Iam thinking of changing my 2013 vrs tdi estate which has only 48k on the clock. I have looked a diesels bit I believe the newer ones have adblue🤢 and I just think it's an extra cost and more to go wrong. So I would like to hear from 245 owners about any reliability issues and also what mpg should i acheive. Also should I go for manual or dsg( I have heard some horror stories with dsg). I can pick up a pre registered 245 estate for 22k which i think is a decent price. 

I think the manual is more economical than the DSG despite the official bull from Skoda. Having covered nearly 24,000 miles in just under 2 years I have averaged 40mpg even though at 7,000 miles I went stage 1 map and at 14,700 miles stage 2 with hardware and new map. Reliability has been 100% and no issues or rattles. Been to the dealer once for the 18,500 mile oil service and used no oil since January (it used about 1 litre upto the 1st service). Having previously run a TDi Vrs DSG hatch which averaged about 45mpg I would recommend going for the 245 best car I have ever owned.

Thanks for the info. Keep the comments  coming.

1 hour ago, donny1972 said:

Thanks for the info. Keep the comments  coming.

I'm 54 and the wife 50, we both drive the car and renewal in May was £301 and just paid the 3rd year road tax of £145 (total over 3 years £445). Sold the extremes with the P Zero tyres because they were terrible and now have wider wheels and Michelin PS4S tyres in 235/35R19 size which are excellent for traction and wet grip. On a dealer service plan which included the first 2 services and first MOT for around £300. The VAQ diff is very good and you can really attack roundabouts knowing the power can be put down cleanly almost as well as a 4WD car.Brakes being 340/310mm vented are also excellent and my pads are lasting very well (70% motorway miles). Seats are very comfy and look amazing and if you can find one with a reversing camera and electric sunroof and spare wheel these are all nice options to have. The ambient lighting (10 colour choices) on the 4 doors which is also shown on the 8" central touchscreen and maxidot is another nice feature wish we had on the wife's Karoq SEL.

Edited 26 July, 20196 yr by shyVRS245
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Never had or driven either the TDI or 245, but have a similar comparison in the 180bhp diesel Mazda 6 and the 230 Octavia we have.  I'd imagine the Mazda is similar performance and economy to the TDI vRS and the 230 is not too far off the 245.

 

You'll never get the mpg of the diesel, pure and simple, however it depends how much of priority that is for you.

I'd imagine it'll be 10-15mpg difference in the real world which is slightly compensated by fuel price.

Diesels generally are a bit more forgiving of a heavy right foot, while a petrol will drop mpg like a stone.

 

The power difference is decent, obviously flat out through the gears you're going to have something more eager and quicker. 

Even on the motorway in gear the petrol vRS pulls better.  

 

Ultimately I would say more power and petrol is always going to be better.

However it depends on how much you want to spend and how many miles you do.  There's no way I'd have even considered the deisel, but I do probably 6k a year.  If I was doing 10k I'd still say it's worth it.

If I was doing 20k I'd sacrifice the power and save the fuel I expect.   But, that's all down to personal preference. 

 

 

 

Skoda claim 380nm for the diesel and 370nm for the 245. When my car was standard and had it's first run on a rolling road it produced a very healthy 400nm and 248.6bhp. Weighing only 1,370kg must be quite a chunk lighter than the diesel even more so if fitted with DSG gearbox.

I had a couple of discussions this week with people about torque figures and how misleading they can be.

 

The figures above imply that the diesel is sightly torqier than the petrol, however it won't be.

It's torque at the wheels that accelerates you, the torque at the engine is arguably irrelevant.  To get torque at the wheels you have to go through the gearbox...

The gearing on a deisel will be much longer than that of the petrol so you will have significantly less torque where it matters.   

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Alex-W said:

I had a couple of discussions this week with people about torque figures and how misleading they can be.

 

The figures above imply that the diesel is sightly torqier than the petrol, however it won't be.

It's torque at the wheels that accelerates you, the torque at the engine is arguably irrelevant.  To get torque at the wheels you have to go through the gearbox...

The gearing on a deisel will be much longer than that of the petrol so you will have significantly less torque where it matters.   

 

 

 

Also even a V8 or W12 Bentley needs a lot of torque to overcome the average 2.4 tonne kerbweight. Torque per tonne is much more relevant to see how a car is likely to accelerate rather than just concentrate on the headline figure.

14 hours ago, donny1972 said:

Iam thinking of changing my 2013 vrs tdi estate which has only 48k on the clock. I have looked a diesels bit I believe the newer ones have adblue🤢 and I just think it's an extra cost and more to go wrong. So I would like to hear from 245 owners about any reliability issues and also what mpg should i acheive. Also should I go for manual or dsg( I have heard some horror stories with dsg). I can pick up a pre registered 245 estate for 22k which i think is a decent price. 

How many miles a year do you do ?

What's your percentage of motorway use ?

How much do you enjoy a faster car ?

 

Answer these & you'll get your answer

 

Me & Shy have similar cars driven on very different journeys, I get about 24-1/2mpg 21k mile average.

Edited 27 July, 20196 yr by themanwithnoaim

I do a 35 mile round trip to work each day over welsh mountain A & B roads. I bought the 245 Estate because I wanted more than ample power for overtakes and I carry work kit in the week and the dog at the weekend. I wasn't bothered about fuel economy, I'm in my 50's, my wife works full time & the "kids" are grown up and financially independent, so I just put fuel in it and don't actually monitor consumption at all.....

 

But at the start of each journey a message comes up on the dashboard telling me the average consumption ( and speed, time etc) of the last journey.  This is consistently around the 43mpg mark. I don't know (or really care) how accurate that is but if it is reasonably accurate then I consider it outstanding for a car of this size and power etc driven reasonably enthusiastically (but sometimes within speed limits  😉).

 

Finally I payed a lot more than £22k for a new 245 Estate in my colour choice from a local(ish) dealer so if you can get a zero miles(ish) one for 22 and you like the colour/spec etc I would snap it up........😃

Edited 27 July, 20196 yr by Phil245

11 hours ago, Alex-W said:

I had a couple of discussions this week with people about torque figures and how misleading they can be.

 

The figures above imply that the diesel is sightly torqier than the petrol, however it won't be.

It's torque at the wheels that accelerates you, the torque at the engine is arguably irrelevant.  To get torque at the wheels you have to go through the gearbox...

The gearing on a deisel will be much longer than that of the petrol so you will have significantly less torque where it matters.   

 

 

 

Far too few people realise the effect of the gearbox on torque. Similar applies to torque being delivered to the wheels when assessing optimum shift points for maximum acceleration.

I know, there's just a whole load of misunderstandings about it...  Having owned a Honda for years I've had lots of people say how it's got little torque, but when it's such low gearing and an extended high rev range, you just hold onto the gears longer and get the same torque at the wheels.

 

 

Plus, for real world use use, assuming sensible gearing, area under the power curve is more useful than peak figures.  

 

 

Ideally you need a graph of torque/weight on the y axis and speed on the X axis.

Or, as you say, torque at the wheels for each gear against speed, change gear where the lines cross.

 

It's one thing I find more difficult on a turbo charged car, the best point to change gear is somewhere earlier than on a nasp.  My Accord I just hold to the redline, the torque is pretty flat, so it's easy... hold the low gear as long as possible.