Hello, I have a 2.0 TSI 220 hatch which came without a spare wheel.  I'm trying to establish whether I need the 18" space saver or the 16" full-size spare wheel option.  The dealers don't seem to know and the posts on here seem pretty inconclusive too.  I have the 18" alloy wheels.  Hoping to pick one up on ebay.

 

Does anyone have the same vehicle with a factory spare tell me which it came installed with?  I know the 2.0l 280 needs the 18" spacesaver becasue of the bigger disks but I'm not sure about the 220.

 

Thanks

The 220 comes with a 16" spare from factory, wearing a 205/55R16, like this....

 

 

 

Mine normally wears factory 19s.

I've recently put a full sized 19" as a spare.

compartment has enough space for full diameter tire, but not enough for full width - max 205mm

i have installed FULL Diameter Tire on 16" OEM disk -> Full Size Spare Wheel

 

 visit also this tread, there are several similar

On 21/04/2021 at 10:51, MartiniB said:

why everyone focusing on inches of disk?
while more important is what size of tire is mounted on it.

 

16" can be used even on 280/272, which have bigger brakes,
just install spare wheel on the right place - rear axle
yes, double procedure if damaged front, but it's lot safer to leave normal tire on the front axle

 

9 hours ago, MartiniB said:

compartment has enough space for full diameter tire, but not enough for full width - max 205mm

 

The actual width of a 205/55R16 tyre fitted to a 6.5J rim is about 215mm, not 205mm.

 

The actual width of a 215/60R16 tyre fitted to a 6J rim is about 215mm, and the actual width of a 215/60R16 tyre fitted to a 6.5J rim is about 221mm.

 

So try a 215/60R16 tyre fitted to a 6J rim, it should fit.

 

The width of an inflated tyre is measured from sidewall to sidewall. The width of the tyre is not the tread width, which is less than the sidewall to sidewall width.

 

PROXES T1 SPORT

The reference sports tyre.   Aspect Ratio: 30/35/40/45/50/55

	Tire Size	Tread Depth (mm)	Overall Diameter (mm)	Overall Width (mm)	Approved Rim Width Range (inch)
	205/55ZR16 94W XL	8.3	629	215	5.50-6.5-7.50

 

https://www.toyo.co.uk/tirefinder/index/width/205/aspect/55/rim/16

 

Superb MK3 16" Spare Wheel Kit (not including spare wheel)

https://www.skoda-parts.com/spare-part/3v0093860-spare-wheel-replacement-kit-skoda-33940.html

 

Alcar 9490 Steel Rim 6Jx16 ET40 5/112 57.1

 

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=180505174664549488&rimCode=ALCAR9490

 

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9490#20242538

 

The Superb MK3 220HP might have 340mm diameter front brake discs. If so, then 16" rims won't clear the front brake calipers. You can use a 16" spare on the rear and swap a 17" or bigger rear wheel to the front (as a get you home measure).

 

 

Edited 8 June, 20214 yr by Carlston

10 hours ago, JR RS said:

The 220 comes with a 16" spare from factory, wearing a 205/55R16, like this....

 

 

 

Mine normally wears factory 19s.

I've recently put a full sized 19" as a spare.

Thanks, this is good to know.  Why they don't just supply it as standard is a mystery to me!

58 minutes ago, Carlston said:

 

The actual width of a 205/55R16 tyre fitted to a 6.5J rim is about 215mm, not 205mm.

 

The actual width of a 215/60R16 tyre fitted to a 6J rim is about 215mm, and the actual width of a 215/60R16 tyre fitted to a 6.5J rim is about 221mm.

 

So try a 215/60R16 tyre fitted to a 6J rim, it should fit.

 

The width of an inflated tyre is measured from sidewall to sidewall. The width of the tyre is not the tread width, which is less than the sidewall to sidewall width.

 

PROXES T1 SPORT

The reference sports tyre.   Aspect Ratio: 30/35/40/45/50/55

	Tire Size	Tread Depth (mm)	Overall Diameter (mm)	Overall Width (mm)	Approved Rim Width Range (inch)
	205/55ZR16 94W XL	8.3	629	215	5.50-6.5-7.50

 

https://www.toyo.co.uk/tirefinder/index/width/205/aspect/55/rim/16

 

Superb MK3 16" Spare Wheel Kit (not including spare wheel)

https://www.skoda-parts.com/spare-part/3v0093860-spare-wheel-replacement-kit-skoda-33940.html

 

Alcar 9490 Steel Rim 6Jx16 ET40 5/112 57.1

 

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=180505174664549488&rimCode=ALCAR9490

 

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9490#20242538

 

The Superb MK3 220HP might have 340mm diameter front brake discs. If so, then 16" rims won't clear the front brake calipers. You can use a 16" spare on the rear and swap a 17" or bigger rear wheel to the front (as a get you home measure).

 

 

Wow, thanks for all the information. Good to know I don't need to use the skinny space saver.

4 hours ago, Carlston said:

 

The Superb MK3 220HP might have 340mm diameter front brake discs. If so, then 16" rims won't clear the front brake calipers. You can use a 16" spare on the rear and swap a 17" or bigger rear wheel to the front (as a get you home measure).

 

 

the mk3 220 does not come with 340mm disc brakes up front.

it has 312mm front disc brakes - 1ZA (PR Code).

it has 300mm rear disc brakes - 1KU (PR Code)

 

the 16" factory spare fits over the front brakes with no issues. 

Edited 9 June, 20214 yr by JR RS

9 hours ago, Carlston said:

1.

So try a 215/60R16 tyre fitted to a 6J rim, it should fit.

 

2.

The Superb MK3 220HP might have 340mm diameter front brake discs. If so, then 16" rims won't clear the front brake calipers.

 

3.

You can use a 16" spare on the rear and swap a 17" or bigger rear wheel to the front (as a get you home measure).

 

 

why confuse with that bul**it?

 

1.

-1.9% in diameter

have you read post where i wrote why OEM 205/55r16 were changed to 205/65r16?
that weren't ~80km mileage, but difference in diameter, what cancels usage of Cruise Control.

 

and i can only repeat, there is no space for wider tire -
i have added 10mm sound deadening foam under boot floor

and with 205 wide tire there is clearly visible round footprint, any wider tire will push boot floor up

 

2.
painted red

 

3.
a correct place for spare wheel
 

2 hours ago, MartiniB said:

 

and i can only repeat, there is no space for wider tire -
i have added 10mm sound deadening foam under boot floor

and with 205 wide tire there is clearly visible round footprint, any wider tire will push boot floor up

 

 

I've got a 235/40R19 tyre as spare - it has only raised the boot floor by about 2-2.5 cms, and with a 15mm thick foam underlay on the underside of boot floor carpet, it's barely noticeable with it in place. 

 

No protrusions.

14 hours ago, MartiniB said:

 

why confuse with that bul**it?

 

1.

-1.9% in diameter

have you read post where i wrote why OEM 205/55r16 were changed to 205/65r16?
that weren't ~80km mileage, but difference in diameter, what cancels usage of Cruise Control.

 

and i can only repeat, there is no space for wider tire -
i have added 10mm sound deadening foam under boot floor

and with 205 wide tire there is clearly visible round footprint, any wider tire will push boot floor up

 

2.
painted red

 

3.
a correct place for spare wheel
 

Ha it's amazing how much debate there is around which spare to use. Two dealerships have now told me to use the 18" space saver... Which of course is the more expensive of the two.

 

So are you saying 205/65r16 is the correct one?

1 hour ago, graphic said:

Ha it's amazing how much debate there is around which spare to use. Two dealerships have now told me to use the 18" space saver... Which of course is the more expensive of the two.

 

So are you saying 205/65r16 is the correct one?

 

Ah geez......I should probably speak in a language other than English!

 

As I previously mentioned - from factory, if optioned, the 220 comes with a 16" rim, wearing 205/55R16 tyres. 1G4 is the PR code.

 

If u want to match rotational speeds with a 16/17/18 rim - then u can continue reading the debates.........

Edited 9 June, 20214 yr by JR RS

2 hours ago, graphic said:

Ha it's amazing how much debate there is around which spare to use. Two dealerships have now told me to use the 18" space saver... Which of course is the more expensive of the two.

 

So are you saying 205/65r16 is the correct one?

 

205/65R16 is not the correct one for the Superb MK3.

 

The outside diameter of 205/65R16 is about 1.3% bigger than the standard 215/60R16.

 

The actual widths of the above two tyre sizes varies depending on the widths of the rims that they are fitted to.

 

Shown below is a 205/65R16 fitted to a 6J rim. Notice that the Overall Width is 209mm.

 

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	Tire Size	Tread Depth (mm)	Overall Diameter (mm)	Overall Width (mm)	Approved Rim Width Range (inch)
	205/65 R16 95V	8.6	672	209	5.5-6-7.5

 

https://www.toyo.co.uk/tirefinder/index/width/205/aspect/65/rim/16

 

However, when a 205/65R16 is fitted to a wider 6.5J rim the actual width of the inflated tyre becomes not surprisingly wider too (about 215mm wide).

 

In comparison, a 215/60R16 fitted to a 6J rim is also about 215mm wide.

 

So both a 205/65R16 fitted to a 6.5J rim and a 215/60R16 fitted to a 6J rim are both about 215mm wide, ie. about the same width.

 

If you were to fit a 215/60R16 to a much wider 7J rim, it would become about 225mm wide, ie. a 215/60R16 fitted to a 7J rim is about 10mm wider than a 205/65R16 fitted to a 6.5J rim.

 

Edited 10 June, 20214 yr by Carlston

On 10/06/2021 at 03:36, Carlston said:

205/65R16 is not the correct one for the Superb MK3.

 

The outside diameter of 205/65R16 is about 1.3% bigger than the standard 215/60R16.

What are You talking about?
why comparing to "standard" 215/60R16,
have You ever seen one Superb with that size of tires on it?

 

sorry form my, not native, short English, but what is the reason of attempt to split one hair?
few mm in tire width doesn't matter as much as huge difference of OEM spare wheels circumference

 

all what is ask from spare wheel is comfortable ~100 km to service

 

 

On 10/06/2021 at 00:43, graphic said:

1. Two dealerships have now told me to use the 18" space saver...

2. Which of course is the more expensive of the two.

 

3. So are you saying 205/65r16 is the correct one?

1. what else dealers can offer when no other sizes provided by manufacturer.

2. that isn't about price, but safety and comfort.

3. personally for me, it's optimal choice, second of several we have:

a)  same size as all other wheels

-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/493502-full-sized-tyre-as-spare/

 + can be installed on any axle
 + can be used for unlimited distances
 + no size diff = no speed limits
 + Cruise control will be available
 - boot floor will be pushed few cm up
 - most expensive

 

b) custom 205/65r16, full diameter (my choice for 220ps)
-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/442912-full-size-spare-wheel/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-5040470

 + minor width diff will provide safe driving on + 30% of speed printed on spare disc. Important note, when installed on rear axle.
 + can be used for longer distances
 + minor circumference diff will provide ability of Cruise control usage. In theory, i haven't had to test it after OEM 205/55r16 were replaced.
 + fits in it's place, doesn't change size of boot.

 - !!! doesn't fit on 272/280ps even on rear axle !!!

 

c) custom 205/60r17, full diameter (my choice for 280ps)

-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/520234-superb-mk3-spare-wheel/?do=findComment&comment=5818139

Pros are equal to b and fits on 272/280ps, which has bigger brake discs, 340/310, while all rest have 310/298 (front/rear)

 

d) OEM 205/55r16
 + lot wider than 'd' = safer than 'd', but don't think printed speed limit can be exceed more than + 10%, even when installed on rear axle.
 + fits in it's place, doesn't change size of boot
 - huge circumference difference disables usage of Cruise Control

 - huge circumference difference isn't healthy for 4x4

 

e) OEM 125/70r18
 + fits in it's place, doesn't change size of boot
 - huge width difference = absolutely unsafe, even when installed or rear axle.
 - huge circumference difference disables usage of Cruise Control

 - huge circumference difference isn't healthy for 4x4

 

 

Edited 30 June, 20241 yr by MartiniB

On 10/06/2021 at 07:37, MartiniB said:

b) custom 205/65r16
 + minor width diff will provide safe driving on + 30% of speed printed on spare disc. Important note, when installed on rear axle.
 + minor circumference diff will provide ability of Cruise control usage. In theory, i haven't had to use this spare after tire were changed.
 + fits in it's place, doesn't change size of boot.

Your logic makes sense for sure. I don't quite understand when they don't have an OEM spare where that is the same diameter as the road wheels.... Seem bonkers.  I'll have a look round and see what I can find. Hoped it was going to be a bit easier lol.

 

So far, the dealers say 18", owner report factory fit was 16" and the common sense approach is something completely different.