3 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

Funnily you joined a car enthusists forum.  As to being a cheeky monkey, chill man. 

Lighten up maybe, you know for speed just add lightness.

Hey bud I'm the coolest of cool cucumbers. 😎 Like you said, I'm here for the banter, so chill indeed.

4 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Easy to criticise Skoda when you don't actually own one, which is why I don't go on Ford or Vauxhall forums. If someone wants to know how to make their Octavia go faster then I've got the T shirt covered.

So let me get this straight do you not actually own a Skoda Roottootemoot? 

Edited 27 September, 20196 yr by Gmac983

Yes i own a Skoda, a nice Mk2 Fabia Estate Bodyshell in storage, and not long ago i sold my last hatchback.

Now we dont need to own a Skoda at any particular time do we if we have owned one, and i have a SEAT until November.

Edited 27 September, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

What confuses you @Gmac983 ?

5 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

Now we dont need to own a Skoda at any particular time do we if we have owned one

Beats me? 

15 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

@RobGy  

Welcome to the forum.  It is nice to talk,

so maybe you could say what age of Fabia and what engine just to help others understand a bit better, or at least me.

Thanks for the welcome!

 

It was a 2010 Fabia, iirc it was the 1.6 tdi and in the elegance trim.  

 

It was very comfortable, I really liked that about it.  The armrest was illogically located over the handbrake though and needed to be out of the way when driving in the city.

 

It was frugal on the motorway but only if I drove like an absolute saint, 55mph all the way.  On a long run I would get high 50s to low 60s mpg driving like that.  My record was something like 72mpg on a mostly level, quiet motorway run of about 15 miles, but that was pure motorway (trip computer reset once up to speed), so not really representative.  Round town I got 37 which was pretty poor, compared to the 50 odd I get out of my much bigger and heavier Octy.

 

Handling was a pig on the Fabia, much tighter on the Octy without compromising on comfort over bumpy roads.  In the end I was involved in a crash where an unfortunate motorcyclist coming the other way was clipped by a car and binned it straight into the front of my car.  If I had been in a car like the Octavia with the tighter handling and emergency brake assist things *might* have turned out different, but I will be the first to say that the psychological impact of hitting a squidgy human being did put me off the car and I can't be sure how much of that is irrational or not.

 

Putting that to one side, the Octy is bigger, more comfortable, more economical, better built (at least to my eye), nicer to look at, better handling.  My wife also prefers it, as do my kids.

I would say that it would be a personal justification between an octy and a fabia. If you are in the market for a Skoda and want/need the dimensions and efficiency of a super mini go for the fabia. Same goes for the octy, more space and advanced tech (over the fabia) plus a more powerful range of engines (although nothing compared to your road monster Roottootemoot 😉), if thats what you want/need go for an octy instead. They are both nice enough vehicles in their own rights with many other individual pros/cons to consider specific to your own needs. 

@Gmac983

Sorry but you are just being an arse.

No idea what road monster you are revering to as i dont have one.

My Fabia's were quick, but i dont have them now.

I drove a Mk2 Fabia as a daily drive, or a Jimny for years. Local driving and fun with the Fabias.

Easy in and easy out, good about town and on country roads.

Horses for courses, and for towing a bit of torque is nice, so a diesel it is now when that is required.

Edited 28 September, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

1 hour ago, Gmac983 said:

I would say that it would be a personal justification between an octy and a fabia.

If you want something between an Octy and a Fabia, how about a Scala?

 

1 hour ago, Roottootemoot said:

@Gmac983

Sorry but you are just being an arse.

No idea what road monster you are revering to as i dont have one.

My Fabia's were quick, but i dont have them now.

I drove a Mk2 Fabia as a daily drive, or a Jimny for years. Local driving and fun with the Fabias.

Easy in and easy out, good about town and on country roads.

Horses for courses, and for towing a bit of torque is nice, so a diesel it is now when that is required.

13 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

as to who can p1ss the highest my 330ps 8 speed AWD top trumps your 330+ FWD manual.

 

It takes a lot of practice to be an a*se, it doesn't come naturally to me. I could equally turn your comments right back round at you Sir. 

Just curious then as to why you were implying that the above mentioned vehicle you own is faster than everyone elses mentioned in this thread so far?

I implyed no such thing, no idea where you get the faster than anyone elses mentioned in this thread.

You have mentioned a car you got a lift in and your bosses, and as to any others in this thread i have no idea what they have,

i just replied to the member with the remapped Octavia that seems to imply nobody would know what a fast car feels like until you have experienced the power his has.

It has been a year of the power and economy, so there is a bit of a reason for my post.

 

Edited 28 September, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

13 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

Nice, but you do not have one do you. Neither the Superlight or the Bentley?

So on that bases why did you shout me down for my comments on couple of fast cars (by anyone's measure) that I had experienced but not owned. My overall point was everyone has a yard stick for how fast they perceive any given vehicle to be. Someone may find a 1.2 fabia plenty quick enough for their needs. I found/find my old octavia vrs and new kodiaq sportline to be plenty swift enough for me but I certainly wouldn't proclaim either of them to be fast in the grand scheme of things. 

Sorry bud if your are going to be a princess, but shouting down was not what i posted. 

14 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

I implyed no such thing, no idea where you get the faster than anyone elses mentioned in this thread.

You have mentioned a car you got a lift in and your bosses, and as to any others in this thread i have no idea what they have,

i just replied to the member with the remapped Octavia that seems to imply nobody would know what a fast car feels like until you have experienced the power his has.

It has been a year of the power and economy, so there is a bit of a reason for my post.

 

 

I am relatively new to briskoda and don't know either yourself or shyvrs from Adam nor care. My discussion is based on what I've seen here. 

Basically you just wish to have the last word on any subject. 

Edited 28 September, 20196 yr by Gmac983

Read what is written then and dont make up your own story or say someone implyed.  If i have something to say i say it.

 

I dont care about the last word, but do not try to twist what is there to read,

Edited 28 September, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Everyone can draw their own conclusions then. I've certainly drawn mine. 

I was going to pass comment as I own both Octavia vrs and fabia colour edition but this war of words between rootbeer and caramac is way more entertaining, please carry on 🤣 

 

Edited 28 September, 20196 yr by JamiePvrs

 

I'm still confused by the thread and some of the comments in it.

 

 

Looking out of my window on the drive sits two of our cars. The first a RWD Executive saloon with 8 speed auto, 20 way adjustable electric memory seats that are heated , chilled and massaged. It has a 1200W, 17 speaker Bowers and Wilkins surround sound system with Dolby Digital and DTS and all sorts of other toys. It will sit quietly at very naughty motorway speeds at less than 1800rpm.

 

Then at the side sits our Citigo with 70PS, no turbo, no toys. 

 

I think the Citigo is great. It's fun to throw about in town, easy to park, you can floor it through the gears and still be legal. For such a small car you can still get four adults in it and it's dirt cheap motoring. Does everything it was designed to do and does it extremely well.

 

The comments seem to be aimed at the Fabia not being a great car because it doesn't have as much space as the Octavia and the 1.0 engine doesn't do 150mph.

 

The 1.0 74PS Fabia is designed to be an entry level £12k Supermini.  It's not comparable to a £28k 230/245PS Octavia. Review it for what it is and against it's competition.

In the last couple of weeks I have had the opportunity to drive some awesome cars, albeit only at urban speed limits, and I have been surprised at what appealed to me and what didn't.

I won't go into details but a lowly loan Fabia I had earlier in the year appealed to me more than many of the exotica I've driven, which is patently ridiculous and probably says more about me than the cars. Not sure why people get upset that another's opinion might be different to theirs on this type of topic. The opinions expressed are personal as are the reasons you like or dislike a car.

 

I drove a V8 auto Mustang and was particularly unimpressed but a manual version just blew my mind. I suspect the latter had upgraded engine, exhaust and suspension as it was just so different a beast. It did not matter I was not driving it fast, I think it was love despite the fact it is totally impractical, stupidly over powered, thirsty as all..... and contrary to everything I believe. I would not buy one but at least I had an insight into its attraction for others.

Edited 28 September, 20196 yr by Gerrycan

1 hour ago, logiclee said:

 

I'm still confused by the thread and some of the comments in it.

 

 

Looking out of my window on the drive sits two of our cars. The first a RWD Executive saloon with 8 speed auto, 20 way adjustable electric memory seats that are heated , chilled and massaged. It has a 1200W, 17 speaker Bowers and Wilkins surround sound system with Dolby Digital and DTS and all sorts of other toys. It will sit quietly at very naughty motorway speeds at less than 1800rpm.

 

Then at the side sits our Citigo with 70PS, no turbo, no toys. 

 

I think the Citigo is great. It's fun to throw about in town, easy to park, you can floor it through the gears and still be legal. For such a small car you can still get four adults in it and it's dirt cheap motoring. Does everything it was designed to do and does it extremely well.

 

The comments seem to be aimed at the Fabia not being a great car because it doesn't have as much space as the Octavia and the 1.0 engine doesn't do 150mph.

 

The 1.0 74PS Fabia is designed to be an entry level £12k Supermini.  It's not comparable to a £28k 230/245PS Octavia. Review it for what it is and against it's competition.

 

Yes indeed let's get back to the subject...

Although the OP was Alex-W getting a fabia when his octy vRS was in for service and the (in his view), rather large step down he found it to be. Although to be fair the majority of garages courtesy cars are usual the smallest in their respective ranges in order to keep their costs to a minimum (ie you are never likely to get an octy vrs as a courtesy when your own vrs is in for service). As customers we only usually have to pay the insurance fee in order to get a "free" car while our own is in having paid for servicing work carried out. 

Does anyone remember the old top gear episode when Clarkson got a diesel focus estate as a courtesy car when his Ford Gt broke down. 

Edited 28 September, 20196 yr by Gmac983

Just to set the record straight, my OP was based on a somewhat unfair and to a certain extent contravertial assessment of the car. 

Given that my son was crying while I tried to get his car seat, him and his stroller into the thing, I didn't get the best start in it and got annoyed with it quite rapidly.

 

As many have stated, it's a different class of car and comparing it against the vrs isn't fair.

 

I don't even mind basic motoring, my Honda has very little in terms of features.  Although, strangely, the Fabia isn't short of features.

 

However, I do think that having a hatch, that only comes as a 5dr, (suggesting that it's designed to be practical and able to carry up to at least 4), available with such low power is a bit silly.  There's no need for it, it seems the more powerful (and we're only talking other 1.0 or 1.2l) versions are all more economical too. 

 

I'm probably just not used to having such a small boot either.  It just seems a bit silly as well that a single stroller won't fit in.  That's got to limit the target market to people that don't have small kids, which seems bizarre as surely it would otherwise appeal for urban transport.

As a result I've not driven it since I got it home, as I can't really take anyone but me in it, which isn't helpful.  There's not enough room to get an infant carrier behind me either.  

I'll give it a second change at some point, when I'm not so annoyed and try and assess it on it's own merits.

 

 

There were a few years up to the end of about 2013 where the Fabia's outsold all the other Skoda models in the UK.

But there was the choice of diesels and petrols and manual and DSG's, hatch and estate, the Mk2 vRS never sold well but it outsold Polo, Ibiza & A1 Twinchargers.

But that was under 3,000 mk2 vRS sold in the UK where the Diesel Manual MK1 was over 13,000.

 

Skoda really never tried that hard with mk3's and the 1.4TDI really was a coc-k up.

 

Mk2's were cheaper and value and then there were ones that were bought by Motability and went out to fleet / hire companies.

http://ukcarline.co.uk/news/skoda-sees-record-uk-sales

 

Edited 28 September, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

20 hours ago, Alex-W said:

Just to set the record straight, my OP was based on a somewhat unfair and to a certain extent contravertial assessment of the car. 

Given that my son was crying while I tried to get his car seat, him and his stroller into the thing, I didn't get the best start in it and got annoyed with it quite rapidly.

 

As many have stated, it's a different class of car and comparing it against the vrs isn't fair.

 

I don't even mind basic motoring, my Honda has very little in terms of features.  Although, strangely, the Fabia isn't short of features.

 

However, I do think that having a hatch, that only comes as a 5dr, (suggesting that it's designed to be practical and able to carry up to at least 4), available with such low power is a bit silly.  There's no need for it, it seems the more powerful (and we're only talking other 1.0 or 1.2l) versions are all more economical too. 

 

I'm probably just not used to having such a small boot either.  It just seems a bit silly as well that a single stroller won't fit in.  That's got to limit the target market to people that don't have small kids, which seems bizarre as surely it would otherwise appeal for urban transport.

As a result I've not driven it since I got it home, as I can't really take anyone but me in it, which isn't helpful.  There's not enough room to get an infant carrier behind me either.  

I'll give it a second change at some point, when I'm not so annoyed and try and assess it on it's own merits.

 

 

I'd say you were being a little dramatic darling. We have a fabia and a Octavia vrs and the fabia is a fine motor. Completely different to the Octavia but still a great little car. My wife does the school run in it every day. 10 year old daughter in the front and 2 car seats in the back for the boys. Ines 6 and the other is 2. And the stroller fits in the boot! 

Obviously your expectations are high as your used to a VRS! 

 

As for power I completely agree! I too have been given a fabia courtesy car but the lowest powered one! Hence why we bought the 1.2 tsi!

Ok, it's growing on me.

 

Brought it to work this morning and had to take the long way due to traffic on the motorway, so gave it more of a chance than the other day when I basically just got annoyed on the motorway.

Up to 40mph it's not actually so bad.  Above that and it's underpowered still, but yeah, I'd agree that at low speeds it's actually ok or livable.

Because you have to work it harder to just to keep with traffic mind, I don't think the economy is as great as you would hope either.

 

It's actually a bit of a laugh though as it's small.  Just changing lanes it's noticably more nimble than the octavia due to the smaller chassis I guess.

The suspension needs to be firmer though, on a bumpy road there's almost a feeling of being seasick as it sways about a bit.

The brakes are great!  At lower speeds at least it just stops!  Gave me a bit of a shock tbh.  

The sound system seems to be slightly better than the octavia I think.  This may be because it's smaller and it has to work less to fill the space.

Parking is silly easy.  Sensors are not required at all.  It's a doddle.

 

The armrest thing is hugely irritating though.  I use my handbrake all the time, as you should.  With the armrest down, you can't really reach it without bending your arm backwards.  With it up it gets in the way of your elbow, so it's still uncomfortable.  This is a bizarre design as I would have though many people would find this uncomfortable, although many people just seem to not use it and sit on the brakes.

 

Considering this one is presently advertised for 11k from a main dealer and is nearly new, I have to admit that's quite a bargain for a car with all the gadgets, that will fulfill many people's more limited requirements.   

For me, a better designed boot (without the plastic at the sides), a better designed arm rest (or even no armrest) and about 25bhp more would make all the difference though.  

 

 

Armrest used to be a cost option on all but the SEL. 

 

Not sure if that's still the case.