My post was an attempt to cover the fact that we're not all equal. Some people, regardless of how much practice they get simply can't master it as well as others.

 

In my experience with 'DSG smoothness' threads practice helps, but it rarely makes things perfect.

 

As someone who is regularly a passenger, there are some drivers who aren't interested or are blissfully unaware of the comfort of their passengers, have little or no mechanical knowledge or sympathy or who simply aren't great drivers, which tends to show the most during tight parking manouvres or other high pressure situations.

 

Add into that mix the complexities and variability of VAG's DSG gearboxes and the plethora of driver aids all trying to do their thing and it is easy to come to the conclusion that even with practice some people will just never improve.

41 minutes ago, Kenny R said:

As said in post 2 practice makes perfect. Once you’ve mastered gentle use of the accelerator and feathering the brake pedal ( which allows you to stop without the autohold coming on ), there’s no need to be constantly on brake and accelerator pedals, nor is there any jerkiness, and certainly no need to keep turning autohold on and off.

Yeah, I agree with `Kenny` above.

If we're not careful we're going to turn this into trying to make this technique far more complicated than it actually is.

`OP` take your car somewhere quiet and spacious and as has been said repeatedly...practice how you do it successfully and easily.

You'll get there I know.

1 hour ago, silver1011 said:

The DSG gearbox is well documented to be great in almost all situations except low speed maneuvering, especially so on gradients.

 

In these situations, more so in certain model and DSG configurations, it can be very difficult to set off smoothly or as precisely as you might otherwise be able to do with a regular torque converter automatic or manual gearbox.

 

It has been this way for as long as I can remember.

 

Auto Hold helps a lot with a manual gearbox, it prevents the car rolling in the seconds between coming off the foot brake and hitting the bite point of the clutch.

 

With DSG it can be more of a hinderance and the parameters that dictate when it auto-releases are different, it requires input from the accelerator (as opposed to the relase of the clutch on a manual), so a lot of the time the DSG is trying to move the car whilst the Auto Hold is still holding it. This, during tight manoeuvres can be problematic,  the driver is on an off the brake and accelerator, constantly trying to initiate the DSG at the same time as repeatedly activating Auto Hold, hence the jerkiness. Add a steep incline into this and it can get even worse.

 

The DSG is good, but isn't perfect. This is why Skoda put the Auto Hold button close to the gear lever, so the driver can easily and quickly turn it off when they find themselves in these situations.

Have to disagree sorry 🙂 Maybe I’m just a driving god but I have no problem whatsoever manoeuvring at slow speed off the throttle and on the brake and back again. Tight spots. Uphill. Downhill ... I can’t ever remember one occasion where I have inadvertently engaged the auto hold...

 

 

^^^ really you need to read what @silver1011 posted. "certain models and DSG configuration."

 

Because you have the latest and most evolved of the systems.   As good as it gets really for choices.

There have been various DSG setups from 2009-2020 in various models.

Dry Clutch & Wet Clutch, all first with a manual Parking Brake. Some with Hillhold Assist / Hillhold Control. With or without Stop / Start.

Then with e-brakes, then e-brakes and Autohold.  Coasting Function. ACT / COD engines and now DSG's with TSI Engines and hybrid.

 

Plenty with a 1.6TDI with DQ200 dsg's complain of the reversing issue, reversing caravans up a drive etc.

 

People talk about DSG's as though they are all the same and clearly they are not by generation / years of manufacture.

 

Skoda have launched 2 new models in 2019 with DQ200 DSG's and Manual Parking Brakes.

Back to the future..

 

Edited 2 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

34 minutes ago, Nick_H said:

I can’t ever remember one occasion where I have inadvertently engaged the auto hold...

 

 

 

It needs a lighter touch to avoid the car thinking that you really want to come to a stop and stay there rather than it being a temporary pause whilst you manoeuvre. Perhaps your loafers are light enough to make it easier 😜

 

Joking apart I find the difference between the brake pedal position for engaging stop/start and auto-hold is about a nano-degree different to the position for just stopping and letting the clutches disengage so it's not straining against the brake.  Fortunately there's the option of turning said features off so that's what I do.  YMMV.

 

I learned in a manual four-speed Fiat Uno with zero driver aids apart from the seat-belt and I wore an onion on my belt as it was the style at the time... 😁

Sorry guys I was replying between wife and daughter reenacting ww1 trench warfare so not really taking note ! They are both now safely buried in the garden so back to normality 🙂

36 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

^^^ really you need to read what @silver1011 posted. "certain models and DSG configuration."

 

Because you have the latest and most evolved of the systems.   As good as it gets really for choices.

There have been various DSG setups from 2009-2020 in various models.

Dry Clutch & Wet Clutch, all first with a manual Parking Brake. Some with Hillhold Assist / Hillhold Control. With or without Stop / Start.

Then with e-brakes, then e-brakes and Autohold.  Coasting Function. ACT / COD engines and now DSG's with TSI Engines and hybrid.

 

Plenty with a 1.6TDI with DQ200 dsg's complain of the reversing issue, reversing caravans up a drive etc.

 

People talk about DSG's as though they are all the same and clearly they are not by generation / years of manufacture.

 

Skoda have launched 2 new models in 2019 with DQ200 DSG's and Manual Parking Brakes.

Back to the future..

 

Blah...Blah...Blah...just practice it for goodness sake.

8 minutes ago, unclerichy said:

 

It needs a lighter touch to avoid the car thinking that you really want to come to a stop and stay there rather than it being a temporary pause whilst you manoeuvre. Perhaps your loafers are light enough to make it easier 😜

 

Joking apart I find the difference between the brake pedal position for engaging stop/start and auto-hold is about a nano-degree different to the position for just stopping and letting the clutches disengage so it's not straining against the brake.  Fortunately there's the option of turning said features off so that's what I do.  YMMV.

 

I learned in a manual four-speed Fiat Uno with zero driver aids apart from the seat-belt and I wore an onion on my belt as it was the style at the time... 😁

`YMMV`?

I take it you don't teach for a living!

@mandp

Like with any Manual driver going to a 2 pedal car if they are not the brightest.

Motoring Journalist seem to always blame the tool, instead of thinking it is them, the driving gods.

 

But, 

still there have been some ****E auto's, CVT's Servo Clutch & DSG boxes over the years.

Just now, mandp said:

`YMMV`?

 

Your Mileage May Vary (i.e. we'll experience it differently).

1 minute ago, silver1011 said:

I take it you don't teach for a living!

 

 

Me or @mandp ?

 

Briskoda has at least 3 members that had DSG cars for Learner Tuition.

2 of these had Mk2 Fabia vRS and i know that one of those has now a 2.0TSI Polo GTI for lessons. 

On 01/02/2020 at 21:05, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

((A)) just pushes to be active and lit up, push again to have Autohold off.

Is that correct? In my car (A) just seems to activate or de-activate the stop-start system, with a message to that effect appearing on the display?

 

@OldBoyScout

That would be the Stop / Start button is it not?   An A with a circular arrow round it & off underneath.

Edited 2 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

9 minutes ago, OldBoyScout said:

Is that correct? In my car (A) just seems to activate or de-activate the stop-start system, with a message to that effect appearing on the display?

 

There are confusingly 2 buttons with A on them. One has A with a circular arrow around it - Auto stop start. The other has A with a brake shoe symbol around it  - Autohold. If you just have the former, your car doesn’t have autohold.

A with the brake shoes at the side of the circle. 

 Or sensibly clearly an Autohold button.    P also has a circle and brake shoes at the side/

Edited 2 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

10 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

That would be the Stop / Start button is it not?   

Yes, thanks for the explanation.

4 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

There are confusingly 2 buttons with A on them. One has A with a circular arrow around it - Auto stop start. The other has A with a brake shoe symbol around it  - Autohold. If you just have the former, your car doesn’t have autohold.

Yes, it certainly had me confused. 

I took delivery of a 1.5 TSI 7 speed DSG Superb Estate in June.  

 

Entry into our drive - sharp right, slightly uphill, between two brick posts, over a slight ridge, no transmission creep assistance - was a nightmare.  However, as the weeks passed the car started to develop the traditional Auto creep forward, which meant I no longer had to press the accelerator to make it move forward.  (It is also much less likely to kill the engine with stop start, which kicked in every time within a second of stopping initially - sometimes the car was still rolling when it cut out!)

I have also discovered that if you brake, the car will pause for 4-5 seconds before starting to creep again.  But sharply dab the brake and it carries on instead.  A succession of sharp brake pedal dabs slows me down without cutting drive.  Just don't try it with passengers as you'll leave them shaken not stirred.

I forgot to mention that the whole time the proximity warning alert is shrieking, unless I switch it off.  Yes, I know the brick pillars are there - I can see them next to my window!  I think I may have extra (unwanted) sensors as the car has autopark.

After two years of struggling with my DSG car's lack of creep (2019 1.5 TSI 7 speed DSG Superb Estate) I have a solution!

Entry into our drive - sharp right, slightly uphill, between two brick posts, over a slight ridge, no transmission creep assistance - was a nightmare.  I have recently discovered that if I select Sport mode by pulling the Transmission lever towards me, the situation is much improved.  I don't know whether the clutch slips less or the tickover increases, but my car no longer comes to a halt at the critical point, and a slight throttle blip will see me over the obstacle and home.  My car is a simple SE without the paid-for Sports gearbox option, but does have this sports option operated from the gearlever, so all the forward gears show as S1, S2, S3 etc instead of D1, D2 and D3...

I suspect the DSG box doesn't actually select / and or is reluctant to go into 1st in 'D' when in situations such as you mention, despite the indicator showing 'D1'......?

 

I've noticed when creeping along in traffic the display will often show 'D1' but the moment I touch the go pedal it changes to 'D2' .....

 

Just my 2p worth.........

@StephenCarter the shifter into S means the gear is held to a higher RPM before changing and it is common with a DQ200 to select S when crawling along in traffic so that the DSG is not going up and down from 1st to 2nd, or if crawling faster 2nd to 3rd.

 

Good that you have found what works for you.

3 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

@StephenCarter the shifter into S means the gear is held to a higher RPM before changing and it is common with a DQ200 to select S when crawling along in traffic so that the DSG is not going up and down from 1st to 2nd, or if crawling faster 2nd to 3rd.

 

Good that you have found what works for you.

Since you seem to have extensive experience, may i ask why my Superb, (MY2016) often starts out in D2, rather then D1, more so it does it on inclines as well, and it can get a tad bumpy once it decides it cant make it in D2 then abruptly downshifts into D1.

@bubib5sorry no idea but it is a fault you want to get diagnosed and repaired.

What do you have is it a 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG so a DQ200, or do you have a 6 speed wet clutch DSG?

1 hour ago, e-Roottoot said:

@bubib5sorry no idea but it is a fault you want to get diagnosed and repaired.

What do you have is it a 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG so a DQ200, or do you have a 6 speed wet clutch DSG?

Its a 6 speed, wet clutch.. I dont recon its a fault, more a feature i guess, just wondering if you knew why they programmed it like that, to try and start in 2nd gear, rather then 1st..

@bubib5

It is not a feature the VW Engineers designed into your car.  (It is one some people might have liked they had done.)

Not a feature on any i have driven.

 

I have driven a few and had a 2016 2.0 TDI SCR DSG for 40,000 miles / 3 years.  It had it's scheduled oil change before 3 years.

 

?

Have you had your car from new and it has been doing the same from new?