Good morning all

 

Think of getting my first Skoda. I'm looking at getting a Kodiaq Sportline model but need help on choosing an engine. It's either the 150bhp or 190bhp. Does anyone know the true mpg of these? What's peoples views on the auto box?

 

Many thanks

 

 

Petrol or diesel?

Looking at Diesel because we do a mixture of motorway and town driving

I have a 190 DSG diesel Sportline. My average MPG according to the onboard computer is 35.5. My driving is mixed possibly siding with more in town stuff than motorway. So far it’s been a great car. The auto box is good especially around town, only slight grumble is that in normal mode it can change up a bit soon and in sport can tend to hang onto a gear a tad to long, but that’s only my opinion and isn’t really a big problem day to day. I didn’t get on with eco mode at all, responsiveness was affected and I didn’t see a great improvement in MPG. 

That's not too bad then. I just wanted to check as it's going to be my wifes car and she has a lead foot! 

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Looking at Diesel because we do a mixture of motorway and town driving

 

A petrol version will be suitable for that as well. I have a 180 bhp petrol and it's well up to most jobs. Unless you're towing a caravan or heavy trailer, or you're doing a relatively high mileage, it's unlikely you need a diesel, although some people do like the driving characteristics of a diesel compared to petrol.

Diesel will be give you more mpg than petrol, especially if towing, but bear in mind that diesel cars cost more to buy and the fuel is more expensive, so it will take quite a long time to recoup that extra outlay if overall savings are what you're trying to achieve.

My current car is the first auto I've owned in over 50 years of car ownership, and I wouldn't want to return to a manual now. I think autos are more suited to todays stop start driving conditions and it also suits my personal circumstances better. I have driven torque converter autos in the past, but not enough to compare my DSG with them.

The main drawback to petrol is the higher fuel consumption compared to diesel, but I'm only now driving between 5000 - 8000 miles a year, so it makes little difference to me. Reports here indicate that the smaller 150bhp petrol is more economical than the 180bhp I have.

We have a Kodiaq Sportline with the new 190 TSI and its amazing, both in performance and fuel economy. 

 

Just saying. 

Thanks for the responses. I would prefer a petrol personally just for the cheaper fuel costs but it was the mpg that was worrying me. What figures are you guys getting from the petrols?

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What figures are you guys getting from the petrols?

 My overall MPG showing on the cars computer is 27mpg which is not far away from the actual (checking it manually) 26.1 mpg over the last 6 tank fill ups I've done.

The most I've seen on the computer is 31mpg, but that was in France just after I'd bought the car when it hadn't fully loosened up. It will be possible to achieve more than this, but I'm not what could be termed a slow driver and I do find the 180 tsi does encourage spirited driving if you're that way inclined.

I bought the 180 tsi with towing a caravan in mind, which was something I didn't actually do as I sold the caravan last week. Had it not been for the towing and if I was ordering a new car, I would probably have got the 1.4 tsi (1.5tsi now) with 2WD.

My 180 Tsi usually achieves low 30’s but on Sunday managed to achieve this..

 

Remember that the new 190 TSI is a different engine than the old 2.0 180 TSI, I have better fuel economy now in our not yet broken-in Kodiaq than our Octavia 1.8 180 TSI after 30000km.

 

With 200 km total on the odometer I managed 35-38 mpg (0.65-0.69 in non-retard) when I drove a longer highway trip. 

 

I expect to see around 45-48 mpg in a few thousand kilometers. 

Edited 4 June, 20197 yr by BGB
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Remember that the new 190 TSI is a different engine than the old 2.0 180 TSI,

Not so different, just updated and reworked to iron out any previous problems and to achieve better (supposedly) emissions figures.

I've had a 1.8 tsi Octavia estate, and the consumption was much better that my current 2.0tsi Kodiaq even when I was carrying a 16' Canadian canoe on the roof.

Driven in exactly the same way and in the same conditions, there's no way a 2.0 petrol Kodiaq will better the mpg of 1.8 petrol Octavia as long as they're both either manual or auto.

 

Back to the OPs original question; if you prefer petrol and want reasonable mpg figures, get the 1.5 tsi  (assuming you'll be buying new) once the current kangarooing issues have been sorted.

If buying used, get the 1.4 tsi.

4 minutes ago, olderman1 said:

there's no way a 2.0 petrol Kodiaq will better the mpg of 1.8 petrol Octavia as long as they're both either manual or auto.

 

Both DSG. 

 

I’m telling you facts from experience. Our Kodiaq with the WLTP adjusted EA888 TSI is much more fuel efficient brand new than our previous Octavia with a ‘smaller’ engine after three years. 

I would hope that the latest incarnation  of the 1.8/2.0 Tsi is more efficient than previous versions. It would be a sad indictment of the VAG group if that wasn't the case.

However, physics cannot be ignored and the Kodiaq is a bigger, bluffer and heavier car than the Octavia, so the evolution of the bigger Tsi engine would have to have come on in leaps and bounds to be able to iron out the differences between the two cars.

The comments in my previous post were also borne out of experience, but regardless of that, the mpg figures offered by Skoda themselves for the 1.8, 180bhp tsi Octavia estate, state that it will achieve 12mpg more than the latest 2.0, 190bhp Kodiaq when both are fitted with DSG.

Your statement about physics is naturally correct.

 

However, I believe the major differences are the new 7-speed gearbox, the fact that when the Kodiaq is coasting in normal mode it disengages the drivetrain and of course, the amazing job the software engineers did.

 

There are people here who actually did over 50 mpg with the new 190 TSI (Octavia). 

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There are people here who actually did over 50 mpg with the new 190 TSI (Octavia). 

That's very good, but is that an overall average or just what they've managed to achieve when driving sedately ?

It occurs to me that mpg figures aren't really accurate in Norway, as you're driving on snow and ice for half the year, so you're actually sliding rather driving. 🤣

1900 miles in on a 2.0tsi 190, long term is 26mpg but that is mainly around town driving, if your doing mixed motoring I'd say mid 30's  will easily be achieved. 

Diesel wasn't an option for me as I don't do the driving suited for one & the 1.5tsi I felt too small a unit for the Kodiaq. 

9 hours ago, tonybailey87 said:

Thanks for the responses. I would prefer a petrol personally just for the cheaper fuel costs but it was the mpg that was worrying me. What figures are you guys getting from the petrols?

 

MPG is only half the story, what is your annual mileage?

About 10k a year

I remember reading quite some years ago that a person would need to drive over 23,000 miles per annum to break even on a diesel car when compared to a comparable petrol.

Much more recently than that, I read that the figure to break even was 13,000 mpa.

I don't know quite how accurate that figure is, and without knowing which petrol and diesel you might be considering, a comparison would be impossible to calculate.

To calculate correctly, you would need to know how much you could purchase each model for, because as you'll know, there are deals to be had.

A fly in the ointment at present is the current uncertainty regarding the longer term future of diesel powered cars. In the past diesel cars would hold their price better than petrol cars in the used market, but that can't be relied upon at the moment, so that could affect your ownership cost calculation.

Personally, at 10K a year I'd be looking at a petrol model, but of course our personal circumstances, likes and dislikes and our wants and needs vary greatly. So at the end of the day, only you and your wife can make the final decision.

 

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/petrol-diesel-fuel-calculator/   Have a look at this link and put in your details for a cost comparison.

Edited 4 June, 20197 yr by olderman1

Wouldn’t consider the 150, I have a 190 and am upgrading to an RS cause the 190 is a bit gutless at motorway speeds. Then again, I’m the only one here that thinks that the 190 TDI is a bit of a slowpoke, albeit only at mwy speeds...

My 190 diesel has managed 38 mpg average over 22,000 miles.

 

All measured brim to brim.

 

Like others above I have achieved spot figures higher or lower. Short run spot figures are pretty irrelevant.

 

It likes warm weather for better consumption and takes  long run for the dash to climb to 40+  mpg, but a gentle tootling trip can manage high 40s.

 

I like the grunt and never use ECO.

Had my 2.0 TSi (180) for a year. Typically get 30-33 mpg (actual measured). Regular fuel, mixed roads. All in "Normal" mode. I record mpg on every fill-up. If  the journeys for a particular tank-full are all long motorway stints it can be as high as 36 mpg, if its all short local journeys it can be as low as 28mpg. FYI the trip computer tends to show figures about 1 to 1.5 mpg better than measured.

Edited 5 June, 20197 yr by gojoholo

My Kodiaq 190TDi sportline  will do 45Mpg with 2 adults and a bootful on a long motorway run at 70mph. Usually about 42MPg if the cruising speed goes up to 80. 

About 35Mpg round town.

If I do a run at 60mph which is very seldom it wil touch 50mpg.

37 minutes ago, Chris Brook said:

My Kodiaq 190TDi sportline  will do 45Mpg with 2 adults and a bootful on a long motorway run at 70mph. Usually about 42MPg if the cruising speed goes up to 80. 

About 35Mpg round town.

If I do a run at 60mph which is very seldom it wil touch 50mpg.

This pretty much mirrors my experience over 19000m. Mine is on 19" wheeIs, is yours on 19" or 20".