I don't think they will last as long as PS4's so won't perish before I wear them out and they were a good price. But, I on;ly bought them because the Sava Intensa UHP, was out of stock. I have found Sava's to be perfect for my needs, also quiet, good grip, like I said it is a personal thing.

 

 

Edited 2 June, 20197 yr by stanian

On 01/06/2019 at 06:39, SurreyJohn said:

@Old_Git If you want bit of comfort, some of the suggestions so far seem to be more for spirited driving regardless of how harsh, so might not be appropriate 

 

The other factor to consider is do you want them to work well when there is frost, Autumn leaf mulch, muddy field run off rain, sleety rain etc.  If so, all seasons will be better than some of the summer tyres suggested (admittedly you won’t get around a bone dry racetrack as fast, but you might actually want to use the car more than half the year)

 

For summer tyres look at Continental Premium Contact 6 or Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric 5

 

For all year tyres look at Continental All season contact, Vredestein Quatrac Pro,  and possibly Uniroyal All season Expert 2 

 

Can't edit my original post

But now thinking for best performance all year I would go with the brand new Vredestein Quatrac Pro, it's a UHP version of the Quatrac 5 (but I have not tried it or even seen one) so might be out voted on this suggestion.

 

Personally wouldn't like to drive on a icy road (or hit patch of black ice) on some of the summer  tyres suggested.

51 minutes ago, SurreyJohn said:

 

Can't edit my original post

But now thinking for best performance all year I would go with the brand new Vredestein Quatrac Pro, it's a UHP version of the Quatrac 5 (but I have not tried it or even seen one) so might be out voted on this suggestion.

 

Personally wouldn't like to drive on a icy road (or hit patch of black ice) on some of the summer  tyres suggested.

If it's unsafe to drive then walk or stay at home less chance of personal injury. Health always more important than a damaged car or persons.

1 hour ago, SurreyJohn said:

 

Can't edit my original post

But now thinking for best performance all year I would go with the brand new Vredestein Quatrac Pro, it's a UHP version of the Quatrac 5 (but I have not tried it or even seen one) so might be out voted on this suggestion.

 

Personally wouldn't like to drive on a icy road (or hit patch of black ice) on some of the summer  tyres suggested. 

Personally I wouldn't like to drive on a icy road (or hit patch of black ice) on Any of the tyres suggested. Did it once, ended up on the opposite side of the Duel carriageway Boot first in the hedge.

On 01/06/2019 at 14:35, TDIum said:

What's SDP? Not another offshoot political party I hope. 

I've never been a fan of the Bridgestone Potenza and it's funny that you never get anyone recommending them on these here tyre threads. Not fussed with ultimate performance myself and for a better ride I went to Conti premium contact and have nothing bad to say about them. 

 Social Domestic and Pleasure...

 

Thanks for all the replies so far, loads of food for thought.

17 minutes ago, Old_Git said:

 Social Domestic and Pleasure...

 

Thanks for all the replies so far, loads of food for thought.

If you want to stick with a Summer tyre then take a look at these and now a great price at Camskill: 

 

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s134p109665/Goodyear_Tyres_Car_Goodyear_EfficientGrip_Performance_Goodyear_Efficient_Grip_Performance_-_225_40_R18_92W_XL_FP_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_B_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_1_Noise%3A_69dB

 

I found that they grip as well as Eagle F1's but wear considerably better I also found that they did improve economy by 3-5% too.  They were fine coping with 230bhp through the front wheels.  I was getting ~18K miles out of the fronts and I replace at 2.5-3mm, never at the limit.  

 

However...if you do want to fit all-season tyres then I can highly recommend the Vredestein Quatrac 5's.  I've been using them for the last 2 years and they've been faultless; from deep snow and -10º to 30º and sticky roads.  Having lived in Northants for 12 years I'd say the Quatrac 5's would serve you well for the types of Winters/Summer temps you get.   Also as @SurreyJohn points out, the Quatrac pro is available for your size so they would defo be worth a look, especially if they really are an improvement on the Quatrac 5.  I would have got these myself but they don't do them for my car 😕

I've had the Asymmetric 3 and the PS4 on my VRS, and out of the 2, I will be sticking with the PS4. The Asymmetric 3 were good, just the PS4 seem better.

I've got GY AS3s on my car and absolutely love them.

I got mine from tyres on the drive, they were cheaper than black circles and Asda tyres etc. at the time and they came to me which was handy.

 

My fronts have about 4mm left, so will be in the market myself soonish for some new treads, probably more of the same however I'm tempted by Michelin cross climates.

The above comparison

 

The goodyears (which are priced lower) were like swapping lambrusco for a pint of peroni. 

 

leaves me puzzled.

Afraid I don't "get" that. And I do drink, maybe not Peroni or Lambrusco though.

8 minutes ago, gregoir said:

The above comparison

 

The goodyears (which are priced lower) were like swapping lambrusco for a pint of peroni. 

 

leaves me puzzled.

Afraid I don't "get" that. And I do drink, maybe not Peroni or Lambrusco though.

Pint of Carlsberg for me rather than the over priced Peroni.

Ok, different car(s) but similar size/performance, I've got through various tyres through the last decade...

Until recently I'd swear by the Eagle F1s (I personally preferred the old directional GSD3s but I've had A1, A2 and A3s).

 

However, I've recently switched and found that both the continental premium contact 6 and the Michellin PS4 are really good.

The contis seem to out perform the eagle F1s in the wet, with maybe slightly more comfort.  

Not had enough experience of the PS4s yet.

 

As far as I can tell they're all similar in the dry, but it takes quite a bit to push a decent tyre too hard in the dry on the road IMO.

 

One thing I will say though it's that the last set of F1s were replaced with plenty of tread left on my wife's car (Mazda 6 Sport) due to cracking in the walls @ 2 years old.  They always look under inflated despite being fine and that's on 91Y XL tyres...  Hence the change to something else.

 

My first port of call would now be between the Michellin and Continental, see what the prices are like in the size, with the Goodyear's as a fall back.

 

Also, bear in mind if you buy two and they're not ideal, just chuck them on the back and replace the fronts again.

The back tyres do hardly anything in a fwd car so I just stick tyres I don't like but still have tread on there and try again with the front.  It's why I always replace 2 at a time...  Do all 4 and if you're disappointed with the tyre you're stuck with it for ages at great cost to your wallet.

Edited 3 June, 20197 yr by Alex-W

21 minutes ago, Alex-W said:

 

The back tyres do hardly anything in a fwd car so I just stick tyres I don't like but still have tread on there and try again with the front. 

 

Apart from that small thing of keeping your ass safe and the backend under control. 

Loads of recommendations about having the tyres with the best tread on the rears to combat oversteer and the ilk. 

12 minutes ago, courty said:

 

Apart from that small thing of keeping your ass safe and the backend under control. 

Loads of recommendations about having the tyres with the best tread on the rears to combat oversteer and the ilk. 

Agreed, tyres with the best grip should always be on the rear of a fWD car. It stops the car switching ends in very bad conditions. There is a vid on youtiube showing what happens if you only put winter tyres on the front. Very eye opening.

Edited 3 June, 20197 yr by stanian
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I'm not saying put terrible tyres on the back but the back is definitely under less load than the front, after all it's not steering, and transmitting torque.

Hence the backs last 2 or 3 times as long.

 

I genuinely have never heard of anyone putting their best tyres on the back of a fwd car.  Certainly not something I'd do.  Under steer is far more of a threat.

 

Only time I've ever had the back end give up a bit was when tyre pressures were out due to an unknown show puncture.

14 hours ago, stanian said:

Agreed, tyres with the best grip should always be on the rear of a fWD car. It stops the car switching ends in very bad conditions. There is a vid on youtiube showing what happens if you only put winter tyres on the front. Very eye opening.

For those that think its sad to have tyres with the best grip on rear, good luck, it is a well known fact. There are many video's out there so don't just take my word for it.

Each to their own.

I understand that the rear has less control and if it does break grip you arguably have a bigger problem than if the front loses grip.

However, in normal road driving you're not going to reach those limits of grip on premium tyres unless you are really pushing hard.

What you do do day to day though is low speed acceleration around corners, roundabouts, out of junctions etc in often wet conditions.  In these cases the front tyres are put through an immense amount of work, trying to steer and accelerate, while the weight is shifted to the back of the car.  

I personally find this far more of a problem on a FWD car than the risk of the rear breaking free. 

However, on track this is likely a different scenario as there's more even loading, less torque at the wheels due to higher speeds and gears, and more of an issue with unpredictable oversteer.

 

Every 6-7 months I like to rotate my tyres whether for summer/winter so that they usually have the same/similar amount of thread. Personally I don't like a lot more grip at the front or back so if the car does breakaway it should do it gradually and not suddenly.

I have always gone by the rule of less worn tyres go on the front.  That was until I saw the tyre reviews video with the winter tyres on the front and summer on the rear.  It was a death trap!!

 

Since then I have come to the conclusion that if your tyres are so different in grip from one axle to the other then you need to replace at least 2 tyres.  The aim should be to always have similar performance across all 4 tyres.  As shy states, rotation, rotation, rotation.

This one could run and run, and we've discussed the issue before. 

Move on? 

3 minutes ago, TDIum said:

Move on? 

 

On 04/06/2019 at 13:30, TDIum said:

This one could run and run, and we've discussed the issue before. 

Move on? 

Same with a lot of threads on here, Groundhog Day