Hi all, just joined and s first post.

Don’t own a Skoda but need a 7 seater.

Think we’ve settled on a Kodiaq with Tarraco being a close 2nd.

 

was considering PCH but deals aren’t great right now (missed a few but wasn’t ready to commit then) so now looking at purchasing one.

 

my budget (£16k) won’t stretch far so I’m likely looking at a 2017 plate high mileage one. I’ve ruled out SE and SE Drive.

there are a few SEL and the odd Edition around that price range.

looking at spec, there’s not a great deal more in Edition than there is SEL but there’s more of the latter out there on the market than there a the former. I like the leather and the alloys on the Edition.

i would’ve preferred a rear view cam but I know this can be retrofitted.

 

had my budget stretched further I would’ve really liked a Meteor Grey Sport Line. I know Edition came with free metallic or special paint so likely I’ve more chance in an Edition.

 

Im flexible on engine. Can’t get my head past the 1.5 Tsi in such a big car. Is there a thread purely on fuel economy? Fuelly doesn’t have much UK data but looks like 30mpg real world average.

prefer diesel and rather avoid the 4x4 as it’s just more to go wrong and quicker going through rear tyres.

 

So I have a question on engine, TSI or TDI. I’ll be doing 8,000 miles a year, mixture of very local and some motorway. I like the torque of a diesel.

 

and I have a question on upgrading the bodywork time make it look like sport line. Has this been done?

looks like front splitter, rear splitter, side skirts and gloss front grille, anything else?

Also, I notice earlier petrol models were 1.4 and later ones 1.5.

aside from the extra 100cc across 4 chambers, was there any other material change in the engine, either in the block or other components or perhaps it was problematic (or not)?

I don’t have all the answers, but I went from a 2.0 Diesel manual Kuga to a 1.5 petrol DSG Kodiaq.      I was concerned about size of engine but it’s actually really good.

 

Ive only done just over 500 miles, I’m getting approx 42mpg from it, but I haven’t done any town stop start stuff, it’s all been quiet country lanes and Dual carriageway.

 

 

1 hour ago, GrowlingDog said:

I don’t have all the answers, but I went from a 2.0 Diesel manual Kuga to a 1.5 petrol DSG Kodiaq.      I was concerned about size of engine but it’s actually really good.

 

Ive only done just over 500 miles, I’m getting approx 42mpg from it, but I haven’t done any town stop start stuff, it’s all been quiet country lanes and Dual carriageway.

 

 

Thanks, I could live with 42mpg

14 hours ago, Loofer said:

Also, I notice earlier petrol models were 1.4 and later ones 1.5.

aside from the extra 100cc across 4 chambers, was there any other material change in the engine, either in the block or other components or perhaps it was problematic (or not)?

Same block different head, most 1.5 versions fitted with ACT (Active Cylinder Technology) which disables 2 cylinders under light loads.

7 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

Same block different head, most 1.5 versions fitted with ACT (Active Cylinder Technology) which disables 2 cylinders under light loads.

Interesting, the odd few 1.4 I have seen advertised state ACT. I thought it was something to do with the transmission.🙈

 

is is there a thread on here purely looking at fuel economy for the different engines?

There is no capacity increase on the 1.5 vs. the 1.4. The combustion cycle has changed and with it brought a whole host of issues that Skoda and VAG are still trying to resolve. Most have been fixed with software updates but there is still a large proportion of 1.5 TSI engines out there that aren't right. Personally I'd buy new and hope they've prioritised fixing factory production and avoid used ones, or do as I did and buy a 1.4 TSI, a far better engine.

 

To make a non-SportLine look like a SportLine you'll need new front and rear bumpers (painted), new plastic panels for the lower doors (again painted), black window surrounds (no chrome), black mirror caps, black roof rails, black grill surround and a set of 19" Vega alloy wheels.

 

For 8,000 miles a year I'd avoid diesel, but as you like the torque of a diesel then I'd go for the 150PS and map it. The 190PS is rumoured to not be as smooth.

 

Your £16,000 budget really limits you. I'd be tempted to wait and save enough to get the car you really want.

@Loofer The last of the 1.4TSI's are issue free and there were issues with 1.5TSI's and the need for software updates and some unhappy owners that went as far as getting shot of their vehicles with 1.5TSI's.

There is a good search function on Briskoda. Maybe look in the Karoq section and the last 2 pages and you will see threads. 

6 minutes ago, Loofer said:

Is is there a thread on here purely looking at fuel economy for the different engines?

 

If fuel economy is anything more than a mild interest then avoid a 1.5 ton, flat fronted, jacked up 7 seat SUV.

 

Your annual mileage suggests most of your journey's are short and slow. Whichever engine you choose expect or budget for sub 40mpg.

@Loofer

No idea where you get the idea that a car with Haldex will go through rear tyres quicker.

They are mainly in front wheel drive and you can change tyre front to rear to get life out of them.

 

You will need to service the Haldex every 3 years or sooner though.

16 minutes ago, Roottoot said:

@Loofer

No idea where you get the idea that a car with Haldex will go through rear tyres quicker.

They are mainly in front wheel drive and you can change tyre front to rear to get life out of them.

 

You will need to service the Haldex every 3 years or sooner though.

Just for information my Haldex 4WD Superb Sportline with 235/40R19 Bridgestone tyres have just been taken off the car after 11,000 miles and as Root states due to it mainly running in Front wheel drive mode most of the time the front tyres have worn 3mm down to 5mm and the rear tyres have worn just 2mm down to 6mm in those miles and that is with a 7 speed DSG box and it weighs at least 1,627kg and has to cope with a stage 1 map giving 514nm of torque and 360bhp when required.

Edited 27 July, 20205 yr by shyVRS245
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20 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

There is no capacity increase on the 1.5 vs. the 1.4. The combustion cycle has changed and with it brought a whole host of issues that Skoda and VAG are still trying to resolve. Most have been fixed with software updates but there is still a large proportion of 1.5 TSI engines out there that aren't right. Personally I'd buy new and hope they've prioritised fixing factory production and avoid used ones, or do as I did and buy a 1.4 TSI, a far better engine.

 

To make a non-SportLine look like a SportLine you'll need new front and rear bumpers (painted), new plastic panels for the lower doors (again painted), black window surrounds (no chrome), black mirror caps, black roof rails, black grill surround and a set of 19" Vega alloy wheels.

 

For 8,000 miles a year I'd avoid diesel, but as you like the torque of a diesel then I'd go for the 150PS and map it. The 190PS is rumoured to not be as smooth.

 

Your £16,000 budget really limits you. I'd be tempted to wait and save enough to get the car you really want.

Thank you, helpful to know. I know those that had the 1.4 in the Octavia were really pleased with it.

4th kiddo on the way so that’s driven the hunt for a 7 seater. The Sport Line look would be more preferential rather than a dead certain. Probably end up costing same once you factor in parts, paint and fitting.

 

14 minutes ago, Roottoot said:

@Loofer

No idea where you get the idea that a car with Haldex will go through rear tyres quicker.

They are mainly in front wheel drive and you can change tyre front to rear to get life out of them.

 

You will need to service the Haldex every 3 years or sooner though.

 

6 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Just for information my Haldex 4WD Superb Sportline with 235/40R19 Bridgestone tyres have just been taken off the car after 11,000 miles and as Root states due to it mainly running in Front wheel mode most of the time the front tyres have worn 3mm down to 5mm and the rear tyre have worn just 2mm down to 6mm in those miles and that is with a 7 spped DSG box and it weighs at least 1,627kg and has to cope with a stage 1 map giving 514nm of torque and 360bhp when required.

Ah, was under impression it was permanent 4WD.

got to be marginally quicker going through rear tyres on that than a permanent FWD. Oh and the unnecessary weight. Been a few yea4s since we’ve seen proper winter so probably due one soon 😬

25 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

 

If fuel economy is anything more than a mild interest then avoid a 1.5 ton, flat fronted, jacked up 7 seat SUV.

 

Your annual mileage suggests most of your journey's are short and slow. Whichever engine you choose expect or budget for sub 40mpg.

I suppose if I’m at the early stages of considering which version then fuel economy might just swing it. 

Coming from a PHEV with fuel costs equivalent to ~1p/mile, you can see why 😅

Just now, Loofer said:

Ah, was under impression it was permanent 4WD.

VAG only fit permanent 4WD to vehicles that have a Torsen centre differential (e.g. Audi RS models) all the other VAG models have a Haldex centre clutch which means they are FWD except when the Haldex clutch engages.

3 year old ex lease cars and ones on Motability are getting handed back in numbers and going to auction now and in the next few months so cars going out of Manufacturers Warranty will be appearing in great numbers and dealers / traders will be keen to shift current stock and the new stock of 3 year old cars arriving.

@Loofer What PHEV have you?

 

The MPG with a Kodiaq might well be better than a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.

30 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

VAG only fit permanent 4WD to vehicles that have a Torsen centre differential (e.g. Audi RS models) all the other VAG models have a Haldex centre clutch which means they are FWD except when the Haldex clutch engages.

Haldex 5 which the Kodiaq uses is somewhat full time AWD now as it sends a small amount of power to the rear wheels all the time and so is never 100% FWD. 

30 minutes ago, Roottoot said:

@Loofer What PHEV have you?

 

The MPG with a Kodiaq might well be better than a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.

BMW 225XE.

 

the Outlander PHEV is only in 5 seat guise and I don’t think can be converted due to floor pan containing batteries etc.

the XC90 and Tesla S/X are out of my budget.

 

so I’m looking at regular 7 seaters and the bear took my fancy over some of the others.

44 minutes ago, Roottoot said:

3 year old ex lease cars and ones on Motability are getting handed back in numbers and going to auction now and in the next few months so cars going out of Manufacturers Warranty will be appearing in great numbers and dealers / traders will be keen to shift current stock and the new stock of 3 year old cars arriving.

That’s what I’m hoping too. This is one single example so I don’t have choice within my budget.

it was registered in August 2017 so coming up to 3 years. Given its over 100k miles, I don’t think I can get an extended warranty from Skoda?
 

Then there’s this low mileage example which is accident repaired.

so I fully expect that in my budget I’m not going to get best of the bunch.

Not sure what part of the UK you are situated but checking my local Skoda dealer, Marshalls Leicester brings just 2 Kodiaq 7 seaters which seem to have quite a premium over the cheaper 5 seaters.

£17,800 Sept 2017 2.0 TDi 150bhp 4 x 4 with 38,562 miles (0116) 231 7060.

£20,490 April 2017 1.4TSi 150bhp DSG with 21,520 miles number as above.

Think you are going to struggle with your £16,000 budget however.

@Loofer

Was your BMW not good for only 25 miles on electric?

 

If you were going a few hundred miles what miles to the litre of fuel do you actually get?

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Was it really equivalent to ~1 p / mile if going on a journey?

Edited 27 July, 20205 yr by Roottoot

Loofer, if you think you might need 4WD for winter weather, it's far better to have FWD with all-season tyres than 4WD with summer tyres (and you'll get a quieter, more compliant ride as a bonus).

Interesting to see the comments on tyre wear: my previous car, Golf Alltrack, had fairly even tyre wear F&R, fronts wearing only marginally quicker.

^^^ That is no surprise really as it will always depend on how a driver drives and maybe presses the accelerator and brakes be it FWD, RWD AWD or Part time AWD.

The Steering happens with the front wheels, the engine and gearbox in many cars are at the front as is the drivers, and the most braking happens at the front wheels.

AWD or Haldex and even tyre wear might be much to do with how that vehicle is driven if the tyres are never being changed front to rear.

16 minutes ago, Roottoot said:

@Loofer

Was your BMW not good for only 25 miles on electric?

 

If you were going a few hundred miles what miles to the litre of fuel do you actually get?

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Was it really equivalent to ~1 p / mile if going on a journey?

Less than 25 actually. 22 on a good day.

 

mostly short trips to school, shopping, parents etc and popping on charge.

rarely do much motorway mileage but then when I do it can be long journeys.

I put in 18 litres last week (because I’ve started driving to work again - 50 mile trip - but not every day).

the last time I put fuel in before then was in December (31 litres) and I’d done nearly 2300 miles in that period of 6 months using 31 litres and mostly electric.

 

car takes 7.5kWh (allowing for including any inefficiencies) and I tend to charge at less than 5p/kWh because of the tariff I’m on.

(I also have access to free charging which I regularly do 2-3 times a week but let’s not include that as it’s not permanent).

so 37.5p for a full charge. Divided by 20 miles gives me 1.9p/mile.

 

If factor in the regular free charging and the often sub 5p/kWh tariff and I’m nearly at 1p/mile.

 

if I do the work commute, OBC tells me my 50 mile round trip, mostly on motorway with 50-60 speed restrictions, is about 60-70mpg. Definitely not 1p/mmile there!