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Is your Mechanic a VW Group trained one?

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When petrol changed to E10 why did you use that & stop using Tesco Momentum 99 E5 ?

4 minutes ago, Mikerp said:

OK, I'll try to get it between 3000-5000 RPM. Is there an additive that can help?

Bear in mind I'm not suggesting you have the car screaming for miles on end in 2nd or 3rd gear at 5,000 rpm.  An empty dual or motorway where you can safely maintain say 60 or 70mph and if possible with a long steep hill.

 

No need for an additive the higher octane petrols already have greater cleaning additives in them and anyway you don't really know what if anything need additional cleaning this is just a general blow-out to balance out all the short journeys.  It is not something to cure the problem with your car as we don't know what that is this is to generally help with general running but if don't properly it won't do any harm and might help generally.

  

Because we were told to use E10 and Momentum was E5. I am going back to Momentum. I am not sure about my mechanic But I have used them for years with no problem. Skoda are useless

I will take it up the A38 from Plymouth to Exeter and back, roughly 100 mile round trip

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Who told you to use E10, the Government?

 

All that changed was 95 Ron Un-leaded could have 10% Bio in it.   So E10. 

Super Unleaded 97 or 99 ron in the UK stayed at able to use up to 5% Bio.  

I asked in a garage, but I am defo going back to Momentum

6 minutes ago, Mikerp said:

Ok, I will drive it in sports mode for a couple of days

Depending on the mileage and types of journeys go the whole hog and leave it in sport for two tankfuls.

 

 

Just now, Mikerp said:

I will take it up the A38 from Plymouth to Exeter and back, roughly 100 mile round trip

Fair enough,  Bear in mind a constant 70 won't be as good as, where safe to do so, sometimes slowing down and accelerating hard - but not in 1st gear or low speed 2nd gear.

 

If you were previously always using Tesco Momentum99 then the engine and exhaust might be a little bit cleaner than with just Tesco 95 but as I put before the air filter, quality and condition of engine oil and filter, spark plugs, injectors, etc. also contribute to the overall effect.

 

I think the last time I drove my wife's Fabia just on a small A-road 8 mile journey a few weeks back the oil temperature showed IIRC as 93-96, never went above 60 and mainly in 30s and 40s - but that's a different car, engine, sensor and gauge.  Coolant gauge rock steady on 90. 😄  Digital speedo overreads by 2mph AFAIK, we never bother with the computer readouts of MPG, 🤣 I just remind my wife, every time, it's 4.546 litres to the gallon.

 

I have a service plan with Skoda and it had a full service about 4 months ago. Probably best I take it on Dartmoor, More opportunity for long straight road with not much traffic. Won't accelerate hard in Sport 1 or Sport 2

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23 minutes ago, Mikerp said:

I have a service plan with Skoda and it had a full service about 4 months ago. Probably best I take it on Dartmoor, More opportunity for long straight road with not much traffic. Won't accelerate hard in Drive 1 or Drive 2

So engine oil & filter change, a look at some other stuff, (MoT) ask you about brake fluid change and the dreaded cambelt, previous year engine oil & filter change, possibly sparkplugs and pollen filter and ask about air-con service and DSG oil change.  Hopefully if they changed the spark plugs last year they hopefully changed the air filter at the same time if not it's down as a change at 6 years or 60K-miles which I find amazing, perhaps I'm being too fussy but 6 years or 60k-miles seems a lot to me, I used to change paper filters at every 6 months on the old cars and they sounded glad of it (no garage sit outside).

 

Not been Exmoor since 1998 when a brand new British car collected that day started leaking petrol because as it turned out the fuel hose used wasn't petrol resistant and the metal fuel filter wasn't crimped fully - but that's another of my very many car stories.

 

If suitable conditions, how about the B3212 Yelverton to Moretonhampstead road?  Remember it's more about revs than speed, plenty of ups and downs, make the computers work for all the hassle they give.

 

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Exmoor is North Devon, I live on the edge of Dartmoor and yes I have driven the B3212 many times

3 minutes ago, Mikerp said:

Exmoor is North Devon, I live on the edge of Dartmoor and yes I have driven the B3212 many times

Sorry I'm getting confused I think we drove across Dartmoor on the way to Exmoor.  I do remember we stopped at a pub for a drink and parked on the street and someone said I'd get the alloy wheels nicked and I explained they were only cheap ones and he replied that'd not stop 'em.  Nice I thought, but it's usually the better pubs that serve the better ale so I didn't worry at this stop at least.

 

I'm pretty certain we'd have done the B3212 but as it was only the once I don't remember it, though I can remember having the lights on and it being a bit misty in places, I think that was Dartmoor.

 

 Reply from Skoda this morning. If I had a misfire the engine light would come on and it didn't

 

Hope you are well. It is unfortunate that the replacement coil didn’t fix your issue and the EPC light came back on. The start stop system won’t cause the issue you are describing so I think it is important to separate this from the root cause investigation. We see many variations of issues on the range of cars we look after however, your issue doesn’t relate to any historic technical information.

 

The only way to find out what is going on is to book your vehicle in for something along the lines of ‘investigate misfire symptoms, EPC light comes on and car judders’. Start stop will always error and become unavailable when there is a fault on the car so this is potential a pseudo fault.

 

A complicating factor may be that you keep connecting your diagnosis tool and this can cause us issues identifying what is going on especially if you carry out a clearance of codes as this will erase all code history and it may be that your reader just can’t see something that it then subsequently erases. This may not be the case however, to identify what is going on we need all the information we can possibly get, particularly in cases where the fault isn’t present all the time.

 

I would recommend do not modify the car at all as this will introduce new faults that will mask anything going on. When the EPC light comes on and the symptoms happen again, do not connect anything to the car. Call us up and make a booking to get the investigation booked in as above. You will need to make a booking and not just visit us as we are normally at capacity on any given day.

 

Please be aware that we will not be able to investigate this fault without charge as the time this may consume. We can offer the initial investigation time at £60, if the fault then requires more time this will be requested on the day of the visit. Therefore it is important that if you decide to use us to investigate this matter further, the car is in a state of error when you book it in, EPC light on and fault occurred.

 

I would also recommend booking it in for a number of days, 3-4 day period so that it gives the technician the flexibility to test the car and identify what is going on.

 

Sent email to Skoda saying I am not happy just got a reply

OK, I am not off in the next few weeks (except bank holidays). If the EPC light comes on while driving come down and see me while it is on and I will steal a technician from the workshop in a hope that we can see if we can find a clue to what is causing the EPC light to illuminate. I think that is the only way forward at this stage.

 

Hopefully the EPC light will come on soon

My wife's Fabia had misfires show up on the scan tool when my I had the battery coded but I'd never seen any lights on for it and the only time it was running rough was at cold starts but fine when pulling off, I find the engine bay has all sorts of strange noises at various times, I ignore it as the computers working their 'magic'. 

 

P030000 - Random/Multiple Cylinder, Misfire Detected, Intermittent, P030300 - Cyl.3, Misfire Detected, Intermittent, P030400 - Cyl.4, Misfire Detected, Intermittent

 

Mike I think the Dealership have set out their conditions and are going to make a Technician available so if you are going to them you might as well reconnect the battery monitor and not delete any error codes and probably best just to drive as normal using 95 at least until this is sorted.

 

Let us know how you get on.

 

I have done that, now I just wait for the EPC  light coming on. 

Look out for other signs or strange goings-on too and note them and the circumstances when they happen as they might, or might not, be significant, don't just rely on lights and codes, you as a human can be more sensitive than the computer programs.

 

These VW computer programs are over-complicated and intertwined so what may seem unrelated may be related to the computer programs and of course those programs can errors within them and have glitches which throw up false actions / reactions/ readings or the other way have wide parameters that don't throw up a code or light but you notice it.

 

But don't get paranoid, as I put my wife's Fabia has all sorts of noises from the engine bay but seems to be running fine, if you look too hard you can find things that are not really there.

 

Good luck.

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On 28/12/2021 at 16:29, nta16 said:

IIRC which is usually in doubt, you get the A crossed through symbol on the dash showing the start/stop is unavailable - and who knows with the newer models connected to the intrawebthigy a message is recorded on VW's computer so that in the future if the gearbox fails they can blame it on this disconnection of the start/stop system, whilst they go through your music lists and photos. 😄

 

It was only (fault) warning lights that I was referring to, the "cross through the symbol on the dash" is only a user status indicator for auto Stop/Start availability.

The gearbox had a 40.000 mile service only 4 months ago

@Mikerp  How much did someone rip you off to service a DQ200 DSG with no Service Schedule / Guidelines for oil changes so no need to service?

 

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Skoda Garage

I would get that refunded.    Did they take £215?

 

They were taking the pith. 

That can pay for them sorting out this issue.

 

 

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Was the DSG Service done under the Service Plan so at no extra cost to you?

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Where the Spark Plugs replaced at that service as part of the Service Plan?

 

This below does not apply to the DQ200 DSG @ 40,000 miles / 4 years as far as an Oil change.  

 

Deal with the Dealer Principal only not the Service Manager or Workshop Manager and ask why they serviced your DSG.

 

 

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Edited by roottoot

It was the 40,000 mile service done under the plan, they didn't do the gearbox.

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