@mark999  You are just the person we need, so do not be shy and spill the beans.

 

So unless you are bound by Commercial or Industrial Confidentiality you can tell us what Fuel Retailer has the additive package and detergents we want to be buying, 

be that just standard Derv or Premium Diesel.

 

We know what the Standard Diesels are, and we know the Premium Diesels so is Shell V-Power better than ESSO's or BP's premium?

 

Then the big question, what diesel from what retailer do you run in your own vehicles when paying with your own money?

 

Australia is obviously not in Europe and has different specifications for many things like fuel, and vehicles engine management, 

but they do have a haulage transport industry and vehicles doing very long distances as do International Truckers from the UK / Europe.

The haulage industry do like to get the bet value from their fuel / fluids and vehicles / engines.

So do courier companies and fleets.  The accountants know which fuel they want to be buying / paying for.

 

 

 

 

Edited 7 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

All the major retailers use good quality additives in all their fuels. The super fuels have either a bigger dose or an even better formulation.

It’s hard to give a definitive answer as to which brand is best as formulations do change as technology moves on. 
At the moment I’m using V-power diesel in the Octavia and V-power super unleaded in the Fpace, I have used BP fuels in the past.

On occasion I have been known to Tesco Momentum - this is supplied but Greenenergy and has a decent additive package. IIRC independent testing showed slightly less cleaning than V-power, but slightly more power (on cars that can adjust ignition timing)

Hope this helps.

Mark.

 

Greenergy that bring in the base fuels with their partner Royal Dutch Shell and who supply to ESSO in a lots of the UK.

Tesco Momentum 99.  Esso Synergy Supreme 99 + & Shell V-Power Nitro + which is 99 octane minimum.

 

Esso says  Ethanol Free in some of the UK locations.  

 

*** I want the ethanol and could not care less about the detergents, which is why Tesco Momentum 99 can be lovely stuff with a min 99 ron, and at this time of the year what you get in Scotland can feel just like Winter Super Unleaded from Continental Europe at 100+ ron.***

Seat of the pants or Dynamic Dyno feeling, Dyno being best to get the scores on the doors.

 

Truth being none are selling you any better a Additive Package than the other. 

 Put them on a Dyno, and strip engines all you like but Royal Dutch Shell is not selling anything special.

 

Edited 7 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Here is Tesco's results from their tests they commissioned in 2012 .   All about  fuel consumption and lower emissions really, which does get achieved with more efficient running which usually means better performance, be that lower consumption or better power output.

 

Maybe other Fuel Wholesalers and Retailers should make public test their results.   Tesco no longer do, but here they are anyway.

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Edited 7 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

On 25/11/2020 at 20:57, e-Roottoot said:

@Camlobe

With your theory more than half the vehicles in the UK must be running the possible not so good quantity fuel, the thing is that is not the case really as 'less expensive fuel' is not like Own Brand Beans or Digestive Biscuits.

There are no special additive packages in standard diesel or 95 unleaded in the UK from BP, Shell, Esso, Texaco etc over that from Morrison, Tesco, Asda,Sainsbury's, Costco etc.

...but there is no regulation about 'detergents' in fuel, and detergents are added at the last stage by the Tanker driver.

 

Also, the profit margin on fuel is, on average for the UK, five pence. The cost of the additive package is about five pence, too, so you can see the temptation to cut back the quantity.

 

If I was a Supermarket or other seller who wasn't going to lose business by having an ok, rather than good package, I'd feel the temptation. Tell me you wouldn't!

 

Incidentally, I always lose mpg if I give the car a splash of Asda fuel (so I don't anymore), although it is probably 'cost neutral' with the loss of mpg balancing the low cost, but I just don't like the idea. But that is a seller who has, at least  on average, a lower quality fuel in my use case (both Petrol and Diesel, for a previous car).

Sorry, I take on board your comment about Tesco - the only two supermarket fuels I'll use are the odd splash of either Tesco or Sainsburys higher octane stuff, but that's in with a diet mainly of Esso or Shell (when I go passed a Major that is close to a Supermarket price.)

 

At first, it seems a little surprising that the Tesco lower octane stuff outperforms (in emissions/economy, not power), but maybe they have added more of their octane-boosting additive (alcohol?) to their more expensive blend.

 

There are a few caveats; the actual test runs aren't long enough to show anything other than really gross carbon deposits , while they have a conditioning phase, they don't say what fuel was used in each case and these are results on 2012 fuel.

 

You've probably provoked me to try the Tesco lower octane stuff, but who knows how long an experiment that needs.

 

Still not trying the Asda stuff, though.

@Camlobe

What engine has the car you are talking about that loses mpg when you give the car a splash of Asda fuel? 

 Is this Asda 95 ron Unleaded you are talking about, and instead you buy Esso or Shell 95 ron that gives better economy.

 

Now where do ASDA manage to purchase that inferior Unleaded 95 ron , or even the diesel they sell?

http://petrolprices.com/news/supermarket-fuel-actually-worse-branded-fuel

 

 

 

Edited 21 January, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

4 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

@Camlobe

What engine has the car you are talking about that loses mpg when you give the car a splash of Asda fuel? 

 Is this Asda 95 ron Unleaded you are talking about, and instead you buy Esso or Shell 95 ron that gives better economy.

 

Now where do ASDA manage to purchase that inferior Unleaded 95 ron , or even the diesel they sell?

http://petrolprices.com/news/supermarket-fuel-actually-worse-branded-fuel

 

 

 

 

For the engine, you've got a choice of a Ford Duratec V6, a Ford 2.0 Litre Diesel and a 122 bhp 1.4 litre VAG petrol (only once, I think, but I can't be totally sure of that).

 

It is really odd that they all seemed to lose about 1-2 mpg, given that they are all such different engines.

 

In that case, and slightly on topic, RedEx doesn't to do anything to make the situation better. 

 

Back off topic, up until recently, my local Esso has been slightly cheaper than the Tesco within a few hundred yards, and now the prices of both have gone up, and the Esso is, I think, 0.1 P more expensive than the Tesco. I didn't expect to see the Esso as the cheaper of the two, but it had been that way for 6 months plus.

 

I've only tried Asda's fuel a few times, but every time I had the same experience

Edited 21 January, 20215 yr by Camlobe
singular - plural confusion

I've used a mix of premium and cheap fuels on my 1.4 TSI. Haven't noticed a single difference so I just go for the cheapest I can find at the time (I have an app).

 

I also use the E10 fuel since this also doesn't seem to make a difference compared to E5.