I'd like to buy a MK3 auto, heart says 220 petrol, but then a look at economy and I'm thinking 190 diesel. Also more to choose from.

 

Main reason towards petrol is as I love a quiet car.

 

How quiet are the diesels?

 

Thanks,

 

 

Mark

 

Ps.... Alsolooked at 3 series GT but it felt really cramped compared to the superb.

 

 

Annual mileage and normal driving profile would be useful information for the final decision.

Also whether brand new or second hand purchase?

 

What fuel does your current vehicle use?

I am always amazed at the logic of some people, happy to spend £30k on the car, then dithering over fuel consumption, whilst not asking if one costs more to maintain than the other.

 

Apart from anything else, in London diesel is seen as noisy and un-cool, so follow your heart if you want a 220tsi

 

Don’t even bother to consider the diesel unless you do over 1000 miles per month, the fuel savings will never offset the extra £1-2k cost

 

Edited 4 November, 20196 yr by SurreyJohn
Autocorrect changed a word in error

3 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

I am always amazed at the logic of some people, happy to spend £30k on the car, then dithering over fuel consumption, whilst not asking if one costs more to maintain than the other.

 

I'll be getting a used one and keeping it ten years, so the consumption is very valid on looking at the total cost. In fact it seems that, from conversations with local dealer, on the used market petrol models are selling quicker and a bit above guide price.

8 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

Annual mileage and normal driving profile would be useful information for the final decision.

Also whether brand new or second hand purchase?

 

What fuel does your current vehicle use?

Currently an 09 diesel Octy, do about 15k. Not in a rush to change, but will need to do so before ulez expands in 2021.

Edited 4 November, 20196 yr by mark674500

Be grateful for any responses to the question in the original post, thank you.

Diesels are quite quiet inside the car and not so to those standing next to them outside.

 

Best way to find out is go to a dealers and listen to one.

Or just stand on a pavement.

Edited 4 November, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

For what is worth the 2.0tsi in the kodiaq (190) does low to mid 30's mpg on my mixed short rural journeys and high 30's possibly 40 mpg on a long steady run (virtually no city driving at all). Would imagine the 220tsi superb would do better than my Kodiaq. Lovely and smooth with dsg and reasonably responsive for overtaking and giggles. If your preference is for petrol anyway I would look no further, wouldn't expect the 190tdi to be miles ahead on fuel in like for like driving conditions/usage. If you remain in doubt go and have a drive in the vehicles you are interested in, it's the only way. 

Edited 4 November, 20196 yr by Gmac983

I've gone from a flat 6 petrol which at idle was quieter than the air con pump, to a 150tdi and its lovely and quiet inside. If you give it some revs then theres a bit of a growl/grumble but for everyday driving it's a very quiet place to be. Also 48mpg average so far on this tank. 

35 minutes ago, mark674500 said:

I'll be getting a used one and keeping it ten years, so the consumption is very valid on looking at the total cost. In fact it seems that, from conversations with local dealer, on the used market petrol models are selling quicker and a bit above guide price.

 

This may be factually correct, but you should reverse the viewpoint, not from what is already sold (because it is desirable), but instead what is so unloved that they are hanging around because dealer hasn't yet found anyone to take them.   Remember he is trying to move on his unloved leftovers.     

 

In a way it is like a dealer only offering white or grey, because every other colour has already gone.   

If you want the car to keep for 10 years do an internet search and locate what you want, not just accept what somebody else is stuck with.

You wouldn't buy an £1000 armchair or a bed that not happy with an keep it 10 years, so why spend twenty times this if not perfectly what you want

 

Edited 4 November, 20196 yr by SurreyJohn

As Surreyjohn said. Guide price is what the book THOUGHT cars would be worth. If they are selling above that then the guide price will rise. Selling fast at above guide price implies guide price is wrong.

In 10 years time you might only be able to drive diesels on an odd numbered tuesday. Euro 6 is clean but I think the public damage has been done re PM's and NOx. 

See the latest fuel consumption thread for numbers on petrol and diesels. 

If going petrol the newer cars have particulate filters as well, adding to the complexity 

I love my petrol one. Very quiet, looking for another 8 years of ownership but only do 8000 a year so fuel costs are low.

22 hours ago, mark674500 said:

I'd like to buy a MK3 auto, heart says 220 petrol, but then a look at economy and I'm thinking 190 diesel. Also more to choose from.

Why ask questions you already know the answer to. You can travel more with the diesel but it will be boring and you won't enjoy it. What's the point 😂

 

Also I wonder why there are so many diesel options

See if you can get a test drives.

Both are pretty good options and suitable for you annual mileage, it really is just a question of meeting  your personal preferences and needs.

 

 

Much like yourself OP quiet and refinement were too if my list. Went with1.4tsi ACT for both me and the wife. So much more refined than the diesel at idle and under acceleration. At traffic lights you sometimes don't know ifthe engine is on or off. Probably not much in it and cruising speed. To me petrol elevates the whole ownership experience. Came from a 2014 5 series diesel and haven't missed it for a minute.

 

I do 15,000km a year, getting around 42mpg. More than happy with that.

Get the 220 if you can bear the minor increase in fuel cost. It will also be quieter than any diesel inside or out. 

 

You'll also be insured against any future ban or charge against diesels. In the meantime you get to enjoy a more fun to drive car. 

The Superb isn't a fun car to drive in the same sense as an MX5, it doesn't suite being thrown around.

 

Diesel is very quiet inside, don't care about noise outside as I am inside it.

 

Not done an MPG calculation for a while but did over 800 miles on the last tank and my commute includes the M5/M6 junction at rush hour.

 

In 10 years you will only be able to use an electric car so why worry if it is Petrol or diesel.

I have a L&K 2016 2.0 Diesel DSG. I don't have any issues with diesel Benefit from better economy of course. I have had Audi and BMW over the years. 
 

I have a heavy right foot and have and have had a remap, so my consumption is around 42mpg. I had a new Octavia as a loan car from the dealer and got around 50mpg. If I had a petrol car the consumption would be a lot lower. 
As a ex motor tech I found the technical training guide for the Diesel engine Online which is for the USA as there laws unsure such information is in the public domain.

I was very impressed with the amount of advanced technology that went into the engine development. I estimate VAG engines 5 years ahead of the likes of Kia which my wife has also a 2016 model.

Ignore Dirty Diesel brigade DPF and Adblue take care of that.

I have read reports that someof the latest diesels have fewer emissions than the equivalent direct injected petrol engines.

I can believe it but government now has a fixed mindset on the topic which probably cannot be changed.

There are a lot of engines in operation that are as dirty as especially rail and shipping.

4 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

I have read reports that someof the latest diesels have fewer emissions than the equivalent direct injected petrol engines.

 

Are the equivalent petrol engines you speak of GPF equipped or not though? 

4 hours ago, Gmac983 said:

 

Are the equivalent petrol engines you speak of GPF equipped or not though? 

I'm not sure how the respective particulate emissions for diesels or petrol engines compare post DPF/GPF.

But I have read reports that CO2 and NOx on a Euro 6d equipped diesel have lower figures than a 6d equipped direct injected petrol (with GPF but without NOx reducing equipment).

I see today that Bristol are planning to ban all PRIVATE diesel cars from certain areas at certain times from 2021 and all other diesel vehicles will have to pay a premium (probably quite hefty too) The future is here folks !

 

5 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

I'm not sure how the respective particulate emissions for diesels or petrol engines compare post DPF/GPF.

But I have read reports that CO2 and NOx on a Euro 6d equipped diesel have lower figures than a 6d equipped direct injected petrol (with GPF but without NOx reducing equipment).

Would you mind sharing the link? That sounds really interesting.

1 hour ago, Sagalout said:

I see today that Bristol are planning to ban all PRIVATE diesel cars from certain areas at certain times from 2021 and all other diesel vehicles will have to pay a premium (probably quite hefty too) The future is here folks !

 

Mixed reaction to that:

BBC News - Bristol diesel ban: Concerns raised over 'stupid' plan
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-50316121

 

Original story:

BBC News - Bristol clean air diesel ban plan approved
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-50292596

You cannot only look at the MPG and say one is cheaper than the other🙄

 

You must compare all purchase and running cost including ins and maintenance.

 

You must also factor in the price difference between diesel and petrol as well as the consumption rate.

 

And then assess the cost per mile maybe try a site such as this

1 minute ago, Bud said:

You cannot only look at the MPG and say one is cheaper than the other🙄

 

You must compare all purchase and running cost including ins and maintenance.

 

You must also factor in the price difference between diesel and petrol as well as the consumption rate.

 

And then assess the cost per mile maybe try a site such as this

Absolutely.

 

Thanks for the link too.