Not sure my advanced courses, including blue light training, were lacking. Fact is you should always be aware of other vehicles around you, indicating doesn't exempt you from checking that it's safe to change lanes.

9 hours ago, J.R. said:

I dont have X ray vision that can see through the car I have overtaken any more than the impatient driver of the Audi undertaking it has to see me. I am also blind in the left eye but that is of no relevance. I only ever pull across when it is clear to do so but when Mr Audi swoops up in an undertaking manouvre it will not remain clear.

 

You are incorrect in your opinionated assumptions regarding advanced driver training, I make no assumptions about whether you have had any but if so then they must have been lacking when it came to the use of indicators, but hey! What do I know, I'm a bad driver, I read it on a forum.

Incidentally I didn't mean to imply you were a bad driver. Every one is capable of improvement though. Even the Chief Instructor when I was teaching blue light driving made the occasional mistake, and his driving was exemplary.

Those Traffic Police Officer Drivers that do not indicate might be doing as trained, the local to me Police drivers in town are just poor drivers.

Maybe the Officers out changing lanes might like the little 'tug' they get or maybe they will have the Lane Keep Assist disabled on their Police cars including EV's now.

Police Motorcyclists are pretty much the same when lane changing, nobodies business what they do.  They are clearly marked and you should be paying attention and expect the unexpected from them. 

26 minutes ago, toot said:

you should be paying attention and expect the unexpected from them.

The last time an emergency service driver did something I did not expect I was still a learner, say 40 years ago. I was on a roundabout and concentrating on the roundabout and my exit. I was passing an intermediate road between my entry and exit when he activated his two tones, whilst further from the roundabout than I could have looked. If he'd left it even another second I would have realised more easily where he was, and that I could clear the roundabout onto dual carriageway, and do a deviation there if required (he was actually crossing the roundabout between different roads than the ones I needed).

@KenONeill We are still all learners, every day is a school day.

 

You might not see this since i am on your ignore list, but have you driven a car yet with Lane Keep Assist? 

16 hours ago, sussamb said:

You probably haven't undertaken any form of advanced driver training. There shouldn't be a driver you haven't seen. In the case you mention a shoulder check before you change lanes would confirm whether it's clear to move across or not.

In a perfect world yes, but we are only human and even the most experienced and trained person can miss something.

 

Also a 'form of advanced driver training' doesnt automatically make you a good driver - same way having a certificate saying youre a plumber doesnt automatically make you a good plumber. 

20 hours ago, ApertureS said:

Got any proof of this - or just something said to scare people?

Toots post further up the page 

2 minutes ago, skoda1982 said:

Toots post further up the page 

Which part of that specifically prohibits it?

 

Because saying if you change/mess with something it is excluded from the warranty is common practice and completely fair. But you are saying it voids your entire warranty? Which i cant see anywhere. 

I asked what it was that @skoda1982could see because i wanted to know if it was something do do with changing the coding from what the car has from leaving the factory.

 

Do they think it is Non Factory Approved Software, or Hardware?

 

Is it like when a Dealership can not resolve a stop / start fault or some other issue so they disable it until a fix comes from the factory which is supposedly being worked on?

 

Edited 4 February, 20233 yr by toot

Fine for motorways but not required in urban areas doing 40mph. 

On 04/02/2023 at 08:57, toot said:

Those Traffic Police Officer Drivers that do not indicate might be doing as trained, the local to me Police drivers in town are just poor drivers.

Maybe the Officers out changing lanes might like the little 'tug' they get or maybe they will have the Lane Keep Assist disabled on their Police cars including EV's now.

Police Motorcyclists are pretty much the same when lane changing, nobodies business what they do.  They are clearly marked and you should be paying attention and expect the unexpected from them. 

I am in the London Fire Brigade and I can categorically tell you that our EFAD driver training ( Emergency Fire Advanced Driving) follows the same driver training as the Police, called Roadcraft.  At no point in my training a few years ago was I advised or encouraged NOT to indicate.  So, if you see a police car on blues not indicating then bottom line is that driver is a d*ckhead.

 

Some might think I’m being harsh, but you wouldn’t if that police car caused a major accident just because he/she couldn’t be bothered to Indicate.

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by carefree

That's strange because I taught blue light driving and our Police Chief Instructor used to make tick tock tick tock noises when he thought someone was indicating when it wasn't necessary.

I have see them often over the years and still do and they are Marked and unmarked with no blue lights and sirens getting on up the A9, the A90, & various roads in Scotland without sirens and that is under instruction or on duty.

Owning the road and just getting where they want to be. 

Some of the muppets crash and involve no others luckily.   As they might say, indications are a courtesy.   Flashing you with headlights as they want you out of the way as they proceed in stealth mode to get up on someone is common. 

 

Royal Protection around Royal Deeside out with which ever prince or the princes mother in their Audi's were a sight to behold going over to Grantown on Spey and around there. 

 

Obviously there are Exemptions and no prosecution of drivers training and exceeding the speed limit, bit in Scotland as elsewhere there are those that do get fixed penalties where it turns out there was no training or emergency they were going to. 

http://pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/scotland/442668/police-officer-caught-driving-at-136mph-on-a9

 

 

http://heraldscotland.com/default_content/12389823.policewoman-airlifted-crash

 

 

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by toot

Just imparting my experience, at no point was I/we told NOT to indicate, and we had the same driver training as the Met.

A handy quick small car for in the city.

 

 

For any newbies looking at the title/content of this thread, lane assist is definitely NOT dangerous.  
 

Im really not sure where the OP is coming from on this.  It’s a safety measure which is standard on all new cars these days not just Skoda.   To call it dangerous is both confusing and hilarious 😆.  
 

At the very worst its a slight inconvenience which you can turn off anyway, so not worthy of a thread imho.

Not dangerous but definitely a pain in the butt, simple enough as mentioned to turn off but just wish these so called driver aids could be permanently disabled

Slightly off topic but does anyone know if the Lane Assist / Driver Assist system needs re-callibrating (ADAS) following wheel alignment adjustments? 

 

I stupidly recently hit a curb in my 2022 Kamiq SE 110 at about 20mph while trying to avoid a large Pothole and am considering taking it in somewhere to have it checked (although am reluctant to do so as in my experience most places muck it up, leaving a steering wheel off centre etc). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 05/10/2021 at 13:32, J.R. said:

 

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Edited 5 April, 20233 yr by MichaelTL

On 05/10/2021 at 13:32, J.R. said:

 

Eventually with maturity you will start to question whether what you have been doing because you were taught to do so is actually relevant, correct or appropriate. I live in a country where this never happens 99% of the time thanks to the education system and I face the results every single day, if you ask someone why they do something like leave the left indicator on when in the 3rd lane of a motorway, driving on the bumper of the car in font etc they always respond "on m'a dit" if you labour the point and say "but why? for what purpose?" which is culturally unacceptable they get very uncomfortable and have no response, they genuinely don't know why.

 

Nobody can say with 100% certainty that there is not another road user or pedestrian around who would benefit from your signalling your intention to manouevre although when I was younger I would 100% have believed that I did, it does no harm to signal a change of lane direction etc systematically and may save a life.

 

I don't buy the statement that its an indication of not being aware of the surroundings, if there is nobody there the its an indication to who?

I love France but the driving is very challenging. People so often seem to drive having no anticipation of what might occur. It's as if they just fail to think though I realise they have no monopoly here. Tailgating on the motorway is even worse than the UK. They want to push other drivers out of the way and at 130 plus kph it's no joke. I hope tailgating cameras are rolled out in sufficient numbers to force a change in behaviour. It's all so strange in a country where people otherwise know how to relax ie at lunchtime.

 

Edited 5 April, 20233 yr by MichaelTL
Not finding the quote function very easy to use!

@MichaelTLit's fairly intuitive.

Click on the [+] quote button to quote what the last person posted (though sometimes you don't always capture what the last post was itself quoting.)

Or simply right click and drag across the text you want to quote, and when you lift the mouse button you'll see a little "Quote selection" prompt appear. Click on that and you'll quote it.

Simple, eh?

4 hours ago, MichaelTL said:

Not finding the quote function very easy to use!

 

Tailgaters I brake test systematically, not just a little dab but a full on stomp on the pedal, in the Nord the reaction was complete shock and often fear, they would hold right back or even stop, never an escalation as I would be prepared for in the UK.

 

Now in the Sud Ouest a considerable number do become visually aggressive but in France it's only ever hot air, tailgating is far worse here than in the Nord not that I would have believed it possible!

 

The other danger is the exaggerated "swoop" when they overtake, they change lanes so vigourously that many lose control in doing so, I have witnessed several from in front and behind, also by tailgating they cannot see the road ahead which means they either continue to do so when there is ample opportunity to overtake or they swoop out into the path of an unseen oncoming vehicle, I was the victim on the recieving end of this once, a long line of cars coming in the other direction when the second car back swooped out like a Scalextric car in a cross over chicane directly in front of me, luckily I had a lightning fast reaction and did the same onto the grass verge, he did nothing but if he did steer back after having unsettled the car so much it would have probably rolled.

 

On a daily basis I see cars on their rooves in fields a long way from the road, always on long straight stretches, never ever another damaged vehicle or any skid marks.

Brake checking is not only dangerous but illegal, you're lucky you haven't (yet) been rear ended or caused an accident and faced charges, which could be as high as causing death by dangerous driving. Only an idiot brake checks someone.

That will be me then, thanks so much for pointing out the error of my ways, I have been blissfully unaware of my idiocy all these years but no longer thanks to your kind words.

 

I will leave you in bliss regarding your own failing.

Well having picked body parts off the road numerous times in the past thanks to someone's idiotic behaviour you'll have to forgive me for pointing out your error.