Just got a new 272  DSG Superb with start stop and an electronic handbrake. 

 

What's the technique for creeping into a parking space against say a wall or another car ahead? (I've never had an auto before) 

 

I've not tried yet but I've got visions of pulling in, stopping a little short, deciding I need another foot forward and with the stop start engaged and the handbrake on the only way to deactivate both is depressing the accelerator. 

 

Cue a lurch forward using up all of the foot I want plus more and banging into the obstacle ahead? 

15 minutes ago, ILOVEMYSUPERB said:

What's the technique for creeping into a parking space against say a wall or another car ahead? (I've never had an auto before) 

Practice makes perfect! 

Turn off stop/start and auto handbrake before manoeuvring and it will creep just like a regular auto.

Turn 'em back on again when you've done if that floats your boat.

I left the auto handbrake feature off after a few months as I found it quite annoying 

As post 2 practice makes perfect. You’ll soon find gentle use of the accelerator pedal allows you to creep without the autohold coming on. 

I tend to leave the autohold on. When it activates, don’t press the throttle until the car moves - it will lurch. Just dab the throttle momentarily, then wait. This will release the autohold brake and the clutch will start to engage gently. Patience is the trick, but of course this all happens within a couple of seconds. The start-stop generally gets the idea that you are manoeuvring but if it doesn’t, it’s best to turn it off. If the engine does stop, the technique is similar - one brief throttle dab to restart the engine, a second brief dab to get it moving.

 

Be aware that autohold doesn’t use the handbrake, it is more like just keeping the brake pedal pressed, (ie it pressurises the brake fluid) and so it comes off virtually instantly. If the hand brake is on (first moving off after start, or if you’ve put it into park, or manually activated the handbrake) the brake comes off by means of a motor whirling round, which takes slightly longer than to release the fluid pressure.

 

This technique of dabbing the throttle to restart / move off is the best way for all moving off. If you just press and hold the throttle, it tends to move off with a lurch.

 

Id say that generally the DSG is less “lurchy” than a normal automatic, because the clutch is initially disengaged and only starts to engage after you’ve dabbed the throttle, whereas with a torque converter it is always trying to fight the brakes.

Edited 1 February, 20206 yr by nicknorman

Having had more than one DSG car with an electronic brake, I’d also like to add that they’re not all as forgiving as each other. Some may take longer to adapt to than others but what @nicknorman mentioned above is good info.

I just turn off the auto handbrake when manoeuvring into such spaces.
 

Biggest problem I have is I often forget to put it back on , so put the car into Park (foot still on foot brake), then turn off the engine. As you take the foot off the floor rake the car moves a little and it doesn’t half make my heart rate go up! So turn engine back on, and re engage auto brake..

Autohold only comes on if you press a foot brake hard enough to activate it.  The e-parking brake is a different thing.

Parking sensors that stop the car dead can be more of an issue. Reversing into a spot and being stopped 1.5 meters from a low wooden barrier at Aldi can be a pita.

Edited 1 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

14 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Autohold only comes on if you press a foot brake hard enough to activate it.  The e-parking brake is a different thing.

Parking sensors the stop the car dead can be more of an issue. Reversing into a spot and being stopped 1.5 meters from a low wooden barrier at Aldi can be a pita.

To true, many is the time I have come to a dead stop while reversing into the garage.

Took me a while to figure it out when I first got the car.🤔

I don't turn off auto-handbrake, I just press the handbrake button to release it manually, that way you're in control - just lift the footbrake and away you go.  I park next to a wall on our drive daily - I creep forward and back to get it right, and never had an issue.

 

Auto-handbrake always on for me and I've never had a problem manoeuvring. As others have mentioned quick dab on the throttle then straight on the brake to control.

To avoid confusion can we call the features by their correct name!?

 

- Auto Hold

- EPB - Electronic Parking Brake.

 

I'm getting confused as to which of the two features you're referring to.

 

1 hour ago, silver1011 said:

To avoid confusion can we call the features by their correct name!?

 

- Auto Hold

- EPB - Electronic Parking Brake.

 

I'm getting confused as to which of the two features you're referring to.

 

 

The one that replaced the handbrake that means I never have to push or pull a button illuminating the little ((A)) on the left

((A)) just pushes to be active and lit up, push again to have Autohold off.

(P) is push / pull.  

9 minutes ago, Nick_H said:

 

The one that replaced the handbrake that means I never have to push or pull a button illuminating the little ((A)) on the left

But the point is that the A symbol (auto-hold) has no relationship to the parking brake.

7 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

But the point is that the A symbol (auto-hold) has no relationship to the parking brake.

 

Speak for your own car my A symbol (auto-hold) is in a very happy relationship with the parking brake button ! 

Edited 1 February, 20206 yr by Nick_H

7 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

But the point is that the A symbol (auto-hold) has no relationship to the parking brake.

I think (A)uto hold and electronic (P)arking brake are linked as turning engine off (in a manual) becomes parking brake.

People do think that. Better if they find out the difference. E-Parking brake is for parked. Seat belt off, door open, in N or P.

Autohold different altogether. 

1 hour ago, NJRJ said:

I think (A)uto hold and electronic (P)arking brake are linked as turning engine off (in a manual) becomes parking brake.

Yes it is true that if autohold is active and keeping the car stationary, then you stop the engine, the parking brake is automatically applied. But my point is that the two mechanisms are unrelated - the autohold works by means of an electric pump keeping pressure up in the hydraulic brake circuits, braking all 4 wheels just as if the brake pedal were pressed, whereas the parking brake is 2 electric motors that mechanically push the rear brake pads against the discs. Agreed that the electronic brain that controls all this communicates with both items, but the items themselves are unrelated and entirely different technologies.

Edited 1 February, 20206 yr by nicknorman

2 hours ago, Nick_H said:

 

The one that replaced the handbrake that means I never have to push or pull a button illuminating the little ((A)) on the left

 

And there lies the confusion.

 

Auto Hold hasn't replaced the EPB / handbrake.

 

Auto Hold simply holds the front brakes on using the ABS pump.

 

The EPB uses a motor to electronically apply the rear brakes.

 

Two separate functions and systems.

 

So your earlier reference of "auto-handbrake" was a reference to Auto Hold? As far as I am aware the only time the EPB applies automatically is if Auto Hold is active and you turn the engine off / open the drivers door.

Yes that is correct.

16 hours ago, ILOVEMYSUPERB said:

What's the technique for creeping into a parking space against say a wall or another car ahead? (I've never had an auto before) 

 

I've not tried yet but I've got visions of pulling in, stopping a little short, deciding I need another foot forward and with the stop start engaged and the handbrake on the only way to deactivate both is depressing the accelerator. 

 

Cue a lurch forward using up all of the foot I want plus more and banging into the obstacle ahead? 

 

All those replies about disabling this and that and discussions about parking brakes and autohold  - what's all that about?

 

To answer your question directly, for very short distances practice / use left foot braking - no need to worry about anything else. I had the same concerns as yourself when I first drove the DSG and tried to park the car in our small garage. Practice left foot braking - it's easier, more convenient and safer than any of the above methods.   

Do no use left foot braking unless you understand the system.

Left foot braking and use of throttle at the same time cut power.

 

One footed people can park perfectly well.   Just practice driving 2 pedal cars and drive them the way that would be acceptable if you were sitting your driving test.

 

This is maybe of interest to those with a 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG. That is DQ200's.

So not what the OP has as that is a DSG with wet clutches..

 

 

Edited 2 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

The DSG gearbox is well documented to be great in almost all situations except low speed maneuvering, especially so on gradients.

 

In these situations, more so in certain model and DSG configurations, it can be very difficult to set off smoothly or as precisely as you might otherwise be able to do with a regular torque converter automatic or manual gearbox.

 

It has been this way for as long as I can remember.

 

Auto Hold helps a lot with a manual gearbox, it prevents the car rolling in the seconds between coming off the foot brake and hitting the bite point of the clutch.

 

With DSG it can be more of a hinderance and the parameters that dictate when it auto-releases are different, it requires input from the accelerator (as opposed to the relase of the clutch on a manual), so a lot of the time the DSG is trying to move the car whilst the Auto Hold is still holding it. This, during tight manoeuvres can be problematic,  the driver is on an off the brake and accelerator, constantly trying to initiate the DSG at the same time as repeatedly activating Auto Hold, hence the jerkiness. Add a steep incline into this and it can get even worse.

 

The DSG is good, but isn't perfect. This is why Skoda put the Auto Hold button close to the gear lever, so the driver can easily and quickly turn it off when they find themselves in these situations.

15 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

The DSG gearbox is well documented to be great in almost all situations except low speed maneuvering, especially so on gradients.

 

In these situations, more so in certain model and DSG configurations, it can be very difficult to set off smoothly or as precisely as you might otherwise be able to do with a regular torque converter automatic or manual gearbox.

 

It has been this way for as long as I can remember.

 

Auto Hold helps a lot with a manual gearbox, it prevents the car rolling in the seconds between coming off the foot brake and hitting the bite point of the clutch.

 

With DSG it can be more of a hinderance and the parameters that dictate when it auto-releases are different, it requires input from the accelerator (as opposed to the relase of the clutch on a manual), so a lot of the time the DSG is trying to move the car whilst the Auto Hold is still holding it. This, during tight manoeuvres can be problematic,  the driver is on an off the brake and accelerator, constantly trying to initiate the DSG at the same time as repeatedly activating Auto Hold, hence the jerkiness. Add a steep incline into this and it can get even worse.

 

The DSG is good, but isn't perfect. This is why Skoda put the Auto Hold button close to the gear lever, so the driver can easily and quickly turn it off when they find themselves in these situations.

As said in post 2 practice makes perfect. Once you’ve mastered gentle use of the accelerator and feathering the brake pedal ( which allows you to stop without the autohold coming on ), there’s no need to be constantly on brake and accelerator pedals, nor is there any jerkiness, and certainly no need to keep turning autohold on and off.

Edited 2 February, 20206 yr by Kenny R