2014 1.6tdi Octavia DSG Gearbox

[Gammyleg]

Hi,

 

First post on here!

 

I went to test drive a 2014 1.6Tdi Octavia with DSG gearbox at the weekend. Not being used to automatic transmission I was concerned that the change points when the gearbox was upshifting seemed to be a bit high, roughly between 2500 - 2750rpm under light acceleration. Is this normal or does it point to a problem?

 

Additionally, after spending a week trawling through this forum getting as much info as possible, I was concerned that although the car comes with full history there was no record of gearbox oil changes. The current owner has since been back in touch to say that he has checked with Skoda and his car has a sealed-for-life 7 speed box that does not require any gear oil changes. Is this also correct.

 

Thanks

[Ootohere]

Welcome.

 

There is no service schedule for oil changes / no manufacturers recomendations.

 

There is a Service Campaign that might be of interest so needs checked if required.

2013-2015 DQ200's a Software Update. '34H5'.

Check with a Skoda Main Dealer or Skoda Customer Services if required. or done or outstanding.

 

Now this in Australia.

But maybe that is what '34H5' was for. It was started in the UK / EU in 2017.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/473186-another-dsg-recall

 

Edited 20 October, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[benterrier]

There are  lots  of posts on the forum  concerning problems with these  particular DSG units. The costs of repairs are particularly high. Before you buy do your homework, checks and indeed ask for info on the site. 

[Ju1ian1001]

I would not worry about the change points as the DSG is designed to let the engine run at it's most efficient and that is about 2500-3000rpm on the TDI, Tourque comes in quit low at about 15-1700rpm and starts to die off at about 4000rpm (max rpm is at 5000rpm on a diesel). Sport mode will allow the box to hold engines revs higher and longer, thus giving  more power.

 

As others have said do your homework and see if service campaign 34h5 has been carried out (i must confess i forgot to do this when i bought my 2014 1.4 DSG, both have the 1.4tsi and 1.6tdi have the same DQ200 box, but mine goes in to the dealer on the 25th november for some warranty work so will have this checked out then)

 

 

[logiclee]

Yes the change points are normal.

 

No the gearbox does not require oil changes.

 

And yes, the DQ200 7 speed dry clutch has a poor reputation for reliability and should not be owned without a bomb proof warranty.

[Gammyleg]

Thanks for all your replies.

 

Ref. 

1 hour ago, Ju1ian1001 said:

As others have said do your homework and see if service campaign 34h5 has been carried out

 

The car had full Skoda history up to 2017, would the service upgrade have been carried out prior to that date or did it come about afterwards?

 

Assuming it hasn't been done, is it feasible to get it carried out now and what effect would the delay have had?

 

1 hour ago, logiclee said:

should not be owned without a bomb proof warranty.

 

It's a private sale so no warranty on offer.

 

[benterrier]

How many miles has it done. Can the present owner give you a service history breakdown through the Skoda dealers maybe. Personally I wouldn't touch it if it's a high miler and can't find any history on it. DQ200 your taking a chance. Is a manual box out the question!

[Gammyleg]

4 minutes ago, benterrier said:

How many miles has it done. Can the present owner give you a service history breakdown through the Skoda dealers maybe. Personally I wouldn't touch it if it's a high miler and can't find any history on it. DQ200 your taking a chance. Is a manual box out the question!

 

It's done 124k miles, apparently the last 50k have been spent on the motorway. The Skoda history up to 2017 is online so could possibly be printed off?? The history from 2017 onward is from a specialist Independent. 

A manual is an option but fancied a change to an auto.

[moley]

2 hours ago, Gammyleg said:

Hi,

 

First post on here!

 

I went to test drive a 2014 1.6Tdi Octavia with DSG gearbox at the weekend. Not being used to automatic transmission I was concerned that the change points when the gearbox was upshifting seemed to be a bit high, roughly between 2500 - 2750rpm under light acceleration. Is this normal or does it point to a problem?

 

Additionally, after spending a week trawling through this forum getting as much info as possible, I was concerned that although the car comes with full history there was no record of gearbox oil changes. The current owner has since been back in touch to say that he has checked with Skoda and his car has a sealed-for-life 7 speed box that does not require any gear oil changes. Is this also correct.

 

Thanks

Welcome.

I currently have a 1.6 tdi 7 speed DSG Octavia. Can't say that I have taken a lot of notice of the rpm before shifting,but it sounds about right. Sometimes when going uphill it stays in a lower gear longer than I would prefer, so I manually upshift. The clutches on the 7 speed are dry so there is no oil changes for the clutches or the box itself. Check for a sticker on the boot floor for the software upgrade:

   

My Mk2 Octavia DSG box covered 85,000 miles before I traded it in and my current Mk3 is coming up to 150,000 miles. 

[Gammyleg]

9 minutes ago, moley said:

Welcome.

I currently have a 1.6 tdi 7 speed DSG Octavia. Can't say that I have taken a lot of notice of the rpm before shifting,but it sounds about right. Sometimes when going uphill it stays in a lower gear longer than I would prefer, so I manually upshift. The clutches on the 7 speed are dry so there is no oil changes for the clutches or the box itself. Check for a sticker on the boot floor for the software upgrade:

   

My Mk2 Octavia DSG box covered 85,000 miles before I traded it in and my current Mk3 is coming up to 150,000 miles. 

 

 

Thanks for the photo. I'll inquire with the current owner to see if he can confirm its presence. He's about 90 miles away so not exactly convenient for me to do.

 

Wondering if there are any high mile 7sp DSGs are around that have never had any problems??

[Gammyleg]

...should I buy it I'm planning to take this one well over 200k. 

[moley]

3 minutes ago, Gammyleg said:

Wondering if there are any high mile 7sp DSGs are around that have never had any problems??

I have not had any problems in 148,000 miles so far. I normally trade in at between 70 - 80,000 miles, but my current Octavia came up to the mileage about the time when diesels were seen as a bad thing, so I held off trading in.

[Ju1ian1001]

A skoda dealer can print you off the service history, my old MK2 L & K was a 2010 model and was on the electronic system rather the an old school service book, i recall it cost me about £10 for them to print of it's service history, again when my current Octy goes in for the warranty work i will get the history printed off so i have a record of it.

 

We all tend to forget these DSG boxes are sold all over the world, yes it has a reputation for being unreliable but i have driven an octavia fitted with with a DQ200 that was original and had done just over 200,000 miles so they can do high miles, not all are bad or go wrong, but a bullet proof warranty is a good idea (as it is when any car) 

[Ootohere]

The Recall Actions should show here.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

http://gov.uk/check-vehicle-recall

'34F7'  on the DSG's from 2009-2012/13 should if outstanding.

 

'34h5' never showed as a 'service campaign' and not a Recall or even a Recall Action.   Lost is Translation as usual.

It should not be called a Recall Action IMO if no Registered Keepers are being informed unless a car is in for some reason like a service and the driver might or might not find out 

that something is outstanding.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

 

http://car-recalls.eu/make/SKODA

 

 

 

Edited 21 October, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[benterrier]

These links make some very interesting reading/information. Great input Rootootemoot.

[gkr47]

Regarding warranty I dont think many if any cover the clutches in a dsg apart from the warranties on new cars.

[benterrier]

14 minutes ago, gkr47 said:

Regarding warranty I dont think many if any cover the clutches in a dsg apart from the warranties on new cars.

Yes, this is correct in my experience, the clutches are not covered when inquiring about buying a VAG approved car. The car Gammyleg is looking at has substantial mileage. How much does a clutch replacement cost on a DQ200 box. Budget this in before deciding to buy.

[logiclee]

The idea of 200k miles on a DQ200 causes me to break out in a cold sweat.

 

I've owned five DQ200 models and four have required warranty work and all below 40k miles.

The repairs on my last 1.6TDi Octavia topped £5500.

 

Trouble is the 1.6TDi manual is a 5 speed and is pretty poor.

 

My advice, get a 2.0TDi with the DQ250 DSG. Check it's had the correct servicing and they are pretty good for reliability, 

[gkr47]

42 minutes ago, benterrier said:

Yes, this is correct in my experience, the clutches are not covered when inquiring about buying a VAG approved car. The car Gammyleg is looking at has substantial mileage. How much does a clutch replacement cost on a DQ200 box. Budget this in before deciding to buy.

 

To correct my previous post I think the clutches may be covered but not the friction surfaces which are probably the likely part to fail and expensive to repair. 

[Ootohere]

They are clutch packs.

 

And like with the 2015-2018 DQ200's that have a TPI on Clutch Packs and Software Updates then they might be covered as there is Fundamental Failings, 

in Components, material or workman/womanship.

 

Then before that also failings that got a 160,000 km warranty / 10 years in China for DQ200's when there was a 'World Wide Recall' which excluded Europe, 

as VW tells Europe they are lucky to have them, even if liars and cheats.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/439395-the-story-of-the-famous-dq200-clutch-slip/page-13

 

 

[logiclee]

1 hour ago, gkr47 said:

 

To correct my previous post I think the clutches may be covered but not the friction surfaces which are probably the likely part to fail and expensive to repair. 

 

For Skoda warranty the first 12 months are fully covered.

 

After 12 months for clutch slip and judder the clutch packs will be stripped down and measured. If the clutch is worn beyond their warranty limit it's wear and tear and not covered and you have to pay for the strip. If it still has over the warranty limit of material on the clutch then Skoda will cover it for slip and judder.

I was in this situation last year for clutch slip in 2nd, 4th, 6th. Eventually sorted after two clutch packs, flywheel, mechatronics and two gear levers. :( 

[benterrier]

1 hour ago, gkr47 said:

 

 

3 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

For Skoda warranty the first 12 months are fully covered.

 

After 12 months for clutch slip and judder the clutch packs will be stripped down and measured. If the clutch is worn beyond their warranty limit it's wear and tear and not covered and you have to pay for the strip. If it still has over the warranty limit of material on the clutch then Skoda will cover it for slip and judder.

I was in this situation last year for clutch slip in 2nd, 4th, 6th. Eventually sorted after two clutch packs, flywheel, mechatronics and two gear levers. 😞

I hope the guy measuring the clutch packs got a Vernier reading on the plus side!

[logiclee]

2 minutes ago, benterrier said:

 

I hope the guy measuring the clutch packs got a Vernier reading on the plus side!

 

Yes, roughly £5500 the dealer said if I had been paying.

[benterrier]

Jesus. Worth giving the guy few cans!

[Ootohere]

I will link later a thread from the Yeti Section, 

where someone bought a Skoda Approved Used car, an Ex Demonstrator that supposedly a Family Member of the staff drove.

That would be to get the HMRC Tax Break from a 3 month / 3,000 mile Demonstrator, and then 'A big Dog ate the clutch', and Skoda UK did not want to know.

Approved Used Car purchaser to blame.  Not Fundamental Design, Manufacturing / Material failure, or the Family Relative of the Employees driving....

 

Manual not a DSG.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/456623-clutch-gone-after-4900-miles

 

 

 

Edited 21 October, 2019 by Roottootemoot