Hi , having decided to take the wheels off the vrs with the intention of removing the plastic arch liners to see if anything nasty with rust is happening, only to find that the locking wheel bolt key is missing only had the car a year and didn't realise, also missing is the plastic bolt cover removal tool, but managed to get them off with two Marley tile fixing clips of all things.

I took a picture of the bolt but my phone wont up load at the moment, it looks like a torx or star fitting with 10 ridges, no identifying numbers visible.

Not at all like other locking patterns I have come across.

My question is are they all the same or different, what could it be and size.

Seen some on Ebay that look similar.

Thanks

Martin

Do they look anything like the standard Skoda ones (CFA071004)?...

 

 

 

 

Edited 30 May, 20206 yr by TMB

Hi Lee, they don't look like the ones in your picture,more like a torx pattern.

I will try again tomorrow morning and see if I can get the photo I took to up load.

Thanks for your quick response. 

Martin

OK, and no probs

I  tried to help someone local who had an 05VRS to find that the lock nut remover on my 1.4 is slightly larger than the Vrs one. So I'd suggest that there's a few patterns around. Looks like it might mean clenching buttocks and heading off to a main dealer to find out if Skoda service is what it is hyped up to be.

 

Managed to sort this photo of the locking wheel bolt this morning.

If anyone can help identify the fitting as I cannot drive the car-cylinder head issues as previously mentioned, not taxed or insured either.

Thanks

Martin

Maybe try looking on ebay I'm not sure if that type were McGard but all the much later weird shaped ones are.  Now if they are actually McGard they I think will match a key to a picture, if that helps as that car is stationary.

 

By the way and of no good to you in this situation, the key code is normally on the end of the inner end of the bolt obviously for security reasons.

 

I'm sure that either my wife's old 2002 Polo had that type of security bolt, or even my 2000 Passat, so the do look to be original VW Group ones.

Here is a 10 tooth one:-     https://www.amazon.co.uk/LSLMLLL-Anti-theft-Adapter-Volkswagen-Passat/dp/B07T2CD9X2

 

Just to give you confidence that it is the original bolts you have fitted, maybe use its part numbers to help source one?

The McGuard have no hole in the centre of the bolt.

 

Look at this and count the points. ( 10 )

 

Thanks AG Falco

And while you are shopping on line, here is the part number of the bolt cover removal tool:-  8D0 012 244A    there are probably a few older numbers for that one, but that one will work.

30 minutes ago, rum4mo said:

And while you are shopping on line, here is the part number of the bolt cover removal tool:-  8D0 012 244A    there are probably a few older numbers for that one, but that one will work.

Hi , I beat you to it, just ordered one from tinternet, as once the wheels get re furbished I don't want to scratch them, and messing about at leisure in a nice dry garage is slightly different on a road side at night in wind and rain etc.

Also ordered the 10 spline tool.

Very much appreciate your help.

Martin

43 minutes ago, AGFalco said:

The McGuard have no hole in the centre of the bolt.

 

Look at this and count the points. ( 10 )

 

Thanks AG Falco

Hi, thanks for your help, found one  on the tinternet and ordered it.

15 hours ago, TMB said:

OK, and no probs

Hi Lee , all sorted now, assuming the spline tool fits when it gets here.

Thanks

Martin

First thing to do once you've removed them is throw them away and fit standard bolts. 

15 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

First thing to do once you've removed them is throw them away and fit standard bolts. 

Hi Sepulchrave,  what is your rational for your suggestion, is it because they can't be torqued up as much as the standard bolts?

 

 

25 minutes ago, kentdale said:

what is your rationale for your suggestion

 

What you haven't got, you can't lose or break.

 

My Fabia III locking wheel bolts and key went on day two.

I drove it home on day one.

 

Thanks AG Falco

39 minutes ago, kentdale said:

Hi Sepulchrave,  what is your rational for your suggestion, is it because they can't be torqued up as much as the standard bolts?

 

 

 

It's because they're more trouble than they're worth, no-one is going to steal the alloys off a twenty year old car but as you've discovered losing the key is a real headache. Tyre fitters and mechanics hate them and getting even torque on all the bolts is harder.

 

They don't do anything and cause problems, like AGFalco I got rid of mine immediately, I found four standard bolts in the spare wheel well in a ziploc bag as soon as I got the car home. I threw the lockers and the key in the bin.

1 hour ago, sepulchrave said:

 

It's because they're more trouble than they're worth, no-one is going to steal the alloys off a twenty year old car but as you've discovered losing the key is a real headache. Tyre fitters and mechanics hate them and getting even torque on all the bolts is harder.

 

They don't do anything and cause problems, like AGFalco I got rid of mine immediately, I found four standard bolts in the spare wheel well in a ziploc bag as soon as I got the car home. I threw the lockers and the key in the bin.

Hi Sepulchrave,  I suppose you have a good point with the lost key  which is exactly where I am but hopefully ok as long as the key I have ordered fits.

Martin 

 

I had an alternative to locking nuts many years ago. I'd fitted decent tyres to my old & ancient Cavalier and parked it near my wife's place of work. Got home to find my wheel nuts loose, after passing a few cars being worked on . Not something I would expect as I used a spider. My simple cure was to replace one bolt with an allen key bolt of the same thread with a wheelnut to suite the wheel. You can still torque th nut, but how many wheel t leaves carry that size of allen key.

I've had mainly bought new cars for 38 years that came with locking wheel nut/bolt and the worst issues that I've had were with the earlier Fords with the ball bearing built into the security nut, that was as you might expect as hard as hell and it cut its way into the adaptor, but never caused any real "can't get it or wheel off" situations.

 

Recently for some reason, I have bought a set of 4 normal bolts for my wife's 2015 VW Polo 6C and my 2011 Audi S4 and my plan is to remove these security bolts when ever they need handed in to get any serious repair work that I can't/will not do on them - I've even bought 4 of each normal bolt covers!! (being in lockdown fuels the need to do something?)

rum- I agree- but only reason I keep the lock nuts on my 16 year old car is to keep insurance co happy ,as I suspect the first question that they'd use to decline any claim would be "was the car fitted with the makers anti theft device". But personally these days I'd be more worried about wheel anti theft devices if I had a Transit van . Spare on a Transit- take it out from under and put it in back. It's too easy to thieve from under the rear end at same time as they're nicking the cat.

Just an update, the 10 spline key has arrived and fits so well on the spotless bolt head I cannot grip it by hand to remove it so its a result.

Good enough, no doubt it will "ease off" with use.

 

The other handy thing to have is a "wheel locating dowel pin"  - but if you plan on buying one of them VW dealerships and Audi ones will order them in small money, most if not all ebay sellers ask quite a bit for them, they make swopping wheels over a lot easier - in fact I think that someone maybe on this forum bought 2 alloy or steel ones and cut one down in length a bit so that he made it even easier swopping wheels by having 2 locator pegs with staggered lengths.  The cheap as ships VW Group one is solid plastic and strong enough. VW p/n 893 012 223 .

1 hour ago, rum4mo said:

Good enough, no doubt it will "ease off" with use.

 

The other handy thing to have is a "wheel locating dowel pin"  - but if you plan on buying one of them VW dealerships and Audi ones will order them in small money, most if not all ebay sellers ask quite a bit for them, they make swopping wheels over a lot easier - in fact I think that someone maybe on this forum bought 2 alloy or steel ones and cut one down in length a bit so that he made it even easier swopping wheels by having 2 locator pegs with staggered lengths.  The cheap as ships VW Group one is solid plastic and strong enough. VW p/n 893 012 223 .

I remember seeing this on ebay and wondered why one was needed as I owned two Renault 16 cars, first one a yellow TS 1565 cc with black lovely vinyl seats RDN 747M and a petrol blue TX 1647 cc they had 3 wheel bolts and no bother centralizing but of course tougher steel wheels, is this needed because they are softer alloy?

 

 

2 minutes ago, kentdale said:

I remember seeing this on ebay and wondered why one was needed as I owned two Renault 16 cars, first one a yellow TS 1565 cc with black lovely vinyl seats RDN 747M and a petrol blue TX 1647 cc they had 3 wheel bolts and no bother centralizing but of course tougher steel wheels, is this needed because they are softer alloy?

 

 

 

No, it is not completely needed, but can make life a bit easier, especially when wheels get bigger and heavier.

 

I first came across these plastic pegs on my 2000 VW Passat 4Motion. I think that the only reason VW bothered to supply one in the tool kit was because the front discs did not have any fixing screw on them, so it could get a bit annoying fitting a wheel on with no studs to locate things and worse, having a free to move/rotate disc which could rotate and cover the bolts holes!

 

So, I quickly added one to the tool kit in my wife's 2002 VW Polo when she bought it, I think it is also a cost cutting issue not supplying them, every penny counts.

 

I ordered one in for my daughter's Leon Cupra and had to get one ordered in via either Audi or VW as SEAT and I think Skoda do not recognise that part number.