hello

 

were presently having gearbox difficulties with our fabia 2 1.6 tiptronic which will necessitate a change of car.

 

looking round there isn't really anything which stands out.

 

so, im thinking of purchasing a second hand yeti. (other than the gearbox the fabia has been very reliable (112,000 miles, 12 years old))

 

petrol engine.

im unsure about choosing a dsg example due to the large amount of problems they seem to give.

perhaps it would be safer to buy a manual?

also, is the 1.2 underpowered? 

 

any advice on which models to look for would be really appreciated.

 

many thanks

Edited 21 August, 20196 yr by markdyball
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I still have my 2nd Yeti both 1.2 Elegance manual. 

Best thing have a test drive to see what you think of them, the 1.2 is pretty lively and quieter than diesel. 

The diesel has a lot more torque, even in the lower power versions, and loads more torque and power in the higher power versions.

The dsg on the diesel uses a wet clutch and is considered pretty reliable, as long as it is serviced correcly. The higher power ones also come with 4wd which could be a bonus or detriment as it increases fuel consumption and there are more parts to service religiously to maintain reliability.

 

If you do go for a diesel only consider a post 2015 or so Euro 6 model, which can be distinguished by the adblu tank filler in the boot floor.

 

For petrol avoid the early ones with the timing chain, unless it has been upgraded to the later stronger one which won't break or jump cogs without warning wrecking the engine at around 50k. One with a dsg will probably last about the same as your fabia if you are lucky.

 

Personally I would avoid one with a sunroof, as a nuber have had leaks and cracks develop in the frame.

many thanks @kenfowler3966ken fowler and @RickT

 

ken, do you know which years have the upgraded timing chain please?

I adored my 2.0L manual 2x drive Yeti (I had two) I could not see the point of a dsg unless you were a farmer or similar.

@gumdrop

Is that a farmer that lost a leg in a combine harvester, or what do you mean?

4 minutes ago, gumdrop said:

I adored my 2.0L manual 2x drive Yeti (I had two) I could not see the point of a dsg unless you were a farmer or similar.

....... or have dodgy knees!

Don't be put off a DSG by scaremongers!  Yes,  a FEW of them go wrong,  and when they do they are expensive to repair,  but there are literally millions of them out there giving excellent trouble-free service.  I honestly don't believe they are any less reliable than any other complex components of modern cars.  Obviously, those unfortunate few who have trouble tell us about it,  loudly,  but we never hear from the millions (like me) who are perfectly content.

@Zarniwoop Was your DQ200 DSG part of the Service Campaign on them from 2013-2015?  '34H5'

Before that there was the World Wide Recall on ones from 2009-2012, but just a Service Campaign in Europe & from 2014 Skoda started it in the UK. '34F7'.

Then there are the ones with issues from 2015-2018, Software Update again.

 

Only thousands wrong out of millions maybe, but anyone buying a car with one might want to know if a Service Campaign involved that one, and has it been done.

Edited 21 August, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

2 hours ago, gumdrop said:

I adored my 2.0L manual 2x drive Yeti (I had two) I could not see the point of a dsg unless you were a farmer or similar.

 

I'm trying to work out the connection between being a farmer and having a DSG box.
To me the DSG box is most useful in an urban setting, not a rural one. 

5 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

@Zarniwoop Was your DQ200 DSG part of the Service Campaign on them from 2013-2015?  '34H5'

Before that there was the World Wide Recall on ones from 2009-2012, but just a Service Campaign in Europe & from 2014 Skoda started it in the UK. '34F7'.

Then there are the ones with issues from 2015-2018, Software Update again.

 

Only thousands wrong out of millions maybe, but anyone buying a car with one might want to know if a Service Campaign involved that one, and has it been done.

Yes but weren’t these all the dry clutch dsg’s?

Just seems to miss the point to me to have a dry clutch dsg clutch pack which has a maximum life expectancy against a wet clutch dsg pack which hardly wears at all as shear in the oil fluid transmits the drive, not rubbing friction plate material together 

@kenfowler3966

That is about the dry clutch, but then if @Zarniwoop has a 1.2 YETI DSG that is what they have, which is why i asked.

It can be said overblown online and in forums, but forewarned is forearmed.  

The Days of Dry Clutch and issues are not over, they continue in 1.0TSI's without reported issues and in 1.5 TSI's with some having problems like loss of drive.

 

The 1.2 TSI with Timing chain / tension issues you n

mentioned is up t 2011, late 2011/ 1012 was the upgrade,  but then if a earlier car has had an upgrade or replacement engine then not to be dismissed, just the same if a DSG has been repaired or replaced and the invoices are there.

 

With a Wet clutch DQ250 DSG you want the service record showing the Oil changes have been carried out.

 

 

Edited 22 August, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

14 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

@Zarniwoop Was your DQ200 DSG part of the Service Campaign on them from 2013-2015?  '34H5'

 

 

No,  mine was built in 2015, after that.

For the sake of openness and full disclosure,  I did have a minor problem with my clutch early on.....  it was a slight noise issue that did not affect the operation of the transmission at all,  the result of a manufacturing defect.  It was fixed under warranty by replacement of the clutch packs,  since when everything has functioned perfectly.  While that was disappointing and inconvenient,  I put it down to "one of those things",  and it has not caused me to  condemn the DSG transmission in any way... in fact I think it is a fantastic piece of engineering and would happily buy another,  even with the dry clutches that I have.  I repeat,  nothing that I have experienced or read leads me to believe that the DSG is inherently unreliable or deserving of the disproportionate "rubbishing" it seems to get from a disaffected few.

@Zarniwoop

Thanks, 

 a 2015 registered car had the DQ200 DSG built in the period 2013-2015 that the Service Campaign '34H5' covered, but not all were flagged as requiring the software update, seeing as you needed the clutch pack replaced maybe it should have been.

It was late 2016 before the Service Campaign started ** As per my post in a thread you started**

that was after enough failures and enough complaints and then VW accepting an issue, various issues actually.  (Just as with the 2015-2018 DSG now in Mk3 Fabia and others, there are uprated clutches and a software update for some.)

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/398157-possible-dsggearbox-fault-developing

Yours appears to have been one of the early issues, yet that was dismissed sadly as there were issues with the parts and software.

 

but the point being you had the issue done under warranty and if the Manufacturers Warranty is now expired that is that, if it happens past 3 years you are on your own.

Down to you to replace the clutch packs even though there have been 'Known Issues' with clutch packs, and known by Skoda / VW.

 

They are pretty reliable, and issues are few, and Skoda produce 2,200 DQ200 DSG's a Day.

So maybe since there is no Service Guidelines or Schedule there should be a 10 year / 100,000 mile warranty on them as some Countries / World Regions got when there was a World Wide Recall.

* if on average out of 2,200 a day there are only 22 bad ones then a low percentage but over a year of production or years of production it is weird that every time a owner has an issue the 'technical department need days, weeks months to think about it'.*

You never know how something will be at 5 years old until 5 years have past, and your 2015 DQ200 DSG had issues early and is still only 4 years old.

 

Extended Warranties with a DQ200 DSG is Simply Clever, sadly Skoda still reject some Warranty Claims with a DQ200 DSG saying 'Known Issues' yet it is them that know and a VW Backed Warranty, and they know as well. Yet they sell the Warranty.

 

PS

the OP @markdyball has a Tiptronic gearbox that have been really reliable in various models since they were introduced, they came with no Service Guidelines or Schedules and over the years these have been OK, but when there is an issue as with the OP's the Dealerships say, New Gearbox Required.

Some say that not even knowing what the Tiptronic is and that it is not a DSG.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/470561-some-advice-please

 

Edited 22 August, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

I've owned my 1.2 TSi manual since 2012 (it's a 59 plate).  It had a new engine just before I bought it as a result of the aforementioned cam chain lengthening issues.  Hasn't put a foot wrong since.  I'm up to 86k and I have the car serviced every 10k.

 

I've considered changing recently but genuinely can't think of anything else that suits my needs as well.  Also it's only worth about £3-4k so I might as well run it into the ground!  It's practical enough for my small family (2 young kids), short enough for easy parking (I have on-street parking both at home and at work), economical enough for my commute (25 miles on A roads), and very comfortable on a long drive.....it's even quite a fun drive, and once you figure out how to stay in the power band, the little 1.2 TSi can be a hoot, definitely not under powered at all.

 

Put simply, I love this thing.  Just wish I could think of what to buy next.  My current thinking is a Volvo XC40 once I can get one for less than £20k on the 2nd hand market, but we're a year or so off that yet.

Edited 22 August, 20196 yr by BobbyG79

14 hours ago, Llanigraham said:

 

I'm trying to work out the connection between being a farmer and having a DSG box.
 

 

Previous poster you are referring to seems to think DSG=4x4