Hi all.

I just picked up the new steed, and the tyres equipped are Bridgestone Turanza T005.

Unfortunately they don't look to have much in the way of rim protection, so was considering replacing them with something that has.

I generally avoid kerbs like the plague, but occasionally things happen ! My last car managed to pick up a small scuff on one front wheel that I cant even recall being near kerb to get !

As the new one rides on 245/40/19's (94 and W rated) I want to keep them mint, I hate seeing kerb rash on wheels.

 

The trouble is it is hard to tell from pics on tyre sites which tyres have decent protection, then add to the mix I want quiet, comfortable and grippy.

Also was wondering if I change the stock tyres, maybe going for all seasons as I don't want to be faffing around with summer/winter tyres ?

The other thing is I know some insurers need to be informed if you use winters, I don't know if they do for all seasons ?

I have narrowed it down to 2 summer or 2 all season based on being at or below my current tyres dB rating and having similar wet grip and efficiency numbers  (TBH all seasons aren't that common in my size). From what I could see these tyres also look to have decent rim protection.

 

Summers: {1} Good Year F1 Assy 3 {2} Pirelli P zero Nero GT 

All Season {1} Bridgestone Weather Control {2} Vredstein Quatrac Pro

So any thoughts/opinions or suggestions for other tyres (in the above size), please fire away  

Edited 20 November, 20196 yr by Mr Grump

If the wheels stay the same then there’s no reason to contact the insurer’s regarding a different type of tyre.

 

Good choice with the ’other’’ car! 

Edited 20 November, 20196 yr by john999boy

No need for there to be a common All Season size, loads of choice of not very good tyres,

the tyres available in your size are good ones & will do what they say on the tin.

 

EDIT.

My usual bad pics sorry.

Rim Protection, just so so if you actually hit some ironwork or granite kerb.

 

Edited 1 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Firstly rim protectors only fully work if you skim a smooth kerb, not so good if you heavily scrape or drop off a stone kerb with its uneven surface, also they also won't fully protect from jagged sides of a big pothole if you are unlucky enough to hit one.

 

Your shortlist :

Both summers are good, but don't expect either to work well in autumn cold muddy field run off, wet leaves, cold rain or sleet, and assume they will be useless if it snows.  Go for either of these if you have alternative car that you use in poor weather.

All seasons, the A005 tends to win wet part of tests, so is best suited to Southern areas or coastal regions where snow is rare, as weaker in snow.  The Quatrac Pro is one to go for if you want to use the car all year and you live in Midlands northwards.   But if you live where it is very hilly and you get few days of snow, then seriously consider buying proper winter tyres.

 

 

 

Thanks Guys.

Yes rim protectors are not an ultimate saviour, but do help in some circumstances.

If anyone who has any of the above tyres can comment on how decent the rim protection is that would be appreciated :)

Goodyear f1 assy 5's are the new ones, awesome tyre but do not believe the noise rating as they are a rather loud tyre, I replaced Bridgestone Potenza's and the Goodyears outshine them in every way except road noise, even the missus picked up on it and she knows nothing about cars. They are quite a fat tyre and do offer more protection than the previous Bridgestone.

Edited 20 November, 20196 yr by BigJase88

Yes, that's why I was looking at 3, apart from the new ones being noisier, I have read the 5's have less rim protection than the 3's ..

This may demonstrate the reason for my fear …. considering the profile I think it was a major miss by Bridgestone to not have rim protection on the Turanza's 😐

Yes the tyres "balloon" a bit, but that's not near the rim !

 

Edited 20 November, 20196 yr by Mr Grump

I have decided that I will stick with summer tyres as A: at least 2/3rd of the year are above 7 degrees, B: I don't use the car for work, so no journeys are strictly necessary, and C: I have been driving all season on "summer" tyres for 35 years (and obviously tyres in the past were not as good in all areas over new ones !)

At the moment I am leaning heavily towards the Michelin Pilot Sport 4.

4 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

I have decided that I will stick with summer tyres as A: at least 2/3rd of the year are above 7 degrees, B: I don't use the car for work, so no journeys are strictly necessary, and 😄 I have been driving all season on "summer" tyres for 35 years (and obviously tyres in the past were not as good in all areas over new ones !)

At the moment I am leaning heavily towards the Michelin Pilot Sport 4.

I wouldn’t use what you managed to do 20 or 30 years ago as a good guide.  Those tyres would have had more tread, been much narrower, and had much lower speed rating.  Gone are those zig zag tread patterns, replaced by longitudinal grooves.

 

Latest cars are fitted with Eco summer tyres, often rated at 160-186mph.  The formulation to give good fuel consumption on warm days becomes very hard below about 7-10c (just try poking them on cold morning if you don’t believe me).    Unfortunately the recent fashion for higher Eco rating has made cold weather behaviour much worse, as physically can’t formulate a compound that does both (too hard when cold, too soft and sticky if hot)

 

 

 

I recently fitted Bridgestone WeatherControl to my Karoq. We live in the country and they have been well tested in the past few weeks with rain/mud/floods/leaves and general slimy conditions. They are MUCH better than the original T0005 fitted from new in the rain and these autumn conditions. They have proved very sure footed on the motorway although this is not a large part of our driving. Recently my wife commented how much better these tyres are, having had to stop quickly for the local large tractored contractor who thinks 'might has the right'. Very happy with my choice.

Edited 24 November, 20196 yr by Luckypants
Clarity

Do you have any pics with those tyres on Luckypants ? I would like to see some fitted and see what sort of rim protection they have :)

 

I am still not convinced about all-season TBH.

Yes I undestand the logic and I know they are better this time of year, but I have managed without so far, and at least 2/3rd of the year is at temps were summer tyres work better....

Actually, seeing some dry braking and handling result compared to a good summer tyre, the weather control look like they perform well enough, hows the noise in cabin in comparison to your Turanzas @Luckypants ?

There is little compromise using all seasons over summer tyres all year round in the UK under what most people would consider normal driving (not unless you regularly drive at 10/10ths of the limit of adhesion on a nice summer afternoon, summer tyres may have an advantage over all season then). Cannot comment on varieties you are looking at, however the types I have used were excellent and wouldn't really consider using anything other than an all season now. 

Edited 25 November, 20196 yr by Gmac983

16 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

Do you have any pics with those tyres on Luckypants ? I would like to see some fitted and see what sort of rim protection they have

 

 

I don't have any photos and unlikely to for a few days as the car is out in the dark and back in the dark, my wife drives it to work. Could get some at the weekend if you still want them. However, they have no rim protection built into the tyre, that I can tell you.

 

1 hour ago, Mr Grump said:

Actually, seeing some dry braking and handling result compared to a good summer tyre, the weather control look like they perform well enough, hows the noise in cabin in comparison to your Turanzas @Luckypants ?

We have not noticed any increase in road noise.

 

We have noticed how much dirtier the car gets and that the rear wiper needs to be used more, indicating to me that more water is being shifted by these tyre.

Hmm, no rim protection is a shame, I take it you are on 18's on the Karoq ?

Yes. 225/50R18 OEM size. I had to go up slightly to 225/55 to get the Bridgestones fitted. This has been fine, several speed traps have shown my speedometer matches the speed traps identically (at 30 and 40mph). I like the deeper sidewalls for a bit more pot-hole protection.

Vredestein quatrac pro's are available in your size on oponeo @ £139, not sure if they'd have rim protection or not. 

Found the older quatrac 3s and 5s to be a decent tyre so would expect the pro to be much them same or better (or slight evolution of improvement anyway) 

 

21 hours ago, Luckypants said:

 I had to go up slightly to 225/55 to get the Bridgestones fitted

 

Is your insurance company lenient on this sort of thing.  I know some are and others are not with all variants in between.  Thinking of doing similar when my winters next need replacing.

Yes, some can be funny with that, most don't mind smaller  (presumbably as speedo would over-read).

Most cars are set to overread by a bit, hence why Luckypants is reading spot on with a slightly larger tyre.

 

But insurance companies are a law unto themselves and vary in their attitude with winter tyres/wheels (even though technically you are presenting a lower risk) so always best to check first.

 

In my case, I have decided to get summers with better rim protection (I hope !) and have ordered a set of PS4.

 

Edited 26 November, 20196 yr by Mr Grump

9 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

Yes, some can be funny with that, most don't mind smaller  (presumbably as speedo would over-read).

Most cars are set to overread by a bit, hence why Luckypants is reading spot on with a slightly larger tyre.

 

But insurance companies are a law unto themselves and vary in their attitude with winter tyres/wheels (even though technically you are presenting a lower risk) so always best to check first.

 

In my case, I have decided to get summers with better rim protection (I hope !) and have ordered a set of PS4.

 

Good call

 

all seasons / winters ain’t my bag either

They were delivered today … or nearly 😄

2 PS4 and 2 Primacy 3's arrived … oops !

Hopefully the correct ones will be coming in a couple of days !

13 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

They were delivered today … or nearly 😄

2 PS4 and 2 Primacy 3's arrived … oops !

Hopefully the correct ones will be coming in a couple of days !

 

MyTyres by any chance?

No, Blackcircles.

And fitted

 

Initial impressions are similar in noise, possibly a little bit quieter if anything, seem to take the edge of sudden bumps/ridges in the road (considering these are a higher load rating that's pleasing) and the rim protection is pretty decent (about 2.5 pound coin thickness worth) 🙂