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No, sorry. Copyright material.  You can buy it yourself at erwin skoda for 7 euros plus tax.

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13 minutes ago, Wino said:

No, sorry. Copyright material.  You can buy it yourself at erwin skoda for 7 euros plus tax.

please share a link. 

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15 hours ago, Wino said:

Ok. 

I bought those materials, and I think it would be easier to start from beginning. Today Im going to reset all codes once again, and using multimeter and those schemas I would like to start from relay, checking sensors (is there supply oprovided), and I'll try to check the resistance of those sensors. Maybe I will find something. 

One more question - could you please share description, how to read schemas? 
for example, I can't understand, what those numbers mean, for example, for fuel pump relay scheme - yellow-black wire described as '85' which is number of relay contact, then I see '6' exact in same place (no idea what does it mean), then I see 0.5 in the middle of this wire - which is the size of the wire I think, and then I see '36' in some borders like square. Looks like this is the PIN nub,er of ECU, but I'm not sure. 

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20 minutes ago, Slava said:

Ok. 

I bought those materials, and I think it would be easier to start from beginning. Today Im going to reset all codes once again, and using multimeter and those schemas I would like to start from relay, checking sensors (is there supply oprovided), and I'll try to check the resistance of those sensors. Maybe I will find something. 

One more question - could you please share description, how to read schemas? 
for example, I can't understand, what those numbers mean, for example, for fuel pump relay scheme - yellow-black wire described as '85' which is number of relay contact, then I see '6' exact in same place (no idea what does it mean), then I see 0.5 in the middle of this wire - which is the size of the wire I think, and then I see '36' in some borders like square. Looks like this is the PIN nub,er of ECU, but I'm not sure. 

Ok. I got it. It's a 'reference' - which means, somewhere later I can find same value and it will mean that fuel pump relay link #36 wired with this one. right? 

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Numbers in rectangular boxes show the 'current track' where this wire continues.  'Current track' numbers are the numbers running along the bottom of each diagram. When you get to the correct page with the referenced current track, you'll find a corresponding rectangle containing the number of the current track where you just came from.

Example here where both current tracks are on the same page (they usually aren't)  I've drawn in a green line to show the two points being linked

 

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21 minutes ago, Wino said:

Numbers in rectangular boxes show the 'current track' where this wire continues.  'Current track' numbers are the numbers running along the bottom of each diagram. When you get to the correct page with the referenced current track, you'll find a corresponding rectangle containing the number of the current track where you just came from.

Example here where both current tracks are on the same page (they usually aren't)  I've drawn in a green line to show the two points being linked

 

Radfans.png

What that bottom values mean? here is 57, 58, 59 etc... ? 

And another question - you wired numbers like 68 and 59. I'm assuming that this is just an example, and I have to ignore numbers, because in real situation the 59 number will be connected to 59 and 68 will be connected to 68, right? 

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No, wrong.

 

As I wrote, the numbers along the bottom are the current track numbers. The numbers in the rectangular boxes refer to these.  Don't ignore any numbers.

 

Please think about this for a while. It's confusing at first but simple really.

Live connections start at the top, from a relay plate or control unit and work their way down to the bottom (earth track).

 

Usually the current flow diagrams start with a detailed explanation of how to read the manual.

 

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2 hours ago, Wino said:

many thanks all of you guys. 
I've got how to read those numbers - thanks Wino. So, right now I started from beginning as planned. Will keep you updated. 

 

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So, What I have for today: 

Checking wires, I found that the Hall sensor (page 2/9, element G40) must have +5V on black-white wire. While red-blue one with "-". I double-checked it in different states (with ignition, without, with engine started) - both have "-".  I checked wires for cut - everything looks good. How I check it: 

- I put multimeter PIN red to black-white, PIN black to red-blue - no any voltage. 

- I put multimeter PIN red to black-white, PIN black to accumulator "+" - and see "almost -6v", which means that there is a voltage there. Is that correct approach? 
I also checked same with another ECU, but there is an issue with immobilizer with it. So, I can't start engine with it, but the parameters are same - no +5V on G40. 

 

Are these steps correct? 

thanks

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The most strange thing: 

If I add contact negative ( earth ) signal on ECU PIN 26 ( negative wire for fuel pump relay)  just only when the starter is working - and then release it as it is (without additional negative supply on that wire) - everything works perfect.

What the hell is going on with this car? 

  • 2 months later...
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Thanks to all guys, I solved the problem. First of all, personal and huge thanks to you, @Wino. Schemes do the trick: The fuel pump relay is not the only one who controls the pump. Another relay (called also Simos control unit relay). So that another relay (number 429) is the one who does that first initial start of the pump. And it works not stable. Changing that relay solves the problem. 

 

Thank you very very much. 

If you can - please mark the topic as "solver" or "resolved"

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