I always thought a NIP had to be issued within approx 2-3 weeks. My son has just had a NIP 36 in a 30 from a hand held device in W Yorkshire in late August. The car us registered to him at his address so I don't know why ut took so long, unless it's a COVID thing. He says the CPS now have a lot longer. When did this change? 

I have not seen anything about a change in the 14 day period in England / Wales or Scotland since April 2020, and that includes NIP's for breaking Lockdown laws / regulations.

But,

The DVLA were MIA and weeks behind on many things, so that will be that....  Any court is likely to say, do the crime so pay the fine.

 

Awareness courses were Cancelled because of Covid.

 

Edited 27 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

I had a NIP sent to my place of work ( depot) because the vehicle was registered to the company in another city and as I only went there occasionally someone let me know there was a letter for me (six weeks later) so I was unable to reply to the fine with in 28 days or go on a driver awareness course so just ignored it...................that was over 20 years ago but in the poster situation go for the drivers awareness course IF available in that area.

6 hours ago, Sad555 said:

I had a NIP sent to my place of work ( depot) because the vehicle was registered to the company in another city

 

our pool fleet is worse...

 

any speeding fines are sent to the lease company as the registered owner, who then forward to our fleet management dept who eventually send them to the relevent department's regional manager whose name is listed against the vehicle, who then has to ask everyone with access to the vehicle who was driving at the time and location of the offence for the lease company to be informed, via our fleet manager, so they can get the issuing authority to redirect it to the offender...

The law is the law & it got David Beckham off of a prosecution,  that and the solicitor.  He had not the golden balls to just accept that he had been speeding.   But then neither would i if i did not have to!   My NIP's have arrived in time, by post or delivered by a police officer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45668735

 

 

 

Edited 28 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

I've had 2 NIPs (one in 2003 and one in 2008) both of which arrived in time so I had to just accept the punishment.

 

First one was 3 points and a fine PLUS a speeding awareness course (I was in potential 6 point territory), the second was just 3 points and a fine.

Has there been any update on this @Redboy?

6 hours ago, john999boy said:

Has there been any update on this @Redboy?

Not yet John999boy. My son said he’d respond this month. His reasoning is that  he may get a Speed Awareness Course vice points as then, the gap between his 1st SAC and the response, rather than actual committing of offence, will be then be 2 years. I like his cheek but fear that even the dimmest PC will be able to suss out his ruse and expect him to get 3 points accompanied by the resultant insurance premium increase The one plus point is that it will slow him up. It’s all my fault that he’s car mad. 

1 hour ago, Redboy said:

and expect him to get 3 points accompanied by the resultant insurance premium increase 

Over the years I've had 3 points a couple of times, and never had a premium increase - both times my premium went DOWN at the next renewal?

Lucky you, I was obviously with the wrong company when I got 3 points 20 years ago. 

Some brokers / insurers charge you just for changes in your policy for letting them know you have a conviction, and soe will charge for changing each policy you have.

Some say tell us when you renew the policy.

Some even load each policy you have when a new speeding offence is on your licence.

 

I have never yet had a speeding offence that did not then cause an increases in a policy or each of the policies i had.

That seems to me against natural justice.    

You have one vehicle and you get points and fine and an increase in insurance cost.

You have several vehicles, you only use one at any one time, you get points, a fine and insurers think you are the goose that lays the golden egg and they take the Mick.

2 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

Some brokers / insurers charge you just for changes in your policy for letting them know you have a conviction, and soe will charge for changing each policy you have.

Some say tell us when you renew the policy.

Some even load each policy you have when a new speeding offence is on your licence.

 

I have never yet had a speeding offence that did not then cause an increases in a policy or each of the policies i had.

That seems to me against natural justice.    

You have one vehicle and you get points and fine and an increase in insurance cost.

You have several vehicles, you only use one at any one time, you get points, a fine and insurers think you are the goose that lays the golden egg and they take the Mick.

I think you miss the point:

Insurance is all about `risk`.

You, as a `speeder` is a higher risk and therefore you pay more.

End of...

 

@mandp  Maybe you miss the point.

I understand perfectly.

If you have more vehicles than another speeder you pay more again and again and again.

Not because the Law / Courts deem you should, just because the Insurers can take more cash / money from you.

 

Next door neighbours driving identical cars, clean licences are caught speeding.

Both get 3 points and £100 fine for speeding and one has 1 car in their name and 1 insurance policy and their insurance is loaded, 

the other has the car, a works van, a motor home and a classic car and all the policies or some of them are then loaded by their insurers.

Edited 14 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

3 hours ago, mandp said:

I think you miss the point:

Insurance is all about `risk`.

You, as a `speeder` is a higher risk and therefore you pay more.

End of...

I agree to an extent. There's difference to my mind, between classifying a risk as an inattentive/distracted driver caught doing 33 in a 30 and a deliberste white knuckle chase overtaking on double white lines at 95 on A roads. By the same token my last wife had multiple low speed careless crashes, including tearing the back door off my 6 week old pride and joy, yet when we separated (not because of the crashes! ) my premiums went up , because I wasn't married on a joint policy... I did try explaining but was ignored as single men are a higher risk. I tried explaining that they'd now be paying out less money on crash damage, to no avail. Bonkers ! 

On 13/12/2020 at 00:05, john999boy said:

Has there been any update on this @Redboy?

Got told by my son today, as I thought, if it had been a few weeks later he’d have got a SAC, not too bad though, £100 & 3 points for 36 in a 30 Very lucky not to have been fined 1 week’s gross wages. Advised that his insurance will be £40-50 more. 

A different country and a different approach.

 

I recieved a PV (procès verbal = fine) recently more than 3 months after the offence, looking through all the law texts it seems that they have a delai of 7-14 days to send them out so mine was largely outside of that but then when you dig deeper you see that they are still legal even if sent out 2 years after the alleged offence so why they bother speaking of delai's is a mystery.

 

On the positive side my punishment for being flashed by a speed camera at 89km/h in an 80km/h limit (which would have been 90km/h a year ago) was only €45 and one penalty point removed from the 12 that the French license that I dont even have comes pre-loaded with, if I remain a good boy for 6 months it will be automatically deleted.

 

Even if I were down to the last 1 or 2 points (like having 11 or 12 on a UK license) there would be zero affect on my car insurance premium, there are also speed awareness courses (paid) to get the points back, if you do lose your license which drinking aside is pretty hard to do then dependant on circumstances you will still be able to drive to and from work, or you can pay a fortune for a toy like Noddy car called a VSP (voiture sans permis) and be free to drive anywhere, these are also driven by 14 year olds and people who are incapable of passing a driving test hence the name.

 

The indignity of being seen driving a VSP and the frequency with which inebriated merry makers turn them upside down uring the night is probably the biggest deterrent to losing your license!

 

Another very good ting they do is that for serial drink drive récidivistes the courts can order that they must undergo medical examinations to prove that they are completely tee-total over several months before they are allowed back on the road and they have to continue with regular testing.

 

Insurers are not allowed by law to load a premium by more than 100% for any reason and that includes for a young inexperienced new driver who has just passed their test, so the insurance policy for your 18 year old son/daughter driving an identical car to you can not be more than double what yours is and will most likely be less than that, you will/may of course have a reduction for your no claims history.

 

Your drunken jailbird car thief neighbour's car insurance when his ban has ended will only be double what yours is but if he gose on having accidents the majoration is cumulable so they can double it again but only to a maximum of 400% and no more by law, I suspect every young driver today in the UK who has a clean license will have an insurance premium more than 400% that of an older driver.

I diid a speed awareness course during lockdown, it was held on zoom. Better than the points and over quickly. 

One additional irritation, my son thinks he is harder to test drive cars if he has points in his licence. He managed to do 2-3 tests just before the points arrived and will bevswapping the S60 T5 for an Audi A4 40, which with a few decent extras works out cheaper than equivalent cars. 

I now realise just how harsh they are the UK with speeding.

 

I've driven in the UK  for approx 15 years and never once had a speeding fine.

 

I've lived in Germany 2 years and had 3!

 

The difference being that you don't get points. Points are only issued for major speeding and/or motoring offences.

 

For minor speeding offences it's just a fine. My last one being €15 for doing 36 in a 30 zone.

36 minutes ago, Phil-E said:

I now realise just how harsh they are the UK with speeding.

 

I've driven in the UK  for approx 15 years and never once had a speeding fine.

 

I've lived in Germany 2 years and had 3!

 

The difference being that you don't get points. Points are only issued for major speeding and/or motoring offences.

 

For minor speeding offences it's just a fine. My last one being €15 for doing 36 in a 30 zone.

 

 

In Germany doing 200 or 250 kph on the autobahn is just a trip to work whereas in the UK it could result in prison driving that fast.

 

No wonder it is not much incentive to buy are car or motorcycle than can "ton up" in the UK.

 

As ex-Department of Transport I appreciate roads have design speeds and the UK has road pollution issues but some relaxation of speed limits ie 80 mph plus 10% plus 2 mph ie genuine 90 would be nice in good conditions on certain UK motorway at certain times.   

 

Parts of Scotland now have towns and villages with an area of 40mph before you get in to and out of the 30mph area, and now more and more have a 20mph limit along the main road route in the town / High streets etc.

This is not just a 20mph limit at School Times, or like in a residential / housing estate but the main route used by all the through town traffic.

Some 20mph limits covered by Average Speed Cameras and some not.

There are also areas where it goes from a 60mph NSL down to 40, then to 20 mph then back to 40 mph and stays like that from one village until you get to the next town or village.

 

Not only these around the Borders.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-53945560

 

 

Edited 27 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

7 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

Parts of Scotland now have towns and villages with an area of 40mph before you get in to and out of the 30mph area, and now more and more have a 20mph limit along the main road route in the town / High streets etc.

This is not just a 20mph limit at School Times, or like in a residential / housing estate but the main route used by all the through town traffic.

Some 20mph limits covered by Average Speed Cameras and some not.

There are also areas where it goes from a 60mph NSL down to 40, then to 20 mph then back to 40 mph and stays like that from one village until you get to the next town or village.

 

Not only these around the Borders.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-53945560

 

 

 

Dartmoor also confusing, use to be national limits and then the made the whole moor, all 365 square miles, 40 mph with villages eve less.

Ahh the old days of maxing out across the long straight road wondering if a sheep or horse was going to run across.

Why did got make sheep fog coloured ?

 

Speeding way in non Urban areas are just distant memories, sensible I suppose.