8 minutes ago, olderman1 said:

Just to affirm what longedge says, in the UK if side assist is switched off at the start of a journey, next time the ignition is switched off, side assist will revert to being on. This also works the same with other functions as well, as it did in my previous Kodiaq.

I've had experience with a previous Kia, that there are different settings within the ECU for different functions that are programmed in the factory for the part of the world that the car is going to. These can be changed by a dealer who has the correct equipment. That scenario makes me wonder if the way driver assist settings can be controlled differently in Australia than they way we're allowed to control them here in the UK. Each country has it's own legislation that has to be adhered to by car manufacturers, so maybe that legislation isn't as strict in OZ as it is here. Just a thought that might explain the differences that are being experienced.

Possibly but ours definitely stay the way they are set in the MMI as I found out when it was changed without my knowledge.

 

Traffic sign recognition is not enabled in ours either as our maps are different to yours and dont have all the required data in them. I have enabled it in the TIg but it is a bit unreliable near towns as roads have changed and speeds changed but the maps sometimes show the old limits from 10 years ago

 

Other things my be different as well as I bought a tray to go in the centre console box and its totally different yet is advertised for a 2021

I'll waste some more space with this pic of the console and the tray I bought.

I even had to buy the safety bolts for the wheels as not supplied.

 

Cheers

1 hour ago, Exkiwi said:

How do you switch it off because in both the VW and the Skoda if I untick it in the MMI settings it stays as its set or unset as the case maybe.

 

Also in your first experience what exactly did it do to scare you. Possibly it was set to "Early"and wheel to "Strong" as that will get your attention if you arent aware of it

 

I have  never EVER had it try to direct me off road into a ditch and find that hard to believe

To be clear, I am talking about lane assist. When I start my engine I have to select driver assistance in the central display then select the lane assist option (I don't switch off the front assist/braking as it's never bothered me) then switch lane assist off. I then return to the main menu. Lane assist is now deactivated for that journey. At the start of the next journey lane assist is active again.

 

The blame for my early experience lies to some extent with the salesman who did the handover. He didn't warn me that the car would occasionally try to steer itself. I was going home the pretty way on a long straight moorland lane just wide enough for two cars to pass. The road surface had no markings at all and has shallow ditches on both sides. I was driving normally and the car suddenly veered towards the nearside only by an inch or two but very little more and I would have ended in the ditch. Totally unexpected and without any valid reason whatsoever.

 

You may find it hard to believe, I am not in the habit of telling lies.

13 minutes ago, longedge said:

To be clear, I am talking about lane assist. When I start my engine I have to select driver assistance in the central display then select the lane assist option (I don't switch off the front assist/braking as it's never bothered me) then switch lane assist off. I then return to the main menu. Lane assist is now deactivated for that journey. At the start of the next journey lane assist is active again.

 

The blame for my early experience lies to some extent with the salesman who did the handover. He didn't warn me that the car would occasionally try to steer itself. I was going home the pretty way on a long straight moorland lane just wide enough for two cars to pass. The road surface had no markings at all and has shallow ditches on both sides. I was driving normally and the car suddenly veered towards the nearside only by an inch or two but very little more and I would have ended in the ditch. Totally unexpected and without any valid reason whatsoever.

 

You may find it hard to believe, I am not in the habit of telling lies.

Yes Im talking about LA as well as you can set it to intervene from early till late in the wander and the wheel vibration from almost none to quite hard. Havent had it do that on unmarked lanes and almost come to grief as I falsely relied on it to keep me straight  LOL

 

I will check in the Kamiq tomorrow but we never turn it off as its so inoffensive and my wife has a tendency to hug the left a bit so keeps her away from the edge..

So you have roads with ditches about 6 inches from the tarseal???  Geez.

Glad I live in the big brown land then.

We moan about our roads but even in the outback they arent as narrow as that except when a road train comes past wagging its third trailer at the oncoming traffic, as they are want to do at times

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So you have roads with ditches about 6 inches from the tarseal?

Gosh you have no idea, many of our country lanes are only the width of one vehicle and some started off as horse and cart tracks and were eventually upgraded to tarmac lanes.

Down here in the south west there is an area called the Somerset levels. Thousands of years ago this was covered by sea water, but now it's very low lying land used for peat digging and farming. Water collects easily in these areas, so many drainage channels (called rhynes) have been dug to take the water out to sea. If you make a mistake on the road running beside one of these and you drive into the rhyne, the car can get wedged between the banks and often the water is deep enough to flood the car and drown the occupants. This has happened more than once, very often when alcohol has been involved ?

So maybe now you can understand why we really don't want an invisible hand upsetting our driving on our narrow roads.

9 hours ago, olderman1 said:

Gosh you have no idea, many of our country lanes are only the width of one vehicle and some started off as horse and cart tracks and were eventually upgraded to tarmac lanes.

Down here in the south west there is an area called the Somerset levels. Thousands of years ago this was covered by sea water, but now it's very low lying land used for peat digging and farming. Water collects easily in these areas, so many drainage channels (called rhynes) have been dug to take the water out to sea. If you make a mistake on the road running beside one of these and you drive into the rhyne, the car can get wedged between the banks and often the water is deep enough to flood the car and drown the occupants. This has happened more than once, very often when alcohol has been involved ?

So maybe now you can understand why we really don't want an invisible hand upsetting our driving on our narrow roads.

So as lane assist doesnt cut in till 60kph (in our case)  do you drive along these lanes/roads???? at over 60kph  if they are so dangerous.  Do they have edge lines on them or not as if not LA wouldnt cut in at all would it????

7 hours ago, Exkiwi said:

Do they have edge lines on them or not as if not LA wouldnt cut in at all would it????

Yes it did and has done on more than one occasion in my case and that is my point, it makes totally incorrect decisions.

 

It is clear that you just want to argue.

 

Just one last try and then I'm done.

 

The lane I mentioned is dead straight for about 1.5 miles. It is a flat moorland area and there are no obstructions to vision. The tarmac surface is wide enough for two cars to pass easily without slowing down. There are absolutely no markings at all, NONE. The edge of the tarmac drops straight onto grass which slopes down into a shallow ditch. The construction of the road ensures firstly, efficient run off of water and secondly, being slightly elevated keeps the road above any standing water.  40 m.p.h. is a perfectly safe speed along this stretch of road especially as on the occasion I talked about there was no other vehicle anywhere in sight.

 

To have the car suddenly decide to pull to the nearside for no reason at all took me completely by surprise.

 

Over and out....

 

 

Edited 30 August, 20214 yr by longedge

1 hour ago, longedge said:

Yes it did and has done on more than one occasion in my case and that is my point, it makes totally incorrect decisions.

 

It is clear that you just want to argue.

 

Just one last try and then I'm done.

 

The lane I mentioned is dead straight for about 1.5 miles. It is a flat moorland area and there are no obstructions to vision. The tarmac surface is wide enough for two cars to pass easily without slowing down. There are absolutely no markings at all, NONE. The edge of the tarmac drops straight onto grass which slopes down into a shallow ditch. The construction of the road ensures firstly, efficient run off of water and secondly, being slightly elevated keeps the road above any standing water.  40 m.p.h. is a perfectly safe speed along this stretch of road especially as on the occasion I talked about there was no other vehicle anywhere in sight.

 

To have the car suddenly decide to pull to the nearside for no reason at all took me completely by surprise.

 

Over and out....

 

 

Thanks for that     Clarity of what happened enables others to know what to look out for in similar situations.  Wasnt trying to argue,  just understand  the full details of how it happened. Luckily we dont have any roads like that in our area.

 

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So as lane assist doesnt cut in till 60kph (in our case)  do you drive along these lanes/roads???? at over 60kph  if they are so dangerous

Personally I don't, having been in an accident many years ago on such a road. I was just trying to give you an extreme example of some of the roads we have to use over here. Of course, we have motorways, dual carriageways and more normal two lane roads as well. Many roads don't have edge markings though.

Even though I've only had this car with LA for a short while, so I have minimal experience  of LA working, on a personal level I find it intrusive, mostly unnecessary and possibly dangerous in situations where the wheel attempts to unexpectedly tug the car in a direction the driver wasn't intending to go. Driver overreaction to this phenomena could possibly cause an accident. Whilst I think it might be useful on a long, tedious motorway journey, where tiredness can creep in, I have so far turned it off at the start of every journey.

As a driver of all sorts of vehicles for 54 years, inc HGVs and motorcycles, I like to be in control and if I get to a stage in my life where I'm unable to to control a vehicle without these electronic aids, I'll stop driving.

Drivers are getting dumbed down and are becoming reliant on all of this electrotrickery, thereby robbing them of the skills that older drivers had to have. Also, all of the toys and gadgets that are fitted into cars nowadays are diverting a drivers attention away from what they should be concentrating on i.e. piloting their car from A to B in a safe and proper manner and  treating other road users in a seemly manner.

 

As an aside and slightly off topic, front assist is also dangerous in some situations and there's already been many accounts of  cars braking sharply autonomously for no good reason, which could easily have caused a rear end shunt had a car behind been following too closely.

There are plenty single lane roads in Scotland without markings and where the asphalt is not edged and goes to drop offs, to gravel or ditches and Lane Keep assist is not steering cars off the road into the countryside or ditches.  If set to give a warning light on the dash or a feeling through the steering wheel then that is all you get.   If the car is picking up on the line the people tarring the road had to your right and putting the car off the road to the left then owners should be contacting the DfT, VOSA and the Motoring Media. Maybe their MP and Grant Shapps before the UK Government introduce the EU,s latest legislation to the UK.      PS hundreds or even thousands on the forum ?  Who has so far been hit up the rear because their vehicle did Automatic Braking.  Plenty have commented on near things.  Drivers behind need to be ready for the car in fronts bonnet flying open or maybe something dropping out of the sky onto the road.  Dangers are everyplace when you drive a vehicle.    Crisp packets should be outlawed. 

Edited 30 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

1 hour ago, olderman1 said:

Personally I don't, having been in an accident many years ago on such a road. I was just trying to give you an extreme example of some of the roads we have to use over here. Of course, we have motorways, dual carriageways and more normal two lane roads as well. Many roads don't have edge markings though.

Even though I've only had this car with LA for a short while, so I have minimal experience  of LA working, on a personal level I find it intrusive, mostly unnecessary and possibly dangerous in situations where the wheel attempts to unexpectedly tug the car in a direction the driver wasn't intending to go. Driver overreaction to this phenomena could possibly cause an accident. Whilst I think it might be useful on a long, tedious motorway journey, where tiredness can creep in, I have so far turned it off at the start of every journey.

As a driver of all sorts of vehicles for 54 years, inc HGVs and motorcycles, I like to be in control and if I get to a stage in my life where I'm unable to to control a vehicle without these electronic aids, I'll stop driving.

Drivers are getting dumbed down and are becoming reliant on all of this electrotrickery, thereby robbing them of the skills that older drivers had to have. Also, all of the toys and gadgets that are fitted into cars nowadays are diverting a drivers attention away from what they should be concentrating on i.e. piloting their car from A to B in a safe and proper manner and  treating other road users in a seemly manner.

 

As an aside and slightly off topic, front assist is also dangerous in some situations and there's already been many accounts of  cars braking sharply autonomously for no good reason, which could easily have caused a rear end shunt had a car behind been following too closely.

As I have already said, what settings have you got applied. In the Tiguan which I mainly drive it gives a gentle nudge if I wander and then if I dont let it correct I have it set to shake the steering wheel to wake me up a bit.

 

The settings are LA,  LATE  to give me a bit of wriggle room, Wheel  response,  High as the TIG doesnt shake the wheel very hard. These settings mean it only does it occasionally as I have the car set up fairly well.

I can honestly say that neither car TUGS the wheel and if it does you have drifted too far quickly or forgot to indicate when turning. Then it will put up a bit of resistance

So despite our many years of driving we almost all think we are better at it than we really are.

 

Personally i welcome the aids which allow me to concentrate full time on drivin g the thing an watching down the road to anticipate any problems, as so many only drive as far as the front of their bonnet or turn to look at passengers when they talk to them. I have friend who even turns to look at rear seat people when driving a 100kph. I wont ride with him any more.

 

In the Kamiq LA is set to medium as wife wanders a bit and wheel response is set to medium as its more pronounced than the Tig. I have been driving for 65  1/2 years and can honestly say that I really like the driving aids in the two cars.

I look at them as AIDS and anything to make a somewhat tedious job easier is a good thing.

When I first bought my Passat in 2011, in  the first week i had it Front Assist  saved me from myself and a nasty crash. I was in an area with double white centre lines ( illegal to cross them)  and was fiddling with my new MMI when suddenly the car hit the picks and stopped dead. I looked up and there was a stupid woman doing a U turn right in front of me across the lines.  Had I not had it she could have been killed as her drivers door was dead in front of me. Ever since than I have had great respect for the technology.  Wouldnt be without ACC on a trip on the highway and the light technology in both cars is awesome..  In AUS if a car runs up your rear 100% of the time they are at fault   regardless of what happened and get a ticket for failing to keep a clear distance.

My first motorised vehicle was a pushbike with a Cyclemaster motor in the back wheel ( remember them in the 50's)  Biggest vehicle a Leyland Beaver???? twinsteer with a triple axle trailer.that we used to drive on a single lane gravel road 79 miles of it once a week for several years.

Edited 30 August, 20214 yr by Exkiwi

37 minutes ago, Exkiwi said:

So despite our many years of driving we almost all think we are better at it than we really are.

Many a true word; you've given several instances of you making driving errors, and apparently can't see how you forced Front Assist to save you (and someone else) from yourself.

There is a great place to try out Lane Keep Assist or Automated Driving if activated in something like a Tesla.

 

Manufacturers should go there to try out their systems.  The road to and near Whitelee Wind Farm. B764.

 

6 minute 47 seconds as you cross the regions boundary is a cracker. 

 

 

She is driving there in this vid.

Maybe she put Lane Keep Assist off  @ 50 seconds & again 2 minute.

 

 

Edited 30 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

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 fronts bonnet flying open or maybe something dropping out of the sky onto the road

Our other car has assistance for both of those things and I don't like those either as they're always going off when there isn't a car bonnet or meteorite anywhere in sight !!

 

I got involved in this thread because there appeared to be a discrepancy between how assist aids are programmed in the UK and Australia, so there were cross purposes going on.

Beyond that, this is a Skoda Kamiq forum and as an owner, that's the car I'm here to talk about. I really don't care how similar assists work in other makes and models.

We don't know how many, if any, accidents have been or will be caused by the interference of these assist aids and probably never will. How many modern Skoda owners are members of this forum ?

Regardless of how dangerous or not these assist aids are, the general theme here appears to be that the majority don't like them. I'm generally in that camp, but freely admit that they can save lives and accidents.

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In the Kamiq LA is set to medium 

There is no such setting in my Kamiq. As already stated, The LA is either on or off and if switched off it will revert to ON when the ignition is turned off. The only other setting is steering wheel shake which I haven't tried yet. There are definitely  no intermediate settings for the amount of violence that LA gives you.

2 hours ago, KenONeill said:

Many a true word; you've given several instances of you making driving errors, and apparently can't see how you forced Front Assist to save you (and someone else) from yourself.

I most certainly know where I went wrong and I havent repeated it. i only glanced away for a moment and in that moment the woman pulled out in front of me and probably the car reacted faster than I could have if i had been doing the correct thing and watching the road.

Everyone including you and I , are not perfect and I gladly had the AID turned on.

 

Incidentally I wasnt in the wrong at the time. Other car was sitting parked on side of the road  and suddenly did a U turn right in front of me. So it saved ME From THEM as i see it. I would have been judged to be not at fault had we hit.

I saw it there and falsely thought no one was stupid enough to do a U turn at that place on the road.  I was incorrect as it turned out.

Edited 30 August, 20214 yr by Exkiwi

In the UK it is well past time that those that last sat a UK Driving Test over 40 years ago were required to sit another.  

Theory & an actual test, 6 months notice before taking it to get to know their highway code and maybe get some professional instruction. 

 

Job Creation Scheme...

 

Then it is time that all MP's that have not got an HGV Driving Licence or that have not passed one in the last 20 years should be required to sit one at their own expense.

Then they might know what they are talking about with the shortage of HGV drivers and how those losing jobs can get trained to be drivers.

They might also then rethink legalising Electric Stand on Scooters.

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In the UK it is well past time that those that last sat a UK Driving Test over 40 years ago were required to sit another.  

Theory & an actual test, 6 months notice before taking it to get to know their highway code and maybe get some professional instruction.

Have you been on the amber nectar already ? The younger generation cause more accidents than any other group, as borne out by insurance company statistics and the prices they charge young drivers.

Whilst younger drivers might be more au fait with the highway code than older drivers, most of them are too arrogant and in too much of a hurry to take any notice of it. Whilst I'm a long way from suggesting that all older drivers are better drivers than younger ones, they do have a wealth more experience on the roads than the younger generation.

The Young have accidents that might involve others.  We did did we not, or maybe you never.

 

Plenty older drivers just cause accidents, or frustrate others, plenty wandering out of lane etc and generally can not get their head around modern tech. 

 

*Maybe older drivers just have smaller accidents and offer to pay without putting it through the insurance and claims are not made and not wanting Insurance hassles people agree.*

That could be Real World.

Statistics are just that, compiled from statistics by statisticians'

 

No harm then charging £50 for a driver having to have a 30 minute drive with an Examiner next to them. That could be a £50 extra discount from insurers if you pass.  They can charge more if a driver fails and needs a retest.

 

Using the facilities where there were drive in vaccinations would have been a good time while there was all those volunteers and military hanging about and slack times.

The simplest things are the best. 

 Set up roadside stops for vehicle checks, breath test and drugs wipes for all,

ask the driver when they passed their test and an examiner can ask if they want 

to have a wee jaunt then or put it off for up to 6 months until the jam up on the Highway Code.

Edited 30 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

This thread is going off topic; even so I have comments.

 

Am I ok as I passed my test nearly 51 years ago.

 

My father took his test in his 40s, so if the system above was in place, 40 years after his test he would be in his 80s. It is a fallacy to depend on how long a person has had a licence, age may be a limiting factor. But I don't agree with retesting on age basis either.

 

FYI I took a PCV test just over 3 years ago, got a CPC and now I can drive preserved buses with over 70 people on it. 

My father never had to take a test as he was born in 1923 and it was not necessary, there was a war..

My mum never let him forget it and that she did pass a test.  She is 96 now and was driving up to about 7 years ago.  Never had an accident that she thought was her fault...

Edited 30 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

I've not got lane assist, but this one flashes up now and then, including when going round a bend when a central refuge with a bollard triggered it.

I've never had the system apply the brakes, but the warning flashing up is distracting at a time when attention needs to be firmly on the road.

At least it doesn't yank the wheel.

15 minutes ago, EnterName said:

I've not got lane assist, but this one flashes up now and then, including when going round a bend when a central refuge with a bollard triggered it.

I've never had the system apply the brakes, but the warning flashing up is distracting at a time when attention needs to be firmly on the road.

At least it doesn't yank the wheel.

That is front assist you can set the sensitivity in settings set it to late. Lane assist does not yank the steering wheel  it gradually turns and you can stop it by holding it 

 

7 minutes ago, skoda1982 said:

That is front assist you can set the sensitivity in settings set it to late. Lane assist does not yank the steering wheel  it gradually turns and you can stop it by holding it 

 

I will go and check this right now. Thanks!

... and it was set to "Early".

I've dropped it down to "Medium" and I'll see how I get on with it.

Edited 31 August, 20214 yr by EnterName
Went to look at car setting and reported back

Hi Everyone,

 

I wanted to let you all know I have found a way to fully disable or “remember” the last letting for lane assist.

it requires coding to the BCM with VCDS. I have a fully licensed HEX-NET Interface from RossTech for this.

 

I’m based in Fleet, Hampshire (www.fitmydashcam.co.uk) if anyone nearby wants this option changed on their Kamiq.

I’ve personally used it myself for over a month now, and it remembers to stay off, but can always be re-enabled via the MFD with the steering wheel controls.

I’m no longer pulled into parked cars when overtaking or steered into a pothole because I’m moving within my lane to avoid it!